Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! I.e., only about a quarter of users have been ported to user_properties. Why wasn't a conversion script run here? In theory if all properties are at defaults, user shouldn't be there. The actual check should be against the blob field. Domas

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I.e., only about a quarter of users have been ported to user_properties.  Why wasn't a conversion script run here? In theory if all properties are at defaults, user shouldn't be there. The actual check should be

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Domas Mituzas
That's what he did. Read the query. ;-) thats what happens when email gets ahead of coffee. Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The big problem with upgrading MediaWiki is the upgrading of extensions. It is not documented anywhere if extensions will work with a specific release of MediaWiki. Being able to install extensions is a great thing when you know upfront that the extensions you are interested in will actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question about oldest Wikipedia dump available for different Wikipedias

2010-08-02 Thread paolo massa
Yep, thanks to your email, I realized a mini dump extracted randomly is enough for my purposes. Thanks Ilmari! P. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net wrote: On 07/20/2010 09:51 AM, paolo massa wrote: Thanks Gregor and yes, you are right. I didn't think about

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Tei
On 28 July 2010 21:13, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Seems to me playing the role of the average dumb user, that en.wikipedia.org is one of the rather slow websites of the many websites I browse. No matter what browser, it takes more seconds from the time I click on a link to the time when the

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Oldak Quill
On 2 August 2010 12:13, Oldak Quill oldakqu...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2010 20:13,  jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Seems to me playing the role of the average dumb user, that en.wikipedia.org is one of the rather slow websites of the many websites I browse. No matter what browser, it takes

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/2 Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com: Maybe a theme can get the individual icons that the theme use, and combine it all in a single png file. This technique is called spriting, and the single combined image file is called a sprite. We've done this with e.g. the enhanced toolbar buttons, but it

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Lane, Ryan
We branch and tag extensions along with versions of MediaWiki, so the code found at http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_15_5/extensions/ is supposed to work with MW 1.15.5. However, this assumes that the trunk version of each extension worked with the trunk version of MW at

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Lane, Ryan
I've been looking at how WP works here and concluded this is basically not documented at all (from a developers perspective). On the WP IRC nobody seems to know anything about it, and my looking through the code itself has gotten me few insights into how updates and installation is

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Jacopo Corbetta
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 06:35, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: However, the statistics presented by Qualys show that an alarming number of people are running versions of MediaWiki older than 1.14.1, which was the most recent fix for an XSS vulnerability exploitable without special

Re: [Wikitech-l] What is exactly needed for setting up a new language edition of WM project?

2010-08-02 Thread Casey Brown
(CCing Rob and Jens who've traditionally been the major wiki creators and also Roan, who helps out a lot. :-)) On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Please, tell me which data you need for setting up a project? According to my information, data are: * language

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Max Semenik
On 02.08.2010, 18:01 Jacopo wrote: My gut feeling is that the preference for 1.12 is simply due to its inclusion in Debian stable [1]. The maintainer seems to be actively backporting security fixes [2], so while I agree that these versions may enjoy less community support, they should not be

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: The resourceloader branch contains work in progress on aggressively combining and minifying JavaScript and CSS. The mapping of one resource = one file will be preserved, but the mapping of one resource = one REQUEST

Re: [Wikitech-l] What is exactly needed for setting up a new language edition of WM project?

2010-08-02 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Please, tell me which data you need for setting up a project? According to my information, data are: * language * language code * type of project (Wikipedia, Wikinews etc.) * logo * the name of project in local language

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Tei
On 2 August 2010 15:24, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: ... Maybe the idea than resource=file must die in 2011 internet :-/ The resourceloader branch contains work in progress on aggressively combining and minifying JavaScript and CSS. The mapping of one resource = one file will be

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:50 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Does that approach gain much over HTTP pipelining? Yes, because browsers don't HTTP pipeline in practice, because transparent proxies at ISPs cause sites to break if they do that, and there's no reliable way to detect them.

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Would it not be enough to hash all extensions on the distributor side, and to check the hash sum on the client side using https for the connection? I guess this would suffice for ensuring integrity, but what about the other distribution meta-data? Where to get it from, how to manipulate it, and

[Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-02 Thread Павел Петроченко
Hi guys, At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. Unfortunately we are not sure if there is a real need/interest for having such

Re: [Wikitech-l] What is exactly needed for setting up a new language edition of WM project?

