Re: [Wikitech-l] Ideating on GSoC project : Mobilize Wikidata
I'll go ahead and request that Wikilabs account then. If I get stuck somewhere, I'll revert back to you. Also Jon, could you tell me a little more about your work on the skin? Is it possible for me to view the code? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on refactoring the mobile skin. In theory when I'm done doing this (I need some help code reviewing) you would be able to write your own mobile skin with its own modules and own scripts simply by extending some classes in MobileFrontend extension. Does this sound appealing at all? On 17 Apr 2013 08:02, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: What you probably want to do is *integrate with* MobileFrontend, but keep your code within WikiBase extension and friends. There's provisions now for specifying desktop or mobile targets separately in ResourceLoader, which will let you load either the same or different CSS and JS for mobile views. You could also format your special pages differently, but I recommend doing the differences in CSS and JS if you can, to keep things clean. But you could also detect that mobile view is in use and change the formatting of a Special: page directly, for instance. From what I remember, the base HTML of the data editing forms is relatively straightforward, but might not fit well on small screens, so definitely consider the user-interface needs of a ~320x480px screen when planning what to do. :) -- brion On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: 2013/4/10 Pragun Bhutani pragu...@gmail.com Based on a discussion I had with YuviPanda and MaxSem on #wikimedia-mobile, I've got a few things to add: - It might be a good idea to let Wikidata detect when it's being accessed through a mobile device and then have it adjust the widths and such of the box-structures accordingly and then pass them to MobileFrontend. Maybe we can set up a Wikilabs instance with MobileFrontend like Quim Gil suggested and then we can see how much work there is involved with trying to make WIkidata mobile-friendly. If we can get it to work with MobileFrontend, that'll be excellent but if it turns out to be too complex or too dirty a solution, it would make more sense to make a completely new extension for it. I think that sounds like a good plan. Although the scope of the project is not very clear at the moment, I think that a feasible implementation plan could be worked out with respect to the GSoC timeline and if it's required, I can continue to work on the project after GSoC ends. I am glad to hear that. But I think it would be important to scope the project so that it can be finished in GSoC time - but obviously, further work on it afterwards will be gladly appreciated. So, let's consider what should be working: * create a mobile site for Wikidata * displays the content in a layout that is more adequate for mobile devices * retains different language versions * Bonus: easy to edit First step would be to figure out the exact technology to use, i.e. whether it would use the MobileFrontend or not, etc. We would help with setting it up on labs. Cheers, Denny On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/09/2013 02:39 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I would hope It would also be extremely good to look I would assume I don't think Can the Wikidata and Mobile teams please answer with the best of your knowledge to the questions at Bug 43065 - WikibaseRepo to be mobile friendly (tracking) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=43065 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43065 Beyond hope and believe, the fact is that I couldn't get any answer more precise than Interesting when asking about this project to people in those teams. And as for today I'm not confident to tell to a candidate like Pragun whether this project is too complex or too simple, and where the complexity/simplicity relies. In case of doubt I'd prefer to play safe and actually not encourage GSOC / OPW to apply for a project like this, before we regret around August. Is it possible to have a Wikidata / WikidataRepo test instance somewhere with MobileFrontend enabled, so we can all have a look and know more about the gap this project should fill? -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgil http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list
Re: [Wikitech-l] Article on API Characteristics
On 17 April 2013 22:33, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is its not really possible to do this in php in a way that would actually be of use to anyone. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26631#c1 Still, supporting this in a way “that wouldn’t be of use”, i.e. send the 100 status immediately instead of 417 would probably make it a tiny bit easier for clients. However, this is not a bug/problem/feature-request for MediaWiki, but for Squid. It seems ApachePