On 07/10/12 22:34, Roger Bamkin wrote:
Hi Gordan I thought your comment was a bit uncalled for.
Good think that I did not make.
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Have I?
Gordo
On 08/10/12 09:09, Andy Mabbett wrote:
You've obviously seen some evidence that the rest of us have not.
Perhaps it's time you shared that with us.
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On Oct 7, 2012 8:24 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
On 08/10/12 10:35, David Gerard wrote:
On 8 October 2012 09:09, Andy Mabbett pigsotw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 2012 8:24 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
It seems clear that being friends allows a group to protect an individual,
when that person (e.g. Roger Bamkin) should asked
On 08/10/12 10:39, David Gerard wrote:
Yes indeed. However, this does not constitute substantiating evidence
for your claim, as you have even quoted above. Do please try again.
Sorry David. I will not try again.
Many thanks for the offer.
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On 08/10/12 10:45, Thomas Dalton wrote:
It is clear that the board protected Roger. It is not clear that they
did so because of an overfamiliarity among the board. I think they
probably thought they were just being supportive colleagues.
Well put.
Gordo
On 08/10/12 15:52, Richard Symonds wrote:
Sue Gardner, from the WMF, is in our office today, along with a few
others (Garfield and Asaf from the WMF). She's keen to meet UK
Wikipedians for a drink - is anyone available for drinks in the Old
Street area of London this afternoon/evening? If
On 09/10/12 12:31, Richard Symonds wrote:
As far as I am aware a resignation offer has not been publicly
minuted, but that may well be because the minutes from the meeting in
question are still being drafted (and certainly haven't been approved!)
My collection was that Roger Bamkin's
On 09/10/12 11:02, Richard Symonds wrote:
Asaf is more than happy to meet anyone today or tomorrow. He's
actually really keen to do so!
OK. I will be there Wednesday afternoon.
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On 09/10/12 13:37, WereSpielChequers wrote:
But shifting the office is a bigger job, and wherever the office is we
will have spontaneous meetings taking place.
Salford?
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On 09/10/12 14:31, David Gerard wrote:
Media storms were fun when I was
the only person on hand to do telly ...
Like I said, move the offices to Salford.
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On 11/10/12 09:55, Hasina Khatun wrote:
Sorry for the late reply.
The booking has been made for the downstairs area. I will also leave a
note before I leave to the office, to call before The Penderal's Oak
meet up to make sure they are still aware of the booking.
So. downstairs room
On 09/10/12 13:36, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 09/10/12 11:02, Richard Symonds wrote:
Asaf is more than happy to meet anyone today or tomorrow. He's
actually really keen to do so!
OK. I will be there Wednesday afternoon.
Gordo
We met, we chatted.
Gordo
There is, of course, an inquiry underway on that precise question.
So everything is sub judice?
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On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote:
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP
database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with
skins will fix that.
Cheers,
Craig Franklin
I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool?
Can I
On 15/10/12 14:07, Harry Burt wrote:
Hi Gorgo,
What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The
database is usually pretty accurate.
Harry
Geo =
{city:London,country:GB,lat:51.514198,lon:-0.093100,IP:86.157.yyy.xxx,netmask:22}
Looks like that is correct then(I have
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it
works...
Huzzah!
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other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got
On 16/10/12 13:24, Thomas Dalton wrote:
It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations
within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool
which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP
is based.
Not the datacenter (first hop)?
I did
On 18/10/12 00:11, Alison M. Wheeler wrote:
Truth.
I just checked wherehttp://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org/ believes my (fixed) IP addresses
are. Truro is the response! (I'm actually just north of London). Geolocation
has been something of an interest of mine for a few years and whilst
4th Birthday bash, with cake? See
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/63
December meeting - note change of pub!
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/64
*
There has been a lot of talk about the pros and cons of Penderel's Oak,
so in December 2012, we will try
On 23/10/12 16:26, David Gerard wrote:
On 23 October 2012 16:19, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Advisory board? Why? Why not just put petrol on the flames?
A charity that is as small as Wikimedia U.K. has no need of more dimensions
of governance...
