Ronnie, thanks for your comments. It's interesting to learn that you've chosen
to publish modern versions of older texts on Wikisource. It would be nice to
hear from a variety of our many dozens of languages as to how they handle these
issues, so that our various projects can be aware of what ea
On 2012-08-19 08:25, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
Just so people can get a better idea of what we are dealing with at
Hebrew Wikisource, I would like to radically build upon Sébastien's
example. Imagine a literature which until a century ago was mostly
published in a fashion that lacked not just some upd
Dovi wrote:
"Just so people can get a better idea of what we are dealing with at Hebrew
Wikisource, I would like to radically build upon Sébastien's example. Imagine a
literature which until a century ago was mostly published in a fashion that
lacked not just some updated spelling, but far more:
Birgitte wrotw:
>"despite our experimentation the only WP type edit wars I can remember were a
>few over stylistic issues and one translation"
Birgitte, thanks for the information. In other words, at Hebrew Wikisource
which is a smaller (but active) wiki, there has never once been an edit war
Le Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:51:42 +0200, Marc Galli a
écrit:
Le 17/08/2012 12:57, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
I would also think that these critical editions would be for just few
texts, compared to the thousand of printed texts Wikisource
provides. And, of you think about, "neutrality" does not exis
The funny thing to me is the universality of the reaction "we don't do this in my
community, therefore it must be a big mistake." I don't at all think this is
intentional but your arguments here could be used to support an equal strength conclusion
about things fr.WS *does* do.
Well, I don'
Le 17/08/2012 12:57, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
I would also think that these critical editions would be for just few
texts, compared to the thousand of printed texts Wikisource
provides. And, of you think about, "neutrality" does not exists
neither in our proofreading work, there is always interp
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Marc Galli wrote:
>> 2. It's important to emphasize that what I was writing about wasn't
>> something theoretical, but something that has already been happening for
>> years at Hebrew Wikisource. We have been doing both critical editions and
>> scholarly editin
My 2 cents.
I think that Wikisource communities could decide to *try* implementing
"critical editions" of texts.
I would think it is better to have a proper namespace for that, or at least
a clear template which warns users about the collaborative nature of the
edition.
I would also think that th
Le 17/08/2012 07:54, Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
Ah, now I understand what you meant! But why do you think the editing
guidelines will be "without reference"? Just like a Wikipedia article
can and should be based on sources, the Wikisource guidelines for
editing a text should be written by people fam
>I think you don't see the point, and it's perharps because I don't write
>English very well. As a wiki, we decide >what we can edit or not, but we can
>not decide how a edition must be made without reference. If the contributors
>>decide what is a good critical edition, then Wikisource will be
Le 16/08/2012 15:32, Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
I think we are forgetting that Wikisource is a WIKI!
>This is not the question ; as I said : who decide what is a good
critical edition ?
The community decides through collaboration and discussion.
We are a wiki.
I think you don't see the point, and
I think we are forgetting that Wikisource is a WIKI!
>This is not the question ; as I said : who decide what is a good
critical edition ?
The community decides through collaboration and discussion.
We are a wiki.
>Again, you talked about critical editions ; who decide what is a good
>edition
Le 16/08/2012 14:51, Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
>Sound to me like a big mistake. Wikisource is a source, not an editor ;
>we have not to decide what is more valuable for the public. And soon or
>later there will be wars edit.
Why is it a "big mistake" to provide valuable, useful editions of
classic
Le 16/08/2012 14:51, Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
>Sound to me like a big mistake. Wikisource is a source, not an editor ;
>we have not to decide what is more valuable for the public. And soon or
>later there will be wars edit.
Why is it a "big mistake" to provide valuable, useful editions of
classic
>Sound to me like a big mistake. Wikisource is a source, not an editor ;
>we have not to decide what is more valuable for the public. And soon or
>later there will be wars edit.
Why is it a "big mistake" to provide valuable, useful editions of classic works
to
the public under a free license?
>Sound to me like a big mistake. Wikisource is a source, not an editor ;
>we have not to decide what is more valuable for the public. And soon or
>later there will be wars edit.
Why is it a "big mistake" to provide valuable, useful editions of classic works
to
the public under a free license?
