MZMcBride wrote:
You'd have to ask Lee, I suppose. I think he's still around.
https://github.com/lcrocker/OneJoker
It seems Lee is alive and well and still waiving his rights. :-)
MZMcBride
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On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 12:47 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 09:25 +0100, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) wrote:
Does this report contain any data that can actually be trusted? Is anyone
getting anything useful out of this report?
Again thanks Siebrand for bringing up how confusing
On 05/03/13 21:55, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
If it does turn out we legally *need* more license
preservation/disclosure, we should add more license preservation.
Getting a special get out of jail free card for WMF only is not
acceptable. Our sites run free software, software that anyone can
On 06/03/13 13:24, Platonides wrote:
I just checked and there are 73 authors of the resources of MediaWiki
core. More than I expected, but not unworkable. We could relicense our
css and javascript as MIT, MPL, GPL-with-explicit-exception...
I was going to provide the full list:
$ git log
- Original Message -
From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com
Minification is a WMF cluster issue, not a MW software issue, is it
not?
Mediawiki minifies things regardless of if its being run by the WMF or
somebody else.
Ah; thanks. Have not looked at internals lately. Since
- Original Message -
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
People will say any spurious bollocks
What's the license on that observation, David? :-)
Cheers,
-- jr 'I wanna steal that' a
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Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com
Designer
- Original Message -
From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com
The Open Source Initiative doesn't seem to really like the idea:
http://opensource.org/faq#cc-zero.
A number of former and current contributors (notably Lee Daniel Crocker)
have released their creative works and inventions
- Original Message -
From: Chris Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com
This is based on a flawed reading of the GPL. The GPL covers the
distribution of program code. The license specifically states that “The act
of running the Program is not restricted”. (Furthermore: “Activities other
than
- Original Message -
From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com
Regarding GPL requisites, it seems clear that minified javascript is
“object code” [1], which we can convey per section 6d [2], which is
already possible if you know how the RL works, although we should
probably provide those
The need for minification suggest that maybe the web needs a bytecode
format for css / javascript / xml, one designed to save space.
I know text is the tradition in unix, but anyway.
--
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ℱin del ℳensaje.
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On 03/06/2013 07:30 AM, Platonides wrote:
On 06/03/13 13:24, Platonides wrote:
I just checked and there are 73 authors of the resources of MediaWiki
core. More than I expected, but not unworkable. We could relicense our
css and javascript as MIT, MPL, GPL-with-explicit-exception...
I was
-- Forwarded message --
From: Anshul Sharma anshul@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Subject: [fedora-india] Invitation to JDevDay
To: csejmi2...@googlegroups.com, csejmi2...@googlegroup.com,
jmimechani...@gmail.com, p...@sarai.net, flossto...@sarai.net,
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ryan and I have discussed this a few times, and we're both eager to
flip the switch. Ops (and my own platform team) have been swamped this
week with big meetings, but ever since the last sites were upgraded to
wmf10 on
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote:
Merged by Chris yesterday. \o/
I spoke too soon, of course. Relevant bug:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39380
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On 03/05/2013 10:50 PM, Krinkle wrote:
Considering the global aspect it may be more useful (and flexible) to
enforce this from the global script instead of from local preferences, which
are rather annoying to maintain imho.
if ( dbname == wikidatawiki || .. ) {
return;
Good point.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Kevin Israel pleasest...@live.com wrote:
On 03/06/2013 07:30 AM, Platonides wrote:
On 06/03/13 13:24, Platonides wrote:
I just checked and there are 73 authors of the resources of MediaWiki
core. More than I expected, but not unworkable. We could relicense
- Original Message -
From: Jack Phoenix j...@countervandalism.net
Let me just state this for the record: I find copyright paranoia and
associated acts, such as this very thread with 59 (and counting!)
messages absurd, ridiculous and a complete waste of time.
We note that you have
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jack Phoenix j...@countervandalism.net
Let me just state this for the record: I find copyright paranoia and
associated acts, such as this very thread with 59 (and counting!)
messages
On 6 March 2013 15:20, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
People will say any spurious bollocks
What's the license on that observation, David? :-)
WTFPL of course!
- d.
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I don't see how the copyright of MediaWiki's code is bike-shedding at all.
As a volunteer, I'd like to be damn sure MW is actually an open source
project.
There's a reason copyright licenses exist, and it's to provide freedom for
developers and users. If MW were completely licensed under the
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how the copyright of MediaWiki's code is bike-shedding at all.
