Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Matthews
Michael Peel wrote: Having said that, I've just looked at the original document: http://www.ofqual.gov.uk/files/2009-12-24-plagiarism-students.pdf It actually does a pretty good job at giving advice on how to use Wikipedia. It's just the Telegraph that chose the choice quote and ignored

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-07 Thread Douglas Gardner
Perhaps a quick note about Special:Cite? ...said... == ...stated..? -Original Message- Michael Peel wrote: Having said that, I've just looked at the original document: http://www.ofqual.gov.uk/files/2009-12-24-plagiarism-students.pdf It actually does a pretty good job at giving

[Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Michael Peel
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/6943325/Schoolchildren-told-to- avoid-Wikipedia.html Perhaps Ofqual are the first people we should be aiming the schools project at, to teach them how to use Wikipedia properly so they can pass that guidance on? Mike

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Michael Peel
Having said that, I've just looked at the original document: http://www.ofqual.gov.uk/files/2009-12-24-plagiarism-students.pdf It actually does a pretty good job at giving advice on how to use Wikipedia. It's just the Telegraph that chose the choice quote and ignored the advice. ;-) It even

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/6 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Thomas Dalton wrote: We should issue a statement supporting the Ofqual report and correcting the Telegraph article: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Ofqual_report See the Wikipedia guide for teachers thread from 6

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread George D. Watson
Charles Matthews wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: We should issue a statement supporting the Ofqual report and correcting the Telegraph article: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Ofqual_report See the Wikipedia guide for teachers thread from 6 December for some online refs I

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Charles Matthews
Thomas Dalton wrote: I agree - my first draft starts off talking about how we support the Ofqual guidance and just mentions the Telegraph at the end. The former part should be expanded. The Ofqual issuing this guidance is newsworthy, as evidenced by the Telegraph writing about it, so we

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/6 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Thomas Dalton wrote: I agree - my first draft starts off talking about how we support the Ofqual guidance and just mentions the Telegraph at the end. The former part should be expanded. The Ofqual issuing this guidance is newsworthy,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/6 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Thomas Dalton wrote: My draft includes a link to such a guide on Wikipedia - do we need to write another one? Yes, to address the British teaching profession [[Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia]] isn't really the concise guide

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ■ you can find a pre-checked Wikipedia collection of 5,500 articles targeted around the national curriculum at http://schools-wikipedia.org. Wow! I've been volunteering on Wikipedia since 2004, during some periods

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Douglas Gardner
It might be worth mentioning simple.wikipedia.org? 2010/1/6 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Thomas Dalton wrote: My draft includes a link to such a guide on Wikipedia - do we need to write another one? Yes, to address the British teaching profession

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/7 Douglas Gardner microchi...@btinternet.com: It might be worth mentioning simple.wikipedia.org? Probably not. Simple is good for people just learning English (either non-native speakers or young children) and I don't think the Ofqual guidance is really aimed at them. We should keep an

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread Brian McNeil
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 01:21 +, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2010/1/7 Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ■ you can find a pre-checked Wikipedia collection of 5,500 articles targeted around the national curriculum at

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia - Telegraph

2010-01-06 Thread geni
2010/1/7 Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org: There is always the suspicion that those, such as the Telegraph, who might fear this change to a more critically thinking populace will dismiss and condemn it. Then again, I, personally, highly value critical thinking and a more long-term