2010-08-02 Thread Milos Rancic
Casey, thanks for pointing to the previous bug request! John, thanks for the info for Wikisource! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-02 Thread Platonides
Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Would it not be enough to hash all extensions on the distributor side, and to check the hash sum on the client side using https for the connection? I guess this would suffice for ensuring integrity, but what about the other distribution meta-data? Where to get it from,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Jason A. Spiro
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:37 AM, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote: On 07/28/2010 04:57 AM, Jason Spiro wrote: I think it would be nice for both View history[1] and User contributions to show bytes added/removed.  This would make it easier to distinguish between

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone ever done usability studies of newbies -- new Internet users, experienced Internet users who are non-editors, or new editors? Yep, that's what the Usability Initiative does.  Have the study conductors

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Jason A. Spiro
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone ever done usability studies of newbies -- new Internet users, experienced Internet users who are non-editors, or new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the difference really matter so much that we must really use the more-obscure and more-technical term bytes? In English, maybe not. In a lot of languages, they'll differ by a somewhat unpredictable factor that can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
Στις 02-08-2010, ημέρα Δευ, και ώρα 17:36 -0400, ο/η Aryeh Gregor έγραψε: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the difference really matter so much that we must really use the more-obscure and more-technical term bytes? In English, maybe not. In

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On 08/03/2010 01:48 AM, Ariel T. Glenn wrote: I would love it if the indicator was in characters instead of bytes. That's more meaningful for almost every project. Readers are looking at text after all, not at raw strings. Ariel That would require introduction of another field to revision

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/2 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: That I don't know.  I don't know if descriptions of the Usability Initiative's studies are all public, or what.  Maybe one of them could fill us in. There are videos around, yes, but I'm not sure we have reports. Digging around on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Developing true WISIWYG editor for media wiki

2010-08-02 Thread Platonides
Павел Петроченко wrote: Hi guys, At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. Unfortunately we are not sure if there is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: That would require introduction of another field to revision table, since byte count is not convertible to characher count in UTF-8. No, we'd just have to repurpose rev_len to mean characters instead of bytes, and update

[Wikitech-l] About moving (was: Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions)

2010-08-02 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2010/8/2 Aryeh Gregor: That I don't know. I don't know if descriptions of the Usability Initiative's studies are all public, or what. Maybe one of them could fill us in. There are videos around, yes, but I'm not sure we have reports. Digging around on usabilitywiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Debian packages (was MediaWiki version statistics)

2010-08-02 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lane, Ryan ryan.l...@ocean.navo.navy.mil wrote: Please Debian, keep your version of MediaWiki up to date at least to the oldest stable release, and please send your fixes upstream when you find unfixed bugs. I am not a Debian developer, and I agree that sending

Re: [Wikitech-l] Debian packages (was MediaWiki version statistics)

2010-08-02 Thread Edward Z. Yang
Excerpts from Carl (CBM)'s message of Mon Aug 02 19:06:42 -0400 2010: I am not a Debian developer, and I agree that sending fixes upstream is good. But surely you're aware that the whole point of Debian stable is that it does ***not*** change to newer versions of programs after release, apart

Re: [Wikitech-l] Debian packages (was MediaWiki version statistics)

2010-08-02 Thread Ryan Lane
I am not a Debian developer, and I agree that sending fixes upstream is good. But surely you're aware that the whole point of Debian stable is that it does ***not*** change to newer versions of programs after release, apart from security fixes? Debian is well known for taking the word stable

Re: [Wikitech-l] About moving (was: Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions)

2010-08-02 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/3 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: Were they asked to Make this page appear under this different name? No, they were not. As I said, the focus was editing and general site navigation, not viewing history, moving pages or a zillion other things that, while they may appear elementary to us,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Debian packages (was MediaWiki version statistics)

2010-08-02 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Are they also backporting security fixes for all extensions as well? I would assume that Debian, ideally, applies security patches for extensions they distribute themselves. Programs a user has installed outside the Debian system

Re: [Wikitech-l] Debian packages (was MediaWiki version statistics)

2010-08-02 Thread Ryan Lane
If Debian doesn't feel they should keep supported versions in their repos, maybe they shouldn't distribute MediaWiki. That is, seriously, an absurd attitude for a Mediawiki Developer to have.  It reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of Debian's stable version system. Note

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-02 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 08/01/2010 10:55 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: One easy hack to reduce this problem is just to only provide a few options for stub threshold, as we do with thumbnail size. Although this is only useful if we cache pages with nonzero stub threshold . . . why don't we do that? Too much

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Jason A. Spiro
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the difference really matter so much that we must really use the more-obscure and more-technical term bytes? In English, maybe

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Jason A. Spiro jasonspi...@gmail.com wrote: A question for the non-English wiki contributors out there:  Do you honestly care that MediaWiki shows byte counts and not character counts?  If so, why do you care? If the count itself is useful (I don't think it is),

[Wikitech-l] chanfing main page articles from drop down. help required

2010-08-02 Thread Noman
Hi, i've installed mediawiki for a wiki project. now we have 4 sections on main page . like there are on wikipedia main page. Now as its done in wikipedia these 4 boxes are tables and update on date criteria. Now i want to do is to give some kind a navigation bar like drop down or paging. so

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: changing main page articles from drop down. help required

2010-08-02 Thread Noman
-- Forwarded message -- From: Noman nom...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM Subject: chanfing main page articles from drop down. help required To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org how ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Showing bytes added/removed in each edit in View history and User contributions

2010-08-02 Thread Liangent
On 8/3/10, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: No, we'd just have to repurpose rev_len to mean characters instead of bytes, and update all the old rows. We don't actually need the byte count for anything, do we? Byte count is used. For example in Chinese Wikipedia, one of the