[Wikitech-l] Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014

2014-03-06 Thread Devender
Hi, I am a 4th year student of the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at Indian Institute of Technology( IIT), Kharagpur, India. I am good at programming in PHP, MySQL, JavaScript, jQuery, HTML, CSS, Java, C, C++ and Python. I have done all the important courses including Machine

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014 project A system for reviewing funding requests.

2014-03-06 Thread Gryllida
Hi! I think you may want to contact the mentors directly (there is several listed) and ask them for a more detailed spec on the project. Siko runs the IEG program [1] and I have forwarded your message to the Committee as well to see anyone who wants to volunteer and help you during your work

[Wikitech-l] Tutorial to edit Help Pages

2014-03-06 Thread Anjali Sharma
I wish to edit the documentation of Wikidata help pages. For that need to learn some advanced editing options like creating anchors for topics in a page. Where can I find a possible help ??? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] open positions at WMF

2014-03-06 Thread Željko Filipin
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: * automate more of the systems that help developers test new code to find bugs early (Test Infrastructure Engineer

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zürich Hackathon, hacking on what?

2014-03-06 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
I haven't read this topic carefully but I suggest we make a sprint for pywikibot issues (e.g. very important bugs or a bug triage to take care of 200 left uncategorized/unknown importance bug) I have another idea that someone have a presentation about how we can help pywikibot I don't know if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zürich Hackathon, hacking on what?

2014-03-06 Thread Strainu
2014-03-06 13:43 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: I have another idea that someone have a presentation about how we can help pywikibot I don't know if others like this idea too Amir, I won't be in Zurich, but I would love to see (and use) such a presentation. Thanks, Strainu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zürich Hackathon, hacking on what?

2014-03-06 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
I'll be there if I can get the visa in time and I love to have a presentation about it but I'm not sure others will like the idea or not Best On 3/6/14, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-06 13:43 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: I have another idea that someone have a

Re: [Wikitech-l] ogv.js - JavaScript video decoding proof of concept

2014-03-06 Thread Brion Vibber
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just an update on this weekend project, see the current demo in your browser[1] or watch a video of Theora video playing on an iPhone 5s![2] [1] https://brionv.com/misc/ogv.js/demo/ [2]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tutorial to edit Help Pages

2014-03-06 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi, On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 09:24 +, Anjali Sharma wrote: I wish to edit the documentation of Wikidata help pages. For that need to learn some advanced editing options like creating anchors for topics in a page. Where can I find a possible help ??? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki unit tests being run via HHVM!

2014-03-06 Thread Antoine Musso
Hello, I have added a job in Jenkins which runs the Mediawiki core PHPUnit test suite using the Facebook HipHop virtual machine. The job is now being run along other testing jobs. It is slightly slower (4 min 30s) than the other jobs so that would delay the reporting back to Gerrit by roughly a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tutorial to edit Help Pages

2014-03-06 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/06/2014 05:26 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 09:24 +, Anjali Sharma wrote: I wish to edit the documentation of Wikidata help pages. For that need to learn some advanced editing options like creating anchors for topics in a page. Where can I find a possible help

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zürich Hackathon, hacking on what?

2014-03-06 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/06/2014 04:04 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: I'll be there if I can get the visa in time and I love to have a presentation about it but I'm not sure others will like the idea or not The process for anybody in this situation is simple; # Create a new topic at

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki unit tests being run via HHVM!

2014-03-06 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: The job is now being run along other testing jobs. It is slightly slower (4 min 30s) than the other jobs so that would delay the reporting I back to Gerrit by roughly a minute. I have made the job to timeout after 8

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zürich Hackathon, hacking on what?

2014-03-06 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
I made this topic: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Topics#How_to_help_pywikibot I'll send a note in pywikipedia-l and discuss about how and who want to present at the Hackathon. Best On 3/6/14, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 03/06/2014 04:04 AM, Amir Ladsgroup

Re: [Wikitech-l] ogv.js - JavaScript video decoding proof of concept

2014-03-06 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
On 6 mrt. 2014, at 14:26, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Spent some time tonight on audio/video sync; it's now working both with native Web Audio API and with the Flash audio shim. Check out a video with someone talking, and marvel at the synchronization!