An advisory board
On 23/10/12 17:45, Thomas Dalton wrote:
What do you want to ask the charity commission? I think the guidance
is pretty clear. You just need to have it written down somewhere what
their role is and what authority they have (ie. none).
I would ask them, given the current age of the charity,
On 23/10/12 22:31, Thomas Dalton wrote:
We could have quarterly general meetings if we wanted to. We don't
need to change legal structure for that.
But stakeholder groups in CICS can be a subset of the membership, I
believe. The CIC decides at the start how to run the stakeholder function.
On 25/10/12 17:11, Jon Davies wrote:
One person has a very strong objection and since it is all public
anyway and accessible through the board minutes I responded to that
person's honest objections by withdrawing what is an incomplete document.
But, of course, the document could have been
On 25/10/12 18:59, Jon Davies wrote:
They will in any case being going back to zero and creating their own
chronology.
Jon.
Like Pol Pot?
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On 26/10/12 18:05, Paul Wilkinson wrote:
I am also a PR person and a Wikipedian (user Paul W - since 2003). I
introduced myself to David Gerrard at a CIPR/Wikipedia event during
London Social Media Week and he encouraged me to make myself known.
*Ducks down below parapet again*
David
On 30/10/12 12:02, Richard Symonds wrote:
Bear in mind that we get a massive charity discount for a lot of these
products via CTX, so cost isn't necessarily an issue.
Cost is an issue. Value for money!
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Sunday November 11th, at the Penderel's Oak.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/63
Downstairs room booked?
Cake ordered?
Wikimedia UK will be 4 years young on Monday 5th November, and this
wikimeet is the celebration!
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On 02/11/12 20:22, geni wrote:
On 2 November 2012 16:28, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
The plans have not been scrapped.
--
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However given the time so far taken there are only 3 three options:
WMUK doesn't have the ability to handle domain and software back-end
WMUK is incompetent
On 02/11/12 20:37, Thomas Morton wrote:
What I should have said is: the QRpedia code is available on Google Code
Well, yes, it would be...
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I grabbed the source, Luke...
svn checkout http://qrwp.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ qrwp-read-only
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On 02/11/12 21:09, michael west wrote:
Hi I just wanted to check the background of the Comet Group on
wikipedia. I'm on my mobile and can't edit it, but there are a few
issues regarding grammar and a few issues regarding the company
entering administration. I do realise that this list is for
Four years of Wikimedia UK!
Incorporated, 5th November, 2008.
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On 05/11/12 14:00, Stevie Benton wrote:
If contributions could be made and a final response reached by 3.30pm
on Tuesday 6 November that allows us time to make a final submission.
Departments: Department for Culture, Media and Sport
Document type:
Consultation paper
Date of publication:
A few spelling mistakes on the survey, for example:
To young
To far from where I live
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One question about was staff (or Trustees), and are they accessible /
accountable?
This is two questions. People can be very accessible. And accountable or
not!
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On 09/11/12 19:22, Katie Chan wrote:
With respect, it's simply not a case of merely appearing as
politically correct.
Indeed. Somebody should have carried out an Equality Impact Assessment
on the survey and the methods used.
I also question the fact that the first survey was tied to a
On 12/11/12 13:21, Katherine Bavage wrote:
. On the one hand, anonymity protects people when answering questions
with sensitive personal data such as income or sexuality, and may
ensure the results are more genuine.
Surely, like job applications, these can processed separately, or made
On 12/11/12 13:35, Katie Chan wrote:
Who's going to do the anonymousing? When it happens in a job
application (for a large enough company), the company (HR) still see
the data, it's just that the persons making the hiring decision doesn't.
Indeed.
Who would do it? Maybe Wikimedia UK could
I was very pleased to find this in the release notes for Mediawiki 1.20
getting the Mediawiki message out there with the huge Linux userbase.
***
We're working closely with Linux distributors to make sure that the
MediaWiki bundled in Linux is something
On 14/11/12 05:51, Doug Weller wrote:
The OTRS Quality queue is again over 200, which is pretty worrying.
Partially my fault as I haven't been doing much if any OTRS work
recently.
Doug
This is volunteer effort, so, from time to time volunteering effort can
slide (I speak from my own
On 14/11/12 12:55, Charles Matthews wrote:
Training in the UK, and the WMUK VLE, are two things in which I have a
personal involvement.
Charles
Does the WMUK VLE exist?
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On 15/11/12 12:18, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
CIPR CEO Jane Wilson added: 'I recognise that it can be a frustrating
process for any organisation with inaccurate information on the site.
'Wikipedia is working on the speed and ease with which simple factual
inaccuracies can be amended without
On 19/11/12 10:54, Katherine Bavage wrote:
At the board meeting on Saturday a valid point was made that currently
the verification process for membership applications doesn't really
prove a barrier to fraudulent or duplicate applications.
fraudulent or duplicate applications.
Isn't
On 20/11/12 09:30, Jon Davies wrote:
No but they seem nice people. IF you can spare the time I'll send you
the details.
Yes, but they put the definite article before Strand
:-)
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On 20/11/12 11:42, Thomas Morton wrote:
I suppose what we need to demonstrate is that, say 'Joe Bloggs' is a)
Is who he says he is (proof of photo ID) and b) Lives at the address
he says he does (utility bill? Electoral roll?). If people pay from a
verified paypal account the need to check
On 20/11/12 12:35, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 20 November 2012 12:30, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
This is all a bit exclusive. Widening membership should not be down PayPal
or electoral roll or having a bank account (since this would exclude people
aged 17 years old and under).
You
On 20/11/12 13:34, David Gerard wrote:
We can easily come up with all sorts of ways to make membership a
massive pain in the arse. But what was the threat model again? And
what's accepted practice - how do other UK charities deal with said
threat model?
Sounds like something for the Audit
On 20/11/12 20:12, Chris Keating wrote:
Another step some organisations take is to say that someone has to be
a member for a certain length of time before conferring voting rights
on them, though the only time I've seen this is enacted is when there
have been serious problems with people
On 22/11/12 12:05, Katherine Bavage wrote:
How do we feel about Jon's suggestion of confirming address?
Suppose a group with funds wish to influence a body. They pay for the
membership fees (and a little on the side for goodwill).
All these schemes will not uncover that scam.
Gordo
On 25/11/12 01:33, John Byrne wrote:
I'd like to announce two new finance documents, now on the WMUK wiki:
* Finance Action Plan 2012/13 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance
Action Plan 2012/13. This is our planned timetable for introducing
improvements to our financial controls and
Has any benchmarking been done on this?
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After much discussion, back to Penderel's Oak! January 13th and February
10th 2013.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/65
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/66
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On 02/01/13 02:41, michael west wrote:
Why has our
friend got a BLP on Wikipedia though?
See also http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Tompsett
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On 03/01/13 00:22, geni wrote:
On 1 January 2013 22:06, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Happy new year all!
I'll be brief: last year, the BBC put a lot of digitised paintings online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/
With massive copyright claims in the metadata.
On 15/01/13 16:12, Stevie Benton wrote:
I thought you might like to know that the Wikimedia Foundation has
today officially launched Wikivoyage, the free worldwide travel guide
that anyone can edit. It's the 12th official Wikimedia project and
it's fittingly been launched on Wikipedia's 12th
On 15/01/13 17:30, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 15/01/13 16:12, Stevie Benton wrote:
I thought you might like to know that the Wikimedia Foundation has
today officially launched Wikivoyage, the free worldwide travel guide
that anyone can edit. It's the 12th official Wikimedia project and
it's
On 15/01/13 18:35, David Gerard wrote:
On 15 January 2013 17:36, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
http://wikitravel.org/
Makes me feel a bit sick travel sickness.
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangeslimit=500
- about 15 hours. Spam, spam, chips
On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this list.
How did we get get here then?
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On 01/02/13 11:05, Richard Symonds wrote:
Not quite - I think Wales got involved
.
Jimbo?
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On 06/02/13 09:15, Jon Davies wrote:
Phone me if you want more background.
Jon
Not sure how that would add to transparency
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On 05/02/13 13:48, John Byrne wrote:
Saad of course is semi-elected as he is the runner-up in the last
election with the highest votes who still wants to be on the board.
I have taken up a position in the same way, a year after an election (it
was 2009). Hence, in a three year term, I
On 06/02/13 23:08, Andrew Turvey wrote:
That's an interesting way of putting it! However, now that the WMF has
come out against, is there any way that the WCA can fulfill its stated
aims? Furthermore, if WMUK continues to support the WCA, will this
damage the chapter's relationship with the
I got revison 5. Can we see 1 thru 4?
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On 09/02/13 20:43, Richard Symonds wrote:
No Jess - each individual is due to renew at a different time each
year, depending on when they joined. I joined on 5 December, I think:
That means that I am due for renewal on 4 December. I will get an
email just before that date.
Time to change?
On 11/02/13 17:34, Stevie Benton wrote:
If I'm available, I'll bring along my Photoshoppery skills!
I will bring GIMP skills...
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On 11/02/13 16:51, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Unremarkably, I have first-hand knowledge of some things, and not of others.
Welcome to the human race.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_arithmetic
YMMV,
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On 11/02/13 21:37, Thomas Dalton wrote:
Can you elaborate? What does interval arithmetic have to do with anything?
Donations are due at a certain date. Then there is a grace period: that
is the interval. And affects a lot of things, such as cash flow...
Gordo
On 12/02/13 14:39, John Byrne wrote:
I'd love to know of a free easy to use lossless cropping thingy.
Sounds like a project for the Google Summer of Code?
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On 15/02/13 22:07, John Vandenberg wrote:
Im not seeing full details, like the process used to identify Dawes.
Surely that will be in the Board of Trustees minutes?
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On 16/02/13 12:07, Chris Keating wrote:
Greyham responded to that, spent a bit of time getting to know the
organisation, and given his experience the Board was keen to co-opt him.
Yes, I can see why.
http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/user/18322
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On 20/02/13 11:17, Andrew Turvey wrote:
Thanks Chris Jon for providing the context.
Clearly Grayham
Grayham vs. Greyham.
cf.
Andrew Grey vs. Andrew Gray.
Confused?
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On 06/03/13 23:45, Andrew Turvey wrote:
A member-led organisation - imagine that? In simple terms, an
organisation that trusts the 5,000-strong UK Wikimedia community more
than a handful of people who currently sit on the board.
I see this as a confusion of the legal situation. I
On 07/03/13 12:14, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 7 March 2013 09:54, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
I see this as a confusion of the legal situation. I understand the
aspiration, of course.
Board - a dozen, or so..
Membership - several hundred
Community - several thousand
On 07/03/13 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 7 March 2013 12:23, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Increasing the membership has to be planned. If there were 5,000 members
overnight, it would not be good at all.
Previously I have suggested multiple levels of membership
On a slightly related note, I have just involved with new registered
charity (unincorporated). At the first monthly meeting, there was
question what happened to the old friends group. It was quite
clear that year working on application to Charity Commission and the
ramifications had
On 08/03/13 14:40, geni wrote:
Credit? I'd recommend the Affero General Public License v3
GFDL gets my vote!
:-)
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On 10/03/13 22:17, Michael Peel wrote:
qrpedia.org appears to have been renewed for a year - its expiry date is now
13-Mar-2014. Many thanks to Terence and Roger for renewing it.
All those qr codes pasted on buildings and the like with nowhere to go?
The Meaning of Liff for the 21st Century
On 12/03/13 20:10, Harry Mitchell wrote:
While I'm here, it's a good excuse to remind you that we are still accepting
talk submissions for said annual conference:
https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Talk_submissions
Care to re-confirm that URI?
Gordo
On 12/03/13 22:13, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 12/03/13 20:10, Harry Mitchell wrote:
While I'm here, it's a good excuse to remind you that we are still
accepting talk submissions for said annual conference:
https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Talk_submissions
Care to re-confirm
Seems that Wikimedia UK are the body involved in running this event
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On 18/03/13 22:47, Gordon Joly wrote:
Seems that Wikimedia UK are the body involved in running this event
Gordo
And we are all volunteers! They need 50 per day
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On 18/03/13 22:57, Katie Chan wrote:
On 18/03/2013 22:47, Gordon Joly wrote:
Seems that Wikimedia UK are the body involved in running this event
Wikimedia UK is supporting the bid, offering advice and support where
it can. The actual bid itself is led by volunteers Ed, James, Kimi
On 18/03/13 23:15, Michael Peel wrote:
The thing I'm personally worried about is that not enough WMUK volunteers are
engaging with the bid. So if you're reading this and you're not already
involved in the bid, then please involve yourself!
The bid mentions the 70,000 volunteers (Games Makers)
On 19/03/13 08:18, Chris Keating wrote:
Will Wikimedia UK be company doing the business (hiring,
contracts, publicity, registration, etc), or will a new company be
formed for the purpose?
We are looking at these kinds of details at the moment and haven't
reached a firm decision,
On 19/03/13 08:40, James Farrar wrote:
Perhaps I'm being particularly dumb this early in the morning, but I
can't actually see why these semantics matter - certainly compared
with, for example, delivering a high-quality bid.
Very high quality. And that may be an issue the Barbican,
On 19/03/13 08:44, Gordon Joly wrote:
On 19/03/13 08:40, James Farrar wrote:
Perhaps I'm being particularly dumb this early in the morning, but I
can't actually see why these semantics matter - certainly compared
with, for example, delivering a high-quality bid.
Very high quality
On 19/03/13 12:52, Richard Symonds wrote:
It's a complex set of affairs - but this is something that we'll have
to discuss in part with the WMF's financial and legal teams, once the
UK team win the bid. We're still in the first stages at the moment.
Rest assured that we will be taking
On 26/03/13 08:45, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Taking things to the logical next step, we could introduce a system of
hidden templates to resolve words with multiple meanings such as
bonnet, bolt, batter, tramp or pants. As well as transforming the
quality of machine translation of the pedia,
On 26/03/13 18:24, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 26 March 2013 13:53, Harry Burt harryab...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO the idea of translation hints embedded into Wikipedia articles is a
better one. I'm not sure it's going to be possible to construct a pitch for
as complex a project as that within a short
Was the EGM announced here, or to members via CiviCRM?
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On 03/04/13 21:43, Gordon Joly wrote:
Was the EGM announced here, or to members via CiviCRM?
Gordo
Sorry, Saturday April 13th.
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On 03/04/13 22:32, Katie Chan wrote:
On 03/04/2013 21:43, Gordon Joly wrote:
Was the EGM announced here, or to members via CiviCRM?
Members entitled to vote should have received an email notice of EGM
individually. As a member, I received an email from
fundrais...@wikimedia.org.uk on 20
On 04/04/13 08:42, Michael Peel wrote:
Indeed, the email should have come from that address, but was accidentally sent
from the fundraising address (which is easy to do accidentally from the civicrm
interface). Future emails should be coming from the membership@ address.
Thanks,
Mike
Many
On 04/04/13 08:42, Michael Peel wrote:
Andrew, could you check your spam folder please?
That is why the from/sender field is so important!!! Many addresses are
whitelisted in the MTA system I use, so sending from a different address
can lead to confusion. I also use from,cc,bcc etc to sort
I believe that quorum is about 30 people, but there are only 20 names on
the list here:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/EGM_2013
Given the importance of this agenda, can WMUK assure members that
meeting will indeed be quorate? Or is the sign up list not representative?
Gordo
On 10/04/13 08:47, Andrew Gray wrote:
I doubt WMUK can absolutely assure people of quoracy, given it's
dependent on whether those same people turn up!
Indeed. How about a reminder to members?
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On 24/04/13 23:32, i...@cymruwales.com wrote:
I think that your choice of words for the title of this email / thread
was not only very appropriate but also exceedingly timely! Diversity
is the spice of life!
Indeed, and as a charity registered in England and Wales, Wikimedia UK
has to
On 01/05/13 19:45, Fhaidel Dominguez wrote:
Hosting a Wikimania must not be an easy challange for any chapter.
Funny that I thought the bid was produced by a group of volunteers,
supported by the Chapter.
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