Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
2009/3/21 AndrewRT : > Don't worry - it's being followed up! Good stuff - please say so next time! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
Don't worry - it's being followed up! On Mar 20, 11:38 pm, Thomas Dalton wrote: > BUMP! > > This seems to have been missed by the board - any comments? > > 2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick : > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at > > the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the > > BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or > > plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a > > national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge > > source on the net. > > > There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe > > contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting > > content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social > > Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia > > and other open media sources. > > > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an > > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we > > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is > > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? > > > Steve > > > Some relevant blog posts here: > >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/the-bbc-should-engage-w > > ith-wikipedia/ > >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/12/more-on-the-bbc-and-wik > > ipedia/ > >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2008/11/14/matt-mcdonnell-and-sear > > ch-as-a-gateway-to-the-bbc/ > > > -- > > Editor, BBC Radio 4 Bloghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4 > > 07768 257 570 > > > ___ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK:http://uk.wikimedia.org > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.orghttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK:http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
2009/3/20 geni : > People trying to manage their relationship with wikipedia is the kind > of thing that gets wikipedians paranoid. People trying to manage what Wikipedia says about them gets us paranoid, I don't think that is what is meant here. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick : > Hi everyone, > > This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at > the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the > BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or > plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a > national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge > source on the net. Does it include anyone who knows about the dirac codec? Medium term that is something wikipedia is going to be looking to use. > There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe > contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting > content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social > Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia > and other open media sources. People trying to manage their relationship with wikipedia is the kind of thing that gets wikipedians paranoid. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
BUMP! This seems to have been missed by the board - any comments? 2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick : > Hi everyone, > > This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at > the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the > BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or > plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a > national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge > source on the net. > > There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe > contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting > content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social > Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia > and other open media sources. > > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? > > Steve > > Some relevant blog posts here: > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/the-bbc-should-engage-w > ith-wikipedia/ > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/12/more-on-the-bbc-and-wik > ipedia/ > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2008/11/14/matt-mcdonnell-and-sear > ch-as-a-gateway-to-the-bbc/ > > -- > Editor, BBC Radio 4 Blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4 > 07768 257 570 > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
Concur. Something like this could bring benefits all round. - Chris On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick : > > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an > > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we > > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is > > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? > > It's not my decision, but I would very much support the BBC giving a > presentation at the AGM. There has been talk of trying to find someone > to give a talk in order to break up the monotony of the official > business we need to get through, and I think someone from the BBC > could fill that role perfectly. A presentation from you followed by an > open floor discussion could be extremely productive. > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick : > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? It's not my decision, but I would very much support the BBC giving a presentation at the AGM. There has been talk of trying to find someone to give a talk in order to break up the monotony of the official business we need to get through, and I think someone from the BBC could fill that role perfectly. A presentation from you followed by an open floor discussion could be extremely productive. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Steve Bowbrick wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at > the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the > BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or > plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a > national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge > source on the net. > > There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe > contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting > content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social > Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia > and other open media sources. > > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? > > Steve > > Some relevant blog posts here: > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/the-bbc-should-engage-w > ith-wikipedia/ > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/12/more-on-the-bbc-and-wik > ipedia/ > http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2008/11/14/matt-mcdonnell-and-sear > ch-as-a-gateway-to-the-bbc/ > > -- > Editor, BBC Radio 4 Blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4 > 07768 257 570 > > Hi Steve et all, Speaking as a member of Wikimedia UK, I think this would be a fantastic contribution to the AGM and a great start to what can hopefully be a prosperous and fulfilling relationship between the two parties, both for Wikimedia UK's activities and the Wikimedia's activities as a whole. -- -- Paul "skenmy" Williams -- p...@skenmy.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought