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-06 Thread Quim Gil
Ryan, *thank you* very much for the research, and for contacting the Liberation Sans maintainers with specific bugs. On 03/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: What do people think of the following stack: Arimo, Liberation Sans, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; After so much

[Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
Hi everybody, I cannot believe I have to say something about this, but I guess it's no surprise. Wikipedia has a notorious policy against edit warring, where users are encouraged to discuss changes and achieve consensus before blindly reverting. This applies even more so to Gerrit, since changes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: 1) not everybody is subscribed to mobile-l, so you cannot expect the original reviewers to see or know about it 2) this is an issue with MobileFrontend, not MediaWiki core 3) code being merged does not automatically cause

[Wikitech-l] Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

2014-03-06 Thread Aalekh Nigam
Hello,First of all sorry for inappropriate way of presenting the content ,nbsp;Asnbsp;advisednbsp;by community members I present my ideas regardingnbsp;Multilingual, usable and effective captchasnbsp;at my proposal page for GSOC-2014 given here

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 March 2014 20:21, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Ryan, *thank you* very much for the research, and for contacting the Liberation Sans maintainers with specific bugs. Seconded! Arguing is one thing - bothering to go out and finding out what people actually think is quite another.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Chris McMahon
In over two years at WMF I have never been involved in a discussion like this, but here goes: In this case, I think it was entirely appropriate to revert immediately and pick up the pieces later. The source of the code is immaterial, if Tim Starling or Brion Vibber had merged this we would have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: If your patch causes a serious UX regression like this, it's going to get reverted. The core patch involved was being deployed to Wikimedia sites / impacting MobileFrontEnd users today. If we had more time in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Benjamin Lees
Special:Code automatically generated a list of followup revisions for each revision (based on linking/mentioning). It would be nice to have that in Gerrit. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Wikipedia App Reboots, HTTPS, and Wikipedia Zero (was Re: [WikimediaMobile] Wikimedia Commons mobile photo uploader app updated on iOS and Android)

2014-03-06 Thread Adam Baso
Another note in case you missed it earlier. If your'e looking in general to test the Wikipedia app reboot, at the moment the Android APK can be downloaded from https://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/apps-android-wikipedia-sprint25.apkand bugs can be filed via Bugzilla. The iOS build is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: If your patch causes a serious UX regression like this, it's going to get reverted. The core patch involved was being deployed to Wikimedia

[Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)

2014-03-06 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Devender, I'm not a developer but I hope my feedback as editor is useful. On 03/06/2014 12:02 AM, Devender wrote: I want to implement a ranking system of the editors(especially 3rd party editors) of the Wikipedia through which viewers can differentiate between the content of the page.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Jon Robson
Communication in the wikiverse is hard. To clarify, this is _not_ an issue with MobileFrontend. The same problem effects users without JavaScript. There was a fundamental problem with this patch that sadly didn't get caught during code review. It broke the workflow of mobile on an important page

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: If your patch causes a serious UX regression like this, it's going to get reverted. The core patch involved was being deployed to Wikimedia

[Wikitech-l] Usability testing

2014-03-06 Thread Steven Walling
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org (Veering off topic: So what does WMF use for a usability lab, anyway?) ...not sure what Kaldari

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread George Herbert
To take a couple of steps back... This happened because testing isn't robust enough? That should be discussed and followed up on. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is there anything specific in the communications involved that you found was problematic, other than a failure to include a backlink in the initial revert? I think this entire thing was a big failure in basic software

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Ryan Lane
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I think this entire thing was a big failure in basic software development and systems administration. If MobileFrontend is so tightly coupled with the desktop login form, that is a problem with MobileFrontend. In addition,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is there anything specific in the communications involved that you found was problematic, other than a failure to include a backlink in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Tyler, I understand you're frustrated here. As Jon says: communication in the wikiverse is hard. Also, running a top 10 website is also hard. Others have covered many of the other points, but I wanted to make sure I addressed one of the points that hasn't been covered yet: On Thu, Mar 6,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability testing

2014-03-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 March 2014 23:47, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: more automated remote testing and is $35/test (this is really cheap since the going US rate for an in-person test is something like a $50 Amazon gift card). off-topic on off-topic: Offer swag instead. Wikipedia branded

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is there anything specific in the communications involved that you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Chris McMahon
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is there anything specific in the communications involved that you found was problematic, other than a failure to include a backlink in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability testing

2014-03-06 Thread Trevor Parscal
I just wanted to add that in the past, as many people know, we tried a few different kinds of testing and even hired a usability testing firm to help us. We conducted research in a lab here in SF and also did some remote testing, compensating participants with gift cards. We learned that lab

