Re: [Wikitech-l] News about stolen Internet credentials; reducing Wikimedia reliance on usernames and passwords

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Thanks for the good news about OATH. Are WMF staff required to use some form of authentication in addtion to a password for their email and other sensitive accounts? Now might be a good time to look at the security of staff account access. I would think about requiring Google's standard two

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Hi Quim, Thanks for the invitation. I did not attend Wikimania but would be interested in setting up an office hour to discuss ideas about improving features design and development, including TechCom and the roles of tech ambassadors, ECT, and ECL in features. Could we set up a time off-list?

[Wikitech-l] Fw: [Wikimedia-l] Great editor for Wikipedia infoboxes/templates connected to Wikidata

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Fowarding. Pine On Aug 9, 2014 1:58 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: User:Vlsergey from ruwiki presented yesterday at the Wikidata Meetup a new wonderful infobox editor for Wikipedia infoboxes:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Rexford, it happens that there are 2 Wikimania sessions about concurrent editing starting at 17:00 today in Auditorum I. Pine On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I am asking Quim to provide us an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fine-tuning the Architecture RfC process

2014-08-09 Thread Quim Gil
Alright, let's find a compromise: we will make sure that any Architecture task fitting in Bugzilla will have a Bugzilla report. We will continue using Phabricator for all the rest. Let's talk again when we have a Phabricator instance in production (in a few weeks, according to plans). For

[Wikitech-l] Extension unit tests!

2014-08-09 Thread addshorewiki
Great news all! Some talks at Wikimania got me looking at ALL of the extensions on gerrit, and thus, some things happened! We now have zuul / jenkins triggers and jobs for unit tests (non voting) on ALL extensions on gerrit (excluding empty repos) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/152236/ And

[Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread svetlana
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say MediaViewer may one day be as feature-ful as the file description pages we've had for a long time (editing capability, oh my!). [...] MZMcBride

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say MediaViewer may one day be as feature-ful as the file description pages

[Wikitech-l] ignore feature for mediawiki?

2014-08-09 Thread svetlana
Use-case: someone is being annoying, but is willing to ignore me voluntarily on-wiki. Are there any software tools which may assist them in this where doing so is O.K. (such as not showing my edits in review queue where a page defaults to old stable version anyway, hiding my edits from recent

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Great editor for Wikipedia infoboxes/templates connected to Wikidata

2014-08-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 August 2014 09:58, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: User:Vlsergey from ruwiki presented yesterday at the Wikidata Meetup a new wonderful infobox editor for Wikipedia infoboxes: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Edit_directly_from_infocard_.2F_infobox And also an

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 August 2014 12:23, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say

Re: [Wikitech-l] ignore feature for mediawiki?

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 1:49 PM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: Use-case: someone is being annoying, but is willing to ignore me voluntarily on-wiki. Are there any software tools which may assist them in this where doing so is O.K. (such as not showing my edits in review queue where

[Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Gilles Dubuc
This is an idea I've had for a while, and I'd like to see if there's any interest, or on the contrary concerns, about it. I would like to explore (and if I have official blessing, champion) the idea of asking corporations with software engineering staff if they would be willing to let their

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Saturday, August 9, 2014, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say MediaViewer may one day be as feature-ful as the file description pages

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread svetlana
utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement programming should be a hobby, like editing articles svetlana On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:27, Gilles Dubuc wrote: This is

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread svetlana
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:59, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: [...] Once/if VE becomes production ready and performant, every page could load right in to the editor. No more pressing edit, just edit. This should happen. --Martijn nice idea but i doubt it is right now possible it has such a small

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Svetlana, On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: I would adore talking to the relevant project people, but I /do not see them/ on this wonderful page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter Brandon Harris is designing Winter, he is the most relevant

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension unit tests!

2014-08-09 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 09/08/2014 12:32, addshorew...@gmail.com a écrit : Some talks at Wikimania got me looking at ALL of the extensions on gerrit, and thus, some things happened! We now have zuul / jenkins triggers and jobs for unit tests (non voting) on ALL extensions on gerrit (excluding empty repos)

[Wikitech-l] Thoughts about roles

2014-08-09 Thread Max Semenik
Currently a lot of our extension Vagrant roles are working like Swiss knives: they do everything possible to imagine. For example, MobileFrontend always installs 3 optional dependencies while CirrusSearch includes its configuration for unit tests that among other things enforces $wgCapitalLinks =

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Dan Garry
On 9 August 2014 15:23, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement Gilles' proposal does no such thing. On the contrary,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Gilles Dubuc
It doesn't exclude the community, the community already contributes to the software. That's the point of open source. In fact I would expect that people who already contribute to mediawiki as hobby who are also software engineers as a day job would enjoy being given the freedom to work on what

[Wikitech-l] Dropping unused repos (was: Extension unit tests!)

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: And of course, we have a ton of repositories which are empties. It would be rather nice to get rid of them. I'm totally in favor of doing this. I'm going to build a list. Preferably also with a date of when it was

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts about roles

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Currently a lot of our extension Vagrant roles are working like Swiss knives: they do everything possible to imagine. For example, MobileFrontend always installs 3 optional dependencies while CirrusSearch includes its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread dan-nl
this is an excellent idea and i don't think it needs to be focused only on large corporations or only on corporate individuals who want to volunteer. i would suggest opening the idea to any developer with a skill set that's needed or who wants to learn. and make it available in any Foundation

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-09 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
I have just updated the [[Manual:Skin configuration]] page on mediawiki.org, which is linked prominently in the warning message. It should actually provide some useful information now. (More improvements or improvement suggestions very welcome!)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping unused repos (was: Extension unit tests!)

2014-08-09 Thread addshorewiki
Unused repos that I spotted while going through extensions are listed below. These repos all look empty, or just contain a gitreview / gitignore etc in them, 76 in total... AddMetaAndTitle AmazonLookup ArticleRatings AzharAuth CategoryMagicWords Censor ContextComments CustomMagic

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping unused repos (was: Extension unit tests!)

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
Wheee, you saved me a ton of time. Thanks! :) -Chad On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM, addshorew...@gmail.com wrote: Unused repos that I spotted while going through extensions are listed below. These repos all look empty, or just contain a gitreview / gitignore etc in them, 76 in total...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension unit tests!

2014-08-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
For those willing to help, there are still 56 open bugs among those I filed last week to make phpunit happy. Don't jostle, there is enough for everyone!

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 08/09/2014 03:27 PM, Gilles Dubuc wrote: This is an idea I've had for a while, and I'd like to see if there's any interest, or on the contrary concerns, about it. I would like to explore (and if I have official blessing, champion) the idea of asking corporations with software engineering

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts about roles

2014-08-09 Thread Brion Vibber
Agreed; mobilefrontend and mobilefrintend-tests would probably work as a pair, same with cirrus etc. however the list of roles is getting kinda long and may need a better display with descriptions and search in the future... If we add lots more extensions *and* their optional tests or configs it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 00:23 +1000, svetlana wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement I don't appreciate the language you used. Assume that people mean

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts about roles

2014-08-09 Thread Nikolas Everett
Cirrus's dependencies are too get the integration tests passing and they verify some stuff that came up in dictionary which doesn't force capitals. I'm all for splitting the roles into basic ones and bloated ones. On Aug 9, 2014 3:47 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Chad
+1 to everything Andre said. -Chad On Aug 9, 2014 7:05 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 00:23 +1000, svetlana wrote: utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/08/14 14:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: This has just happened. The instructions MediaWiki will display should guide you through. Poke me on IRC if the email I send earlier and the instructions don't help :) Would it be possible to get the common directory out of core/skins/ as well?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts about roles

2014-08-09 Thread Bryan Davis
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Agreed; mobilefrontend and mobilefrintend-tests would probably work as a pair, same with cirrus etc. however the list of roles is getting kinda long and may need a better display with descriptions and search in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-09 Thread Legoktm
On 8/9/14, 8:41 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: On 07/08/14 14:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: This has just happened. The instructions MediaWiki will display should guide you through. Poke me on IRC if the email I send earlier and the instructions don't help :) Would it be possible to get the common

[Wikitech-l] Lila's keynote speech at Wikimania 2014

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Hi all, I would like to encourage those of us who may have missed Lila's keynote speech at Wikimania to listen to it. [1] In her speech, Lila takes a long view of Wikimedia's history and future. She talks about incremental and disruptive changes that are happening socially and technologically

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

2014-08-09 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: asking corporations with software engineering staff if they would be willing to let their employees volunteer their expertise and time to mediawiki while ideally still being on their employer's payroll. I mean

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Saturday, August 9, 2014, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:59, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: [...] Once/if VE becomes production ready and performant, every page could load right in to the editor. No more pressing edit, just edit. This should happen.

[Wikitech-l] establish, test and enforce coding conventions on-wiki

2014-08-09 Thread Ricordisamoa
If we're going to store JavaScript gadgets and Lua modules in a central wiki (this is planned, I suppose), some coding guidelines would be certainly useful. Should a Request for Comment be created for that? We can reuse MediaWiki conventions for JavaScript, of course. Moreover, I find that

Re: [Wikitech-l] establish, test and enforce coding conventions on-wiki

2014-08-09 Thread Helder .
Slightly related request: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51651 (Auto-generated gadget documentation with JsDuck) Helder ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l