Hi everyone, This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge source on the net. There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia and other open media sources. Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with? Steve Some relevant blog posts here: http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/the-bbc-should-engage-w ith-wikipedia/ http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/12/more-on-the-bbc-and-wik ipedia/ http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2008/11/14/matt-mcdonnell-and-sear ch-as-a-gateway-to-the-bbc/ -- Editor, BBC Radio 4 Blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4 07768 257 570 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
At 23:13 + 12/3/09, David Gerard wrote: >2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : >> At 22:17 + 12/3/09, David Gerard wrote: >>>2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : > And was anybody asking the BBC about the use of Open Standards? > >>>The main problem in the discussions I had was there wasn't a whole lot >>>we could do for each other, except convince the BBC to release >>>something - ANYTHING - under a proper free licence. This was almost >>>impossible, for various obvious and stupid reasons. > >> Reasons such as this? >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/licence/full_licence.shtml > > >Nothing so specific. The main problem was that no-one could work out >how to get an actual free content license past the lawyers. We're >talking about an industry where CC by-nc-nd counts as radical >openness. > >"Please release just ONE GODDAMN IMAGE." >"I'll take it to the lawyers, but I don't think they'll like it ..." > > >- d. > >___ And "Desert Island Discs"? Any chance? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : > At 22:17 + 12/3/09, David Gerard wrote: >>2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : >>> And was anybody asking the BBC about the use of Open Standards? >>The main problem in the discussions I had was there wasn't a whole lot >>we could do for each other, except convince the BBC to release >>something - ANYTHING - under a proper free licence. This was almost >>impossible, for various obvious and stupid reasons. > Reasons such as this? > http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/licence/full_licence.shtml Nothing so specific. The main problem was that no-one could work out how to get an actual free content license past the lawyers. We're talking about an industry where CC by-nc-nd counts as radical openness. "Please release just ONE GODDAMN IMAGE." "I'll take it to the lawyers, but I don't think they'll like it ..." - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
At 22:17 + 12/3/09, David Gerard wrote: >2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : > >> And was anybody asking the BBC about the use of Open Standards? > > >The main problem in the discussions I had was there wasn't a whole lot >we could do for each other, except convince the BBC to release >something - ANYTHING - under a proper free licence. This was almost >impossible, for various obvious and stupid reasons. > >- d. Reasons such as this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/licence/full_licence.shtml Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
2009/3/12 Gordon Joly : > And was anybody asking the BBC about the use of Open Standards? The main problem in the discussions I had was there wasn't a whole lot we could do for each other, except convince the BBC to release something - ANYTHING - under a proper free licence. This was almost impossible, for various obvious and stupid reasons. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
At 18:24 + 12/3/09, Alison Wheeler wrote: >On Thu, March 12, 2009 13:54, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> That does sound like something the chapter would be good for - someone >> should send them a keep email and see if they are open to discussions. > >WMUKv1 had a number of discussions about joint working with the BBC on a >number of projects. > >Alison > And was anybody asking the BBC about the use of Open Standards? Gordon -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
On Thu, March 12, 2009 13:54, Thomas Dalton wrote: > That does sound like something the chapter would be good for - someone > should send them a keep email and see if they are open to discussions. WMUKv1 had a number of discussions about joint working with the BBC on a number of projects. Alison ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
Certainly, this could be highly beneficial. - Chris On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/3/12 Mark (Markie) : > > This blog post > > ( > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/03/interesting_stuff_an_open_bbc.html > ) > > and picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37996583...@n01/3345242414/) > from > > a BBC event seem very interesting and promising! Maybe we should > consider > > contacting them, as a chapter, to see if there is anything we can start > to > > do together. The picture shows that they seem to want to encourage their > > experts to contribute and forming a Wikipedia club, also licensing BBC > > content for Wikipedia so to me it sounds like something that we should be > > following up on and offering as much assistance as possible both on the > > individual level but more importantly as a chapter. > > That does sound like something the chapter would be good for - someone > should send them a keep email and see if they are open to discussions. > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
2009/3/12 Mark (Markie) : > This blog post > (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/03/interesting_stuff_an_open_bbc.html) > and picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37996583...@n01/3345242414/) from > a BBC event seem very interesting and promising! Maybe we should consider > contacting them, as a chapter, to see if there is anything we can start to > do together. The picture shows that they seem to want to encourage their > experts to contribute and forming a Wikipedia club, also licensing BBC > content for Wikipedia so to me it sounds like something that we should be > following up on and offering as much assistance as possible both on the > individual level but more importantly as a chapter. That does sound like something the chapter would be good for - someone should send them a keep email and see if they are open to discussions. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia
This blog post ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/03/interesting_stuff_an_open_bbc.html) and picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37996583...@n01/3345242414/) from a BBC event seem very interesting and promising! Maybe we should consider contacting them, as a chapter, to see if there is anything we can start to do together. The picture shows that they seem to want to encourage their experts to contribute and forming a Wikipedia club, also licensing BBC content for Wikipedia so to me it sounds like something that we should be following up on and offering as much assistance as possible both on the individual level but more importantly as a chapter. Thoughts? Regards Mark ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
