Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Risker
I do urge you to start such a discussion, bawolff. It would seem to me that a one- or two-week RFC should be sufficient to opt out contributions to MediaWiki. I'd be happy to support, even though it's more likely that I'll star in the next James Bond film than ever write a line of code.

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Bartosz DziewoƄski
I agree. The new policy would just introduce pointless bureaucracy. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Arcane 21
In terms of applying the rule to things like articles written by someone for pay on behalf of someone else, that policy makes sense. As for code, I agree, that policy is counterproductive. To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:42:05 +0200 From: matma@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Dan Andreescu
cc-ing Luis as I think this consequence, whether intended or not, would interest him On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So from what I understand, there's now been an amendment to WMF's terms of use to require disclosure of paid contributions [1]. Its

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: So from what I understand, there's now been an amendment to WMF's terms of use to require disclosure of paid contributions [1]. Its a little unclear how this applies to MediaWiki as a project, but a literal reading of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Dan Andreescu
The terms of use is basically a clickwrap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickwrap agreement, right? When you make a contribution, you see by clicking you accept blah blah blah somewhere, once you click knowing that, you made a sort of contract from a legal point of view. So the terms of use

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Risker
On 16 June 2014 17:03, Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org wrote: The terms of use is basically a clickwrap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickwrap agreement, right? When you make a contribution, you see by clicking you accept blah blah blah somewhere, once you click knowing that,

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On 6/16/14, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: So from what I understand, there's now been an amendment to WMF's terms of use to require disclosure of paid contributions [1]. Its a little unclear how this applies to

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Luis Villa
Hey, all- Our opinion is that the terms of use applies to wikis, and not to non-wiki activities like code contributions. That said, we can understand why this would be confusing, so an opt-out that explicitly lists mediawki code contributions (or even mediawiki as a whole) would be just fine with

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Chad
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: That gerrit.wikimedia.org doesn't seem to have any of the standard footnote links (including the privacy policy, which is perhaps a more significant oversight)...is that because of the interface? One would think a custom

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Jun 17, 2014 3:25 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So from what I understand, there's now been an amendment to WMF's terms of use to require disclosure of paid contributions [1]. Its a little unclear how this applies to MediaWiki as a project, but a literal reading of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] new terms of use/paid contributions - do they apply to mediawiki

2014-06-16 Thread Risker
Thank you, Luis. I have drafted a request for comment on mediawiki.org [1], but it can probably use some review to ensure I have included the correct list of related projects. Risker/Anne [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Alternate_disclosure_policy On 16 June 2014