Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-13 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:57:26 -0800, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: MZMcBride wrote: Perhaps mobile uploading could use better native support, but again, is the cost worth it? Does Commons need more low-quality photos? And even as phone cameras get better, do those

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 December 2012 10:44, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: More importantly while quality is nice, that's not what's really important. More important than quality is coverage. Getting photos of those things that we don't have photos for. That is where mobile devices will

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-12 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
Στις 11-12-2012, ημέρα Τρι, και ώρα 19:04 -0500, ο/η MZMcBride έγραψε: Brion Vibber wrote: Over on the mobile team we've been chatting for a while about the various trade-offs in native vs HTML-based (PhoneGap/Cordova) development. [...] iOS and Android remain our top-tier mobile

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-12 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:11 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think I fundamentally agree with your point, but when I consider that there is (for example) no API for adding or removing a category from a page (file or otherwise), Sure there is, action=edit. Although the client does

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-12 Thread Chris McMahon
Have a link? 'Cheap smartphone' seems a contradiction. $50 Huawei phones running an ancient Android and only getting cheaper. Jimbo's all about them. http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/10/50-android-smartphones-are-disrupting-africa-much-faster-than-you-think-says-wikipedias-jimmy-wales/

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-12 Thread Arthur Richards
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Any thoughts? Wildly in favor or against? From Brion's original email as well as my perspective from being involved in these projects, I am in favor of shifting to native code for iOS and Android. Considering the goals

[Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread Brion Vibber
Over on the mobile team we've been chatting for a while about the various trade-offs in native vs HTML-based (PhoneGap/Cordova) development. Currently our main Wikipedia apps are all HTML-based: * Android - HTML + Cordova + plugins * iOS - HTML + Cordova + plugins * BlackBerry PlayBook (and later

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
Brion Vibber wrote: Over on the mobile team we've been chatting for a while about the various trade-offs in native vs HTML-based (PhoneGap/Cordova) development. [...] iOS and Android remain our top-tier mobile platforms, and we know we can do better on them than we do so far... Any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2012 00:04, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Looking at the big picture, I don't think we'll ever see widespread editing from mobile devices. The user experience is simply too awful. The best I think most people are hoping for is the ability to easily fix a typo, maybe, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread Platonides
On 12/12/12 01:04, MZMcBride wrote: Looking at the big picture, I don't think we'll ever see widespread editing from mobile devices. The user experience is simply too awful. The best I think most people are hoping for is the ability to easily fix a typo, maybe, but even then you have to assess

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2012 00:22, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: OTOH, see recent coverage of Wikipedia in Africa, where it's basically going to be on phones. Cheap shitty smartphones. That the kids are *desperate* to get Wikipedia on. Do we want to make those readers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread John Vandenberg
Small (native) apps can do Wikimedia work quite effectively using the api Upload image File categorisation New page patrol Flagged revs/Pending changes OTRS John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Dec 12, 2012 7:04 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Brion Vibber wrote: Over on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
Platonides wrote: On 12/12/12 01:04, MZMcBride wrote: Looking at the big picture, I don't think we'll ever see widespread editing from mobile devices. The user experience is simply too awful. The best I think most people are hoping for is the ability to easily fix a typo, maybe, but even then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
John Vandenberg wrote: Small (native) apps can do Wikimedia work quite effectively using the api Upload image File categorisation New page patrol Flagged revs/Pending changes OTRS I think I fundamentally agree with your point, but when I consider that there is (for example) no API for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread Brion Vibber
We've gone a bit off topic into the question of whether we should spend any time on mobile at all, it seems. :) On Dec 11, 2012 5:11 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think I fundamentally agree with your point, but when I consider that there is (for example) no API for adding or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mobile apps: time to go native?

2012-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
Brion Vibber wrote: We've gone a bit off topic into the question of whether we should spend any time on mobile at all, it seems. :) Well, I think that's expected when the question was (broadly) where do we go from here? I think native or non-native support is a false dichotomy: there's a