As a volunteer, I'd like to be damn sure MW is actually an open source
project.
There's a reason copyright licenses exist, and it's to provide
Non-lawyers arguing over how to interpret licenses, uses, and other
stuff with the minimised code doesn't prevent such screwing over either.
It is undoubtedly an open-source project; the question is the legal one
of where all things need to be attributed and cited, and at the end of
the day
Well then maybe we could just wait for a response from the counsel in this
thread rather than interpreting licenses and then complaining about it...
*--*
*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015
Major in Computer Science
www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com
Please do join us if you'd like to learn to instrument MediaWiki to log
events, access and clean/test log data, and perform simple log data
analysis.
-Sumana Harihareswara
Original Message
Subject: [Analytics] Reminder: EventLogging workshop tomorrow Thursday
3/7, 1.30-5 PT
Right now, there's two message systems, one in mediawiki.js that
basically just handles dollar-sign replacements, and an increasingly
sophisticated one in jqueryMsg that tries to emulate the server. To
make it more complicated, jqueryMsg monkey-patches mediawiki.js.
What do people think about
If you want your code merged, you need to keep your database queries
efficient. How can you tell if a query is inefficient? How do you write
efficient queries, and avoid inefficient ones? We have some resources
around:
Roan Kattouw's
On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
When you need to ask for a performance review, you can check out
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers#Other_Areas_of_Focus
which suggests Tim Starling, Asher Feldman, and Ori Livneh.
It's bit funny to see my
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote:
A short while ago I wrote a set of three PHP unit tests for Math that use
test doubles to stub out external dependencies (in this case, the
database-backed cache and the texvc executable). My intent was to demonstrate
the
Database query performance isn't the leading performance bottleneck on the
WMF cluster. If reading or writing to a database, certainly do take the
time to specifically profile your database queries, and make sure to
efficiently use caching (and avoid stampede scenarios on cache expiration)
On 03/06/2013 04:36 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
If you want your code merged, you need to keep your database queries
efficient. How can you tell if a query is inefficient? How do you write
efficient queries, and avoid inefficient ones? We have some resources
around:
Roan Kattouw's
- Original Message -
From: Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com
Jack is not alone. The amount of bikeshedding on this list has reached
truly epic proportions in the last couple of weeks...to the point where I've
started ignoring the vast majority of the list (and I've always been
an
On Thursday, March 7, 2013, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
What do people think about merging them together, keeping mediawiki.js
as the entry point? mediawiki.js already has the APIs that match the
server. They just don't work anything like the server without jqueryMsg.
Mail thread discussing
Is there some list or tool that identifies Wikipedia pages that are
slow to parse?
My interest is mainly in the context of Lua deployment. I would like
to identify non-obvious templates that may be having an appreciable
impact on performance. (As opposed to things like {{cite}}, where the
A partial answer:
I wrote a script under Pywikipedia framework to search templates with many
parser functions that are worth to convert to Lua now:
[[mw:Special:Code/pywikipedia/11099]]. I hope that it helps you to find
good targets.
The result looks like
And to make things even more interesting, now there's also
jQuery.i18n, which has similar functionality:
https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/
It's a library that provides the same message syntax and grammar /
gender / plural features, but is more portable (independent of
MediaWiki).
It's
2013/3/7 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
And to make things even more interesting, now there's also
jQuery.i18n, which has similar functionality:
https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/
Sorry,
the right URL is
https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.i18n
On Mar 7, 2013 1:06 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there some list or tool that identifies Wikipedia pages that are
slow to parse?
My interest is mainly in the context of Lua deployment. I would like
to identify non-obvious templates that may be having an appreciable
impact on
I'm pretty sure I have memories of this exact thread happening when
minification was first introduced, With counsel at the time (Mike)
weighing in on the matter.
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On 03/06/2013 10:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
It's already used for parts of the UniversalLanguageSelector
extension, to make them as portable as possible. There are no current
solid plans to make wider use of it in MediaWiki, but I'd love to see
it replace as much of our messages system as
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
Since this thread is slowly moving over to a debate as to whether it
constitutes bikeshedding or not (and people can't seem to agree on
that either), I'm going to unsubscribe to this mailing list by the end
of today (in 15 hours or so) as I get way
There's slow-parse.log, but it's private unless a solution is found for
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49678/
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logs
Nemo
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