Re: [Wikitech-l] Beta edit toolbar disabled temporarily

confirmed the issue as fixed. Thanks all! Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Speed of parsing messages (was: how to chang {{SITENAME}})

, but this language doesn't need it here, that'd also save useless efforts by the parser in expanding PLURAL. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability initiative

quite a few issues with FCKeditor, and as far as I know it's been decided that the usability project is not gonna cover WYSIWYG; I'm not entirely sure of the official stance here, you'd have to ask Naoko. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability initiative

2009/9/15 Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru: * Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com [Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:34:07 +0200]: We're planning to do exactly that in our third release (Citron). Right now, we're working on bugfixing and deploying our second release (Babaco). What do these codenames

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Security holes in Mediawiki

, but I'll make it extra clear here: all these vulnerabilities reported by these database are only in there because we discovered, fixed and reported them first. The affected versions of MediaWiki range from old to stone-age. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] LanguageSelector on strategy wiki

with application only, no need to tweak any squid stuff. Speaking of which, could we exempt api.php from this? It sets sane Cache-Control: headers on its own, which should not be overwritten. See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14402#c11 and downwards. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Language variants

of words that makes a relatively big difference (otherwise it'd be more trouble than it's worth IMO; but that's up to the community). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] SQL

2009/9/5 Helder Geovane Gomes de Lima heldergeov...@gmail.com: But I don't know what to use in the SQL instead of the WHAT?. Does anybody knows what should it be? You should probably use ORDER BY page_namespace, page_title there, which will sort by namespace, then by title. Roan Kattouw

Re: [Wikitech-l] Any news to update static HTML Wikipedia?

) project is a violation of the GPL. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

TranslateWiki (or changes to the message in MessagesEn.php , in the case of English) will not get through because the local customization containing the old version overrides it. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Constant-folding magic words in messages (was: how to chang {{SITENAME}})

and let messages containing other magic words such as these never expire. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] How we can speed up double brace substitution, Was: how to chang {{SITENAME}}

Duplicate thread of http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/044984.html ? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Browser sniffing in JavaScript (and elsewhere)

break. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] More fun and games with file position relative code

don't get all extensions, but svn commands on phase3 don't affect extensions. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] split LocalSettings.php into public and private parts

. On topic: I agree with Chad that it's trivial to segment LocalSettings yourself if you really want to. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] A comprehensive parser regression test

such a test. I read this paragraph first, then read the paragraph above and couldn't help saying WHAT?!?. Using a huge set of pages is a poor replacement for decent tests. Also, how would you handle intentional changes to the parser output, especially when they're non-trivial? Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] A comprehensive parser regression test

at it and hoping that'll cover everything, we should make our test suite more comprehensive by adding lots of new parser test. Of course there'll be *some* crazy bugs concerning weird interactions that only happen in the wild, you can't really write tests for those, but that's life. Roan Kattouw

Re: [Wikitech-l] How sort key works?

identical sortkeys, you shouldn't complain that MediaWiki doesn't magically know in which order you want to sort them. You can make it predictable by using a (more) unique sortkey. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] ParseTree generated by the API and tag extension

for the foo handler to sort out. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] ParseTree generated by the API and tag extension

it works this way is that some tags don't *want* their contents to be parsed or preprocessed, because they treat it as plain text, not wikitext. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] URLs that aren't cool...

/Océano_Índico I have been told that Greek drops accents in capital form but this may not be true. Other than that, though, I am not acquainted with any language that does such a thing (but of course that doesn't mean none exist). Frisian (fy) does drop accents in capitals, FWIW. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] wmf-deployment branch

, update on the servers). The policy concerning pushing changes *will not change* unless a senior dev says so; it is not affected by the introduction of this branch in any way, merely simplified. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Content Security Policy

from wiki(p|m)edia sites. (and yes, there's JSON, but it's not supported by most tools) There's already a wikitech-l thread about that [1]. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-June/043678.html ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enabling some string functions

... {{#if:{{{param9|}}}|Do something with param9}} Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Current events-related overloads

in the middle of it: instead of deadlocking, the other processes would just display stale versions instead of wasting time. If we design these parser cache locks to expire after a few minutes or so, it should work just fine. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] PHP 5.3.0 coming soon!

array handling functions (I think those bugs only existed on 64-bit platforms, not sure though). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enabling some string functions

arguments, and expand all three of them before it runs the #if hook. I thought this was fixed ages ago with the new preprocessor. I asked Domas whether it was and he said no; Tim, can you chip in on this? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enabling some string functions

expanding it either. I have vague recollection that it was fixed with the new preprocessor, as Simetrical said, but I have no idea how much truth there is in that. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Image hovering effects

nonsense. The time it takes to set and/or display these tooltips is nothing compared to the time it takes to download and display the images themselves. Image-heavy pages load slowly because they contain a lot of images (surprise!), most other factors are negligible. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment policy on Wikipedia

upon a time, we had sort-of-weekly code updates, but right now Wikipedia is running code dated March 25th. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Internal links and diacritics

