Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-24 Thread Adam Baso
Anyone against this? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is this good to go? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: I posted the query results at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104942#1458981. I _believe_ there wasn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-24 Thread James Forrester
On 24 July 2015 at 16:18, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Anyone against this? ​ Do it.​ ​J. -- James D. Forrester Lead Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-22 Thread Adam Baso
Is this good to go? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: I posted the query results at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104942#1458981. I _believe_ there wasn't significant skew on particular days that would taint the initially reported number, although

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread John
... Have we done any analysis on usage of those subdomains? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: There's a ticket for removing mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org domains/subdomains, which are legacy domain names superceded by m.wikipedia.org and its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread John
Can we look at a wider sample? using a single day as judgement factor is a bad idea. However if the data supports your position I dont see any serious problems. You might want to take a look at either the UA's or refering sources to see if there is a primary source for the traffic and mitigate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Toby Negrin
Hi John -- What do you think would be a better sample? My feeling is that a 24 hour period captures global usage and we're currently at about .01% of page views come to these domains is a pretty good indicator. Keep in mind we're doing this for a legitimate technical reason and not arbitrarily.

[Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Adam Baso
There's a ticket for removing mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org domains/subdomains, which are legacy domain names superceded by m.wikipedia.org and its subdomains. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104942 The rationale for the removal of these legacy domain names is to help support

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Adam Baso
Looks like the user pageviews for wap.wikipedia.org and mobile.wikipedia.org subdomains are approximately 0.02% of the size of pageviews for m.wikipedia.org subdomains based on a recent one day check. hive select count(*) from wmf.webrequest where year = 2015 and month = 7 and day = 14 and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Adam Baso
No problem, I'll run some extra queries. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:04 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: 1 day isnt much to base a decision on, especially on a global level. Normally I would use a sample set of at least a week, to a month of values. Sorry if I seem like im being a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread John
1 day isnt much to base a decision on, especially on a global level. Normally I would use a sample set of at least a week, to a month of values. Sorry if I seem like im being a pain, I have just seen a lot of bad choices made based off limited data sets. With a wider data set we might find that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Hi, If you look at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104942#1436332 (linked from this thread, before Adam posted his own data) an analysis was done on a file called per-domain-count which we previously extracted from sampled 1:1000 logs for approximately 25 days for all kinds of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of mobile.wikipedia.org and wap.wikipedia.org in support of browser HSTS preload

2015-07-16 Thread Adam Baso
I posted the query results at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104942#1458981. I _believe_ there wasn't significant skew on particular days that would taint the initially reported number, although there were small variations as expected. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Adam Baso