2. It's important to emphasize that what I was writing about wasn't something
theoretical, but something that has already been happening for years at Hebrew
Wikisource. We have been doing both critical editions and scholarly editing,
have had much fruitful discussion and collaboration, and neve
On 2012-08-06 15:16, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
Even if many people at English Wikisource are not currently
preoccupied with issues 1&2, wouldn't it be healthy to broaden
horizons? Imagine Wikisource creating a modern version of the Loeb
Classical Library based on collaborative work... It's wonderful t
On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
> Thanks Lars.
>
> >Your examples 1 and 2 are the combination of two printed
> >editions or variants into one digital product. That process is
> >scholarly, text-critical editing, an intellectual exercise. For
> >example, if the British and Amer
I all, I'm new into the talk, I'm a it.sorce user.
About the interesting Aubrey's onion model, I just discovered basic AJAX
tricks, they are great do change the contents of a page using data stored
into different pages and/or javascript variables (as wgUserName) and/or
preferences or gadgets.
So,
Thanks Lars.
>Your examples 1 and 2 are the combination of two printed
>editions or variants into one digital product. That process is
>scholarly, text-critical editing, an intellectual exercise. For
>example, if the British and American editions would be found
>to differ not only in spelling but
On 2012-08-06 10:40, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
*I hope all of this is clearer than my original inquiry.*
Yes, indeed. Thanks.
*Was anything discussed at Wikimedia (including Aubrey’s various
layers) that might make solutions possible for functions like these?
*
No, not that I'm aware. But I was not
Thanks for all of the kind replies. Thanks Guarav for the links, I wish there
was a clear explanation for all the elements in Aubrey’s layers. As for your
example of annotation, it is gorgeous and is obviously the result of a lot of
dedicated work.
Birgitte and Lars, maybe an example would be t
2012/8/6
> On Aug 5, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > On 03-Aug-2012, at 2:57 AM, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
> >> Hi, please forgive me in advance if my technical knowledge isn't up to
> speed and I don't entirely understand the issues.
> >>
> >> From what I've seen, th
On Aug 5, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> On 03-Aug-2012, at 2:57 AM, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
>> Hi, please forgive me in advance if my technical knowledge isn't up to speed
>> and I don't entirely understand the issues.
>>
>> From what I've seen, there is currently a
Hi everybody,
On 03-Aug-2012, at 2:57 AM, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
> Hi, please forgive me in advance if my technical knowledge isn't up to speed
> and I don't entirely understand the issues.
>
> From what I've seen, there is currently an effort to allow database functions
> for metadata about Wikiso
On 2012-08-03 10:57, Dovi Jacobs wrote:
Often there is more than one good way to format and present a single
text. In the current Wikimedia environment this forces the community
to decide on which format for any given text is the best one for
readers and users. But in a true database environmen
This wasn't discussed as far as I am aware. I don't really have a good idea
about what *isn't* possible. But as no one else had answered you, I wanted you
to at least know that the idea was not explored in the discussions I
participated in.
Birgitte SB
On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:57 AM, Dovi Jacobs
Hi, please forgive me in advance if my technical knowledge isn't up to speed
and I don't entirely understand the issues.
>From what I've seen, there is currently an effort to allow database functions
>for metadata about Wikisource texts.
That in itself is of course very cool.
My question is abo
Thank you all.
I'm constantly updating the page (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012_Wikisource_roadmap), everyone
is encourage to do so.
Candalua also suggested me that we could use this distribution list to send
message in all Wikisource village pumps:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/D
I advertised on English and started a topic on the Meta talkpage where we can
track which communities are linked.
Birgitte SB
On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Hélène Pedrosa-Masson wrote:
> Le 30 juil. 12 à 13:58, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
>
>> Hello Wikisourcerors.
>
> Hello !
>
>> It's likely t
Le 30 juil. 12 à 13:58, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
Hello Wikisourcerors.
Hello !
It's likely that many of us will be on holiday, but here there is
the page where we should stat collecting tasks
and developing the roadmap for Wikisource improvement in the next
months.
http://meta.wikimedia.o
Hello Wikisourcerors.
It's likely that many of us will be on holiday, but here there is the page
where we should stat collecting tasks
and developing the roadmap for Wikisource improvement in the next months.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012_Wikisource_roadmap
I just posted the same li
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