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability testing

2014-03-06 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2014 00:17, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: I believe, from lots of first-hand experience and some research on the subject, that anytime you can get at least 5 users in front of a product and run them through well written tasks you are going to reveal about 80% of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Chris Steipp
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Erik Bernhardson ebernhard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does core have any policies related to merging? The core features team has adopted a methodology(although slightly different) that we learned of from the VE team. Essentially +2 for 24 hours before a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
It seems that commenters here believe that the patch made it impossible to create an account if JavaScript was disabled, or via MobileFrontend – this is obviously not true, it just required an additional confirmation (which was by design and +1'd by five people). Please stop spreading this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=George Herbert date=2014-03-06 time=15:53:50 -0800 To take a couple of steps back... This happened because testing isn't robust enough? That should be discussed and followed up on. Ish. The suite of automatic tests caught this bug, actually. It's how the mobile team found out

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread OQ
So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did the commit get merged before the testsuite found the breakage, or did the commit get merged despite the testsuite failing? Either way sounds like When to merge a changeset needs reviewed. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Greg Grossmeier

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Chris McMahon
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did the commit get merged before the testsuite found the breakage, or did the commit get merged despite the testsuite failing? The commit was merged late Wednesday. The automated tests that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread OQ
So the testsuite only runs on merged code and not pending-merge? That sounds like a large oversight. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-06 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/06/2014 12:21 PM, Quim Gil wrote: On 03/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: What do people think of the following stack: Arimo, Liberation Sans, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; it would be useful to have a table showing which fonts are rendered by the most popular

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Chris McMahon date=2014-03-06 time=17:55:48 -0700 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did the commit get merged before the testsuite found the breakage, or did the commit get merged despite the testsuite failing?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Jon Robson
For the record this the test that alerted us to this issue was the following: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-firefox/392/testReport/junit/(root)/Create%20failure%20messages/Create_account_password_mismatch_message/ 2 problems here - tests run

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Chris McMahon
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:07 PM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So the testsuite only runs on merged code and not pending-merge? That sounds like a large oversight. Picture in your mind every branch pending merge for every extension in gerrit. Imagine how many of those branches are eventually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Jon Robson
I wonder in future if it might be practical useful for test failures like this to automatically revert changes that made them or at least submit patches to revert them that way it's clear how and when things should be reverted. On 6 Mar 2014 18:09, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder in future if it might be practical useful for test failures like this to automatically revert changes that made them or at least submit patches to revert them that way it's clear how and when things should be

[Wikitech-l] Multimedia team architecture update

2014-03-06 Thread Gergo Tisza
Hi all, the multimedia team [1] had a chat about some architectural issues with MultimediaViewer [2] today, and Robla has pointed out that we should publish such discussions on wikitech-l to make sure we do no reinvent to many wheels, so here goes. Comments pointing out all the obvious solutions

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread George Herbert
Tyler wrote: 1. Fix the extension quickly 2. Revert the change 3. Undeploy the extension until its fixed to be compatible with core So to summarize, #3 is obviously not an option. For #2, are we supposed to block core development, and let this bug persist indefinitely, because of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)

2014-03-06 Thread Benjamin Lees
Hi, Devander. Have you looked at WikiTrust[0]? It does roughly what you describe (though I don't think the live demo works anymore). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTrust ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:13 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: Based on the timing description here, it seems more like Either rush 1 or rush 2. This is also not true. Something does not have to be reverted in Gerrit in order for it to be undeployed from production. If there

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tim Starling
On 07/03/14 09:07, Chris McMahon wrote: In over two years at WMF I have never been involved in a discussion like this, but here goes: In this case, I think it was entirely appropriate to revert immediately and pick up the pieces later. The source of the code is immaterial, if Tim Starling

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Tim Starling
On 07/03/14 11:38, Greg Grossmeier wrote: The suite of automatic tests caught this bug, actually. It's how the mobile team found out about it as they got to work this morning. So the testing is quite robust. As I understand it, there was no bug, it was just a controversial design change.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 03:58, Tim Starling wrote: I would never have merged it, because it had a -1 from Steven Walling, apparently speaking on behalf of others on design-l. I think changes should be made by consensus. The changeset was the result of the discussion on the Design list. The reason Steven

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Erik Bernhardson ebernhard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does core have any policies related to merging? The core features team has adopted a methodology(although slightly different) that we learned of from the VE team. Essentially +2 for 24 hours before a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: I would never have merged it, because it had a -1 from Steven Walling, apparently speaking on behalf of others on design-l. I think changes should be made by consensus. The change also had five +1s, as noted in this thread. I find it interesting that, to you, consensus now

[Wikitech-l] OutreachProgramForWomen Aspirant

2014-03-06 Thread Nitika Verma
Hey, This is Nitika from India. I am comfortable with c/c++ , Php, Javascript,HTML and MySql. In the projects listed on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FOSS_Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_8 I am very interested in the project Book Management in Wikibooks/WikiSource (mentor :