Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Risker
Iceland is cool (in just about every sense of the word!), but I'm not sure it does a lot of good for our users in the most difficult-to-serve areas: Asia, Africa, South America. (Notice the parallels with the global south areas.) It might be helpful for the Middle East. I think it is easy to

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Oct 21, 2013 8:32 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for hosting, as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in the European

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)
This thread is getting off topic. As stated before: The RFC is for a datacenter in the United States. Can we please fork this thread for discussing: * What different copyright related implications datacenters in countries other than the United States have * What the consequences are for latency

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ken Snider ksni...@wikimedia.org After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review. My snap reaction, Ken,

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Leslie Carr
I'm curious which details you would like to see? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Snider ksni...@wikimedia.org After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions I'm curious which details you would like to see? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread George William Herbert
To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions I'm curious which details you would like to see? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Ken Snider
On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Well, perhaps I'm unfairly comparing the RFP's density to that of the last two colo contracts I saw, but I'm not sure I have a copy of those; I will take a look, and abide until them. Jay, the idea here is to drum up bids

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread MZMcBride
Leslie Carr wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Leslie Carr wrote: ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines) Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps. Is this new datacenter intended to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Ken Snider
On Oct 21, 2013, at 8:03 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I added links to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_servers so that we can hopefully get that page updated one day. Thanks - definitely something to tackle once we complete the Tampa migration and new DC buildout.

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM On 19 October 2013 12:59, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM Are you asking if they have varnish caches (they do not) or if they are using some web caching on their environment

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Maarten Dammers
Op 19-10-2013 12:59, Leslie Carr schreef: Wikitech is our best source of documentation Ouch, time for a little documentation sprint? Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad performance of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way. Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network do not have the expertise to keep a bunch of caching servers in the air ? When you do, do you think that all these mobile operators do not have that

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way. As an engineer I do know how the internet works ;) Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network do not have

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Ken Snider wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Ken Snider wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Leslie Carr wrote: ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines) Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps. Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad, then? And (echoing Maarten's question) will this new datacenter replace

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Leslie Carr wrote: ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines) Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps. Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad,

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread George William Herbert
On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:17 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: You probably want to include that you're looking for a tier-4 data center This is more marketing-foo than realistic. I have had longer-than-expected-max outages in every datacenter I've had systems in save one (which

[Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-18 Thread Ken Snider
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-18 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi, would you be open to a data center outside the US in future, and if no, why not? Rupert Am 18.10.2013 22:05 schrieb Ken Snider ksni...@wikimedia.org: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-18 Thread Ken Snider
Hi Rupert, We'd be open to any jurisdiction that provides an appropriate legal foundation for our operations, as well as meeting our technical and topographic needs. However for this specific proposal, we're looking for a US-centric location that can serve as a backup should our Ashburn