Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshed 5: The Painter Strikes Back

2013-06-17 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 16/06/13 05:43, Brian Wolff wrote: On 6/16/13, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: It's 10 times slower than doing === null, which is a bit trivial in context, but nonetheless a fact, and it's also a bit easier to read, especially when doing the inverse (i.e., doing !is_null( ... )

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshed 5: The Painter Strikes Back

2013-06-17 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, On the colour of the bikeshed: !== generally reads better then !is_null. $foo is not null vs is not null $foo. I however object against constructing this shed in the first place. Seems like a waste of good mental effort, on which some much nicer buildings can be constructed. Cheers --

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcing the Wikimedia technical search tool

2013-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
No, DXR doesn't help the CSE. I also doubt it will help restoring full text search on our end, but we'll see. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49674 On the contrary, gitblit is more robust and faster than gitweb, so it allows crawling by search engines. It was crawled very

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Deployment Highlights - Week of June 17th

2013-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I disagree with the last three messages: the visual editor is bound to be painful when enabled; if the team has established that they're in a stage where they are done with the knowns in some areas but need more testing on the field (and feedback) to discover more, they must be allowed to,

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Deployment Highlights - Week of June 17th

2013-06-17 Thread MZMcBride
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: I disagree with the last three messages: the visual editor is bound to be painful when enabled; if the team has established that they're in a stage where they are done with the knowns in some areas but need more testing on the field (and feedback) to discover more, they

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Deployment Highlights - Week of June 17th

2013-06-17 Thread Derric Atzrott
Can you explain how to set a user preference based on the number of edits a new user has? Has the VisualEditor team set up a script to roll back (i.e., undo) this change to the user preferences of new users if this experiment doesn't work well? Personally, I think it would be a little crazy to

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Deployment Highlights - Week of June 17th

2013-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The fact that there are known issues doesn't mean that finding new, unknown issues will slow down the work on the known; it's up to the team to decide what sort and what amount of feedback they'll be able/need to process (and to adjust if they were wrong). Gradually enabling a feature is not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecating use of the style attribute (part 1)

2013-06-17 Thread Jon Robson
Thanks to Matt and Daniel for your input so far. I would really appreciate some more heads commenting/voting on this so it is possible to start building this... Thanks in advance! Jon https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM,

[Wikitech-l] Automating Main Page with Lua

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Selitskas
Turning back to the automating thing and the Main Page. I've got tired updating the Other Wikipedias section (congratulations to the Swedish Wikipedia!), so I wrote some code to automate the job. There is a bot that updates different statistics per wiki. I decided to parse the data page and push

Re: [Wikitech-l] Automating Main Page with Lua

2013-06-17 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-06-17 4:20 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com wrote: Turning back to the automating thing and the Main Page. I've got tired updating the Other Wikipedias section (congratulations to the Swedish Wikipedia!), so I wrote some code to automate the job. There is a bot that updates

[Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Updates - 2013-06-14

2013-06-17 Thread Greg Grossmeier
See the full Roadmap at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap And the diff for this last update: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Roadmapdiff=711356oldid=711338 Highlights: = Search = * With the new search engineer on board, Nik, working with Chad on search the current plan for

[Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread S Page
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/CirrusSearch This made me realize I have a poor sense of the features in search, so I read the documentation. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Searching is bare-bones, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Searching disagrees. Perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Chris McMahon
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: * enwiki says Hello dolly in quotes gives different results, mw directly contradicts this. Even on my local wiki, quotes make a difference. * enwiki disagrees with itself what a dash in front of a word does. I did some

Re: [Wikitech-l] migrating hooks doc to doxygen?

2013-06-17 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 04/06/13 18:00, Antoine Musso a écrit : Hello, Since we introduced hooks in MediaWiki, the documentation has been maintained in a flat file /docs/hooks.txt . Over the week-end I have converted the content of that file to let Doxygen recognize it. The patchset is:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Nikolas Everett
I'm not sure about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Searching but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Searching has lots of things we're going to have to add to our list. My guess is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Searching is simply out of date. Nik On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Chris

[Wikitech-l] GSoC coding starts officially today! (was Re: GSoC Mentor Summit)

2013-06-17 Thread Quim Gil
On 06/13/2013 01:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: Dear GSoC mentors: Here is a heads up about the GSoC Mentor Summit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors#GSoC_Mentor_Summit Nobody signed up? I'm sure we can fill the 2 seats only with WMF employees based in San

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Brian Wolff
Just as a note, MediaWiki default (aka crappy) search is very different from the lucene stuff used by Wikimedia. Lucene search is rather difficult to set up, so most third party wikis do not use it. --bawolff On 6/17/13, Nikolas Everett never...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm not sure about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Nikolas Everett
One of our goals while building this has been to make something reasonably easy to install by folks outside of WMF. I've added some notes about this to the page. I'd certainly love to hear ways that'd make it simpler to use. Nik On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Deployment Highlights - Week of June 17th

2013-06-17 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
Hi, The interest of the VE team is not the only one to take into account I think... The impact on the new wikipedia editors should be a more important parameter in my opinion. I tried VE a few times, and clearly think it's not yet in a situation where it could be rolled out to unexperienced

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search documentation

2013-06-17 Thread Eran Rosenthal
I think that from user perspective, such help pages are not very useful since most users don't read help pages. Some features (the important ones) should be hinted in the search form itself. In hewiki we modified the [[MediaWiki:Search-summary]][1] to include a small expandable table with hints