Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 January 2013 07:56, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: at all implies that some spambots are blocked at least? Yes, but to count as successful it would have to block approximately all, I'd think. I mean, you could redefine something that doesn't block all spambots but does

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Chris Grant
Not sure about enwiki, but from my experience with hosting smaller wiki's CAPTCHA's are pretty useless (reCAPTCHA, FancyCAPTCHA, some custom ones). The spambots keep on flooding through. I've found its much more effective to just use the AbuseFilter. -- Chris

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Bawolff Bawolff
On 2013-01-21 3:56 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 07:48 +, David Gerard wrote: On 21 January 2013 05:13, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/20/2013 04:22 PM, David Gerard wrote: The MediaWiki captcha is literally worse than

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 January 2013 08:43, Bawolff Bawolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Does http://elie.im/publication/text-based-captcha-strengths-and-weaknessescount as evidence? (Copied and pasted from the mailing list archives) 404 :-) Correct link:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Disable module mediawiki.searchSuggest in MW 1.20+

2013-01-21 Thread Robert Vogel
Hi Krinkle! Thanks for the clarification! mediawiki.searchSuggest does NOT use jquery.ui.autocomplete. Yes, I know. I never said anything like this. Maybe this was a misunderstanding. I said I wanted to replace mediawiki.searchSuggest with my own implementation _based on_

[Wikitech-l] Adding h2s to the TOC

2013-01-21 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, I have a custom action in which I construct HTML to display by rendering some user provided wikitext and some grammatically build chunks of HTML. It looks like this: $html = 'some html'; $html .= $this-getOutput()-parse( 'wiki text' ); $html .= 'more html'; $html .= 'even more html';

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problem to get an article's content in MW 1.20.2

2013-01-21 Thread Andreas Plank
Hi, thanks for your suggestions, at the end I found it :-) It was a closed data base connection, that prevented Title::newFrom...-methods to get articleId etc. --- the eval part --- $dbReadOnly2 = wfGetDB(DB_SLAVE); # do some stuff $dbReadOnly2-close(); # use another method that needs data base

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2013

2013-01-21 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Sébastien Santoro dereck...@espace-win.org wrote: I concur and offer to document that. Something like this text could be used in this purpose. == Tips == === Push to Gerrit to show your code. In code review we trust. === MediaWiki uses a continuous

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
And to be more explicit, quoting the paper in case someone really has doubts: «we deem a captcha scheme broken when the attacker is able to reach a precision of at least 1%». With our FancyCaptcha we are/were at 25 % precision for attackers, so yes, it's officially broken, and it's been so

[Wikitech-l] creating the context-aware sidebar

2013-01-21 Thread Yury Katkov
Hi guys! I'm searching the good sidebar extension for MediaWiki project, can anyone recommend something nice? I've tried SidebarEx, NavBlocks, CustomSidebar Requirements: 1) Full MediaWiki markup support; 2) show different content for different groups of users; 3) show different content for

[Wikitech-l] talk about MediaWiki groups in Berlin

2013-01-21 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya :) On the 4th of February Quim will be at the Wikimedia Germany office to introduce MediaWiki groups. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups for more info about the groups. We'll meet at 18:30 in the office in Obentrautstr. 72, Berlin. Quim will talk and answer questions for about 1 hour

Re: [Wikitech-l] creating the context-aware sidebar

2013-01-21 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys! I'm searching the good sidebar extension for MediaWiki project, can anyone recommend something nice? I've tried SidebarEx, NavBlocks, CustomSidebar https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicSidebar

[Wikitech-l] New 1.20.2 install didn't prompt for license or private mode

2013-01-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
Is that stuff supposed to go after one chooses no, ask me more questions? Cause I was not asked *any* more questions. On a related story: if I give the installer a table prefix for which the tables already exist, what will it do? I have 3 wikis in the same DB, and I therefore cannot simply drop

[Wikitech-l] On code review

2013-01-21 Thread Ori Livneh
There's a useful blog post on code review at Mozilla by Mozilla developer David Humphrey on his blog: http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1569. I like his breakdown of different types of code reviews. It seems like at Mozilla there is a lot of room for the patch submitter to indicate to reviewers what

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, you could redefine something that doesn't block all spambots but does hamper a significant proportion of humans as successful, but it would be a redefinition. It's not a definition, it's a judgment. And whether or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Bawolff Bawolff
Given that there are algorithms that can solve our captcha presumably they are mostly preventing the lazy and those that don't have enough knowledge to use those algorithims. I would guess that text on an image without any blurring or manipulation would be just as hard for those sorts of people to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 01/21/2013 03:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 21 January 2013 07:56, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: at all implies that some spambots are blocked at least? Yes, but to count as successful it would have to block approximately all, I'd think. That's dubious. Blocking all

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-01-21 Thread Quim Gil
This call is equally valid to MediaWiki / Wikimedia tech contributors: Original Message Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:03:47 +0800 From: Simon Shek simon.s...@wikimedia.hk Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikitech-l] Disable module mediawiki.searchSuggest in MW 1.20+

2013-01-21 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 21.01.2013 09:48, schrieb Robert Vogel: Hi Krinkle! Thanks for the clarification! mediawiki.searchSuggest does NOT use jquery.ui.autocomplete. Yes, I know. I never said anything like this. Maybe this was a misunderstanding. I said I wanted to replace mediawiki.searchSuggest with my

Re: [Wikitech-l] Html comments into raw wiki code: can they be wrapped into parsed html?

2013-01-21 Thread Alex Brollo
I tried to build a template which wraps template parameters into data- attributes. First results have been incouraging, then I find something logical but unexpected, crushing the whole idea. I wrote into the code of an infobox-like template something like this: span data-author={{{author}}}

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-21 Thread David Gerard
On 22 January 2013 04:28, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 01/21/2013 03:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: Yes, but to count as successful it would have to block approximately all, I'd think. That's dubious. Blocking all spambots is not the goal of any CAPTCHA. The goal is to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Disable module mediawiki.searchSuggest in MW 1.20+

2013-01-21 Thread Robert Vogel
Hi Thomas, thanks for sharing your experiences. The issues you mention can truly be problematic. I will keep them in mind. But for my use case jquery.ui.autocomplete does work quite well. [...] and my advice for MediaWiki is, _not_ to go this way. I don't think there were considerations