Re: [Wikitech-l] Page display slowness

2010-09-08 Thread Maciej Jaros
At 2010-09-09 01:20, Lars Aronsson wrote: > For various reasons, I'm now using the Opera 10.10 browser on Linux. > With the new vector skin, trying to open an edit form takes 4 or 5 > seconds. This is not because the servers are slow, the whole is quite > fast in Firefox, but in Opera time elapse

Re: [Wikitech-l] On decentralized discussions

2010-09-08 Thread Huib Laurens
1 - 0 for Domas 2010/9/9, Domas Mituzas : > >> Why decentralized discussions even more? And is there a reason you >> always seem to spilt your replies to the thread into new treads/topics >> instead of just replying to the original one? > > > Innovation, maybe? > > Domas > > __

[Wikitech-l] On decentralized discussions

2010-09-08 Thread Domas Mituzas
> Why decentralized discussions even more? And is there a reason you > always seem to spilt your replies to the thread into new treads/topics > instead of just replying to the original one? Innovation, maybe? Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitec

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread K. Peachey
Why decentralized discussions even more? And is there a reason you always seem to spilt your replies to the thread into new treads/topics instead of just replying to the original one? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lis

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 9/8/10 5:35 PM, Chad wrote: > I think the point was not about hardware, but the OPs > inability to include a single linebreak in the e-mail. I need an open source irony detector. -- Neil Kandalgaonkar ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lis

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Chad
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > On 9/8/10 2:26 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> ... there would now be open source hardware >> >> Do you need open source "Enter" key? > > Open source hardware isn't an inherent absurdity... it usually means > that the hard

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Chad
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:28 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 September 2010 01:25, Chad wrote: > >> Just like wikitext-l, a specialized list :) > > > Careful there, wikitext-l may have come up with something slightly > useful. You never know what might breed in such a swamp. > When it's even remot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 9/8/10 2:26 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Hi! > >> ... there would now be open source hardware > > Do you need open source "Enter" key? Open source hardware isn't an inherent absurdity... it usually means that the hardware designs or other precursors (such as code that can generate circ

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread David Gerard
On 9 September 2010 01:25, Chad wrote: > Just like wikitext-l, a specialized list :) Careful there, wikitext-l may have come up with something slightly useful. You never know what might breed in such a swamp. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikite

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Chad
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Hi! > >> I created a yahoo group > > Why not Facebook Page?!!? > > Domas > Or a new mailing list! Just like wikitext-l, a specialized list :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > I created a yahoo group Why not Facebook Page?!!? Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Jamie Morken
Hi, I created a yahoo group for people interested in continuing the discussion on "Community vs. centralized development" as well as up to date wiki backups.  Please join if you want to help to keep the Wikimedia foundation part of the community or just like chatting about it!  Here is the grou

[Wikitech-l] Page display slowness

2010-09-08 Thread Lars Aronsson
For various reasons, I'm now using the Opera 10.10 browser on Linux. With the new vector skin, trying to open an edit form takes 4 or 5 seconds. This is not because the servers are slow, the whole is quite fast in Firefox, but in Opera time elapses while executing the JavaScript that adds the toolb

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Alex
On 9/8/2010 1:45 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > On 9/7/10 11:23 PM, Robert Leverington wrote: >> This may well be true for the community in general, but this discussion >> is specifically about the volunteer developer community, which is >> clearly being left out of the loop in a large respect - otherwi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 September 2010 23:00, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I had no idea that usurping an open source project was as easy as not > providing full history back-ups and image dumps. And here I was trying > to replace all the board members with proxies from Wikia! What a waste > of time ;) Neglecting to mak

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I had no idea that usurping an open source project was as easy as not providing full history back-ups and image dumps. And here I was trying to replace all the board members with proxies from Wikia! What a waste of time ;) Ryan Kaldari On 9/8/10 2:15 PM, Jamie Morken wrote: > Hi, > > I was inv

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 September 2010 22:15, Jamie Morken wrote: > I was involved in an open source project that was usurped by one of the main > developers for the sole reason of making money, and that project continues > now to take advantage of the community to increase the profit of that > developer.  I nev

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > ... there would now be open source hardware Do you need open source "Enter" key? Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Jamie Morken
Hi, I was involved in an open source project that was usurped by one of the main developers for the sole reason of making money, and that project continues now to take advantage of the community to increase the profit of that developer.  I never would have thought such a thing was possible unti

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader, now in trunk!

2010-09-08 Thread Michael Dale
On 09/08/2010 11:25 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > It's defined on a MediaWiki: page, which is accessed by the server to > generate the Gadgets tab in Special:Preferences. There is sufficient > server-side knowledge about gadgets to implement them as modules, > although I guess we might as well save our

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader, now in trunk!

2010-09-08 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/9/8 Michael Dale : > This is of course already supported, just not in 'grouped requests'. > Open up your scripts tab on a fresh load of > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Like 24 or so of the 36 > scripts requests on commons are 'arbitrary wiki pages' requested as > javascript: > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader, now in trunk!

2010-09-08 Thread Michael Dale
On 09/08/2010 06:28 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > I don't believe we should necessarily support retrieval of arbitrary > wiki pages this way, but that's not needed for Gadgets: there's a > gadgets definition list listing all available gadgets, so Gadgets can > simply register each gadget as a module (p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 9/7/10 11:23 PM, Robert Leverington wrote: > I find > it difficult to believe that this is all the discussion that is going on, > or is everything else in face to face meetings - if so where are the > minutes and notes for these, because MediaWiki.org seems the obvious > place to put them? And

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
Well, this is probably my last post on this subject for now. I think I've made my points. Those who don't get them yet probably will continue not to get them, and those who get them but disagree probably will continue to disagree. It looks like nothing big is going to change right now, but I hop

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader, now in trunk!

2010-09-08 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/9/8 Michael Dale : > On 09/07/2010 12:19 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: >> 2010/9/7 Platonides: >> >>> I see. It would have to be a hook into the resource loader. >>> >> You don't need a hook in the server-side PHP part of the resource >> loader, as determining which modules to load on that side is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/9/7 Robert Leverington : > if so where are the > minutes and notes for these, because MediaWiki.org seems the obvious > place to put them? Indeed, there are lots of face-to-face meetings / teleconferences where minutes are currently captured on EtherPad, but I don't think these are routinely