? The set of characters allowed in the so-called linktrail depends on the language used, and is set in the individual LanguageXx.php files. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-api] Revisions since certain date / wiki mirror

discussion mediawiki-...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi Roan, thanks again for the reply. Comments in line. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/31 sl contrib sl.cont...@googlemail.com: On the other hand it seem strange though that I can't get easily get all

Re: [Wikitech-l] Database Abstraction

, to my knowledge, not been opposed. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log

add logs, such as AbuseFilter [3]. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLogTypes [2] http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classLogPage.html [3] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Spezial:Code SVN to Wiki link

2009/5/2 Jan Luca j...@jans-seite.de: Why say http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access that I should do this? You can make the link yourself, but someone has to make you a coder first. Ideally, Brion would do this when giving people commit access. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Spezial:Code SVN to Wiki link

2009/5/2 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: No, I didn't grant Coder rights, I just linked a svn and wiki account. Not all committers are Coders on mw.org. Should they be? IIRC, you need coder rights to add comments, or is being a logged-in user enough? Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dump process does not work

2009/5/1 Russell Blau russb...@hotmail.com: But, on the bright side, every database in the system now has a dump that was completed within the last nine hours (roughly).  When's the last time you could say *that*?  :-) Yes, and those dumps are 20-byte .gz files. Oops. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code: accepted projects

very large images could hit the 30s execution limit and fail, which means those thumbs will never be generated but every user requesting it will have a request last for 30s and time out. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code: accepted projects

2009/4/24 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com: All true. The images should not be rethumb'd unless resolution changes, a new version is uploaded, or the cache is otherwise purged. Repeat: this is what we do already (not sure if that's what you're trying to say, but should implies differently). Roan

[Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code: accepted projects

]: be nice to these special newcomers, make them feel welcome and comfortable, and try not to bite them :) To the mentors and students: have fun! Roan Kattouw (Catrope) [1] http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wikimedia [2] http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009

Re: [Wikitech-l] SVN commit access

2009/4/9 Techman224 techman...@yahoo.ca: Sending to mailing list The mailing list scrubs attachments, if that's what you were trying to do. Also, these requests should really be made to Brion in private, IMO. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to simplify and improve image markup in Wikipedia

the thumb attribute are rendered differently (no caption, no wrapper div, no magnifier icon), so you might wanna take a look at those as well. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] Splitting up EditPage::showEditForm()

. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] URL extraction from database

of a better way to achieve this? Use the externallinks table, it has all this data. If the externallinks table is empty or incomplete, you can rebuild it with a maintenance script (don't remember the name offhand). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help with...different...Wiki request solutions

the software wouldn't know what to do with names like Hillary Rodham Clinton (is Rodham a middle name or a surname?). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikitech-l] all the world's alphabets right there on the edit page

the charinsert/edittools stuff to the edit form. That'll at least spare non-JS users, and should make disabling easier. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload-by-URL for test.wikipedia.org

Chad schreef: For the ForeignApiRepo to support it, we need native upload support in the API to begin with. Right, didn't think about that :) Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting the list of Page Titles and Redirects of Wikipedia

isn't worth the trouble. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting the list of Page Titles and Redirects of Wikipedia

-only (Use --old-redirects-only to only add missing entries rather than checking existing entries for validity as well.) Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech

Re: [Wikitech-l] LocalSettings.php can set messages too?

and make sure only you have it). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problems with the recent version of Cite Extension

error cannot be happening with REL1_14 (I've checked that in r45574, the Cite_body.php file where the error occurs doesn't even contain the word preview). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] developer meet-up is out of room

be nice if we could find a solution to fit at least everybody who registered before registration closed, and if that involves paying a small fee I'd happily do so. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] developer meet-up is out of room

? Does it mean that people who have arranged their own accommodation won't be rejected? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] statistics of relevant functions/lines

and /tags structure are at [1] (ViewVC) and [2] (SVN). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) [1] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/ [2] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] statistics of relevant functions/lines

Ilmari Karonen schreef: Also, note that all this is true for the main UI code. The API code (found in api.php and under includes/api) and the AJAX code (includes/Ajax*.php) may do things somewhat differently. The API just uses $wgRequest through a wrapper (ApiMain::getRequestParams()).

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Bug 17680] colon sometimes URL encoded %3A right there in the browser URL entry area

than urlencoding them as %3A, see also the bug. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] not all tables need to be backed up

that's acceptable. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML not Rendered correctly after Import of Wikipedia

O. O. schreef: I did not understand where I have to edit “imagemap_invalid_image” I am new here, so I am not sure which file I have to edit. You have to edit [[MediaWiki:imagemap_invalid_image]], which is a wiki page, not a file. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] It makes more overload to delete system massages in local wiki's MediaWiki namespace pages?

probably no big difference in this case either. Also note that by default, the objectcache table in the database will be used to cache messages in. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] It makes more overload to delete system massages in local wiki's MediaWiki namespace pages?

be a difference, other than that MediaWiki: pages each use a tiny amount of space. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] How to patch?

that you may need to use the -p or --strip option, which is exactly the solution to your problem. I don't see how that's terribly hard to find. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Error After Upgrade on Ubuntu

Chris Spencer schreef: Hi, I'm running Mediawiki 1.11.2 You should really be running a more recent version, like 1.13.4. Is 1.11.2 the version you upgraded to, or the one you upgraded from? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Interwiki recommendations

the wheel is called Semantic MediaWiki in this case :P Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

Marcus Buck schreef: I just read the last category intersection discussion from December to see, what's the latest state of it. While doing that, I saw, that the last message in that thread was this post from Roan Kattouw, providing his extension. Oddly, nobody reacted on it. After 65 posts

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

wikis. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drafts extension in testing

the draft edits? Not currently, but that'd be a great thing to have for third-party editing tools. I'll put it on my TODO list, which means I hope to finish it this month (my TODO list has grown considerably lately). Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meet-up in Berlin, April 3-5

do. Also, I'd be interested to hear which API developers intend to come, for obvious reasons. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meet-up in Berlin, April 3-5

permitting. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Template Special:Export/Import

/ TestSMW -- However as you can see, it comes out all garbaged. Can anyone advise? I should now have all the templates from the export/ import, perhaps I'm missing some other extension(s)? You're missing the ParserFunctions extension. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [45755] trunk/phase3 (IBM DB2 database layer)

int NOT NULL, + si_title varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', + si_text clob NOT NULL +); Don't you need some index on this table to enable efficient searching? Again, this is only a very shallow look from my part, Brion will probably have more interesting stuff to say. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [45755] trunk/phase3 (IBM DB2 database layer)

Aryeh Gregor schreef: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@home.nl wrote: So DB2 renames LIMIT $n to something else and doesn't even implement offset handling, even though both are in the SQL specification? LIMIT/OFFSET are completely nonstandard. See, e.g

Re: [Wikitech-l] parser-internalParse vs wgParser-parse produces different output for same wikitext

-recursiveTagParse() instead (I don't know whether $parser-internalParse() is forbidden as well). Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision history edit compressor

Robert Rohde schreef: Could someone walk me through how I would do that? Basically, you need to ask Brion for SVN access first; he'll probably give you some pointers on how to continue from there. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] GitTorrent (pie-in-the-sky post)

and they have so far been ignored even though I made my attempts to get them connected. Thanks, GerardM Doesn't Domas collect all kinds of statistics at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ ? Maybe those stats could be used and/or extended to fit the VU's needs. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-latin characters broken in donation comments

mizusumashi schreef: By the way, I sent some mails to ML wikitech-l. But they are not in the Archive. Why? Mails don't always show up immediately. Also, the archives are grouped per month, so you may have been trying to find e-mails sent in late November in the December archives. Roan

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection (been there done that .. to the power of three)

to write it wanted them. It also doesn't support three-letter word searching (which core does these days, using a prefix hack), which is pretty bad since categories with short titles (or stopword titles) won't be found either. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection (been there done that .. to the power of three)

beyond the horizon, while the half that realizes that said solution _cannot possibly work_ without a radical reform of the category system will again be too annoyed (I'm getting there already) to continue discussing. It would be nice if you didn't judge people as naive rightaway. Roan Kattouw

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-latin characters broken in donation comments

Bence Damokos schreef: Thank you for considering Hungarian. You could detect Hungarians by simply looking for donations in Hungarian Forints (HUF). Note that not all people who live in Hungary have Hungarian names, and not all Hungarians live in Hungary. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

Re: [Wikitech-l] terms conditions checkbox on registering

By registering you agree to the Terms and Conditions (link)? Wikipedia does much the same thing by putting a notice underneath the edit box saying (among other things) You irrevocably agree to release your contributions under the terms of the GFDL**. Roan Kattouw (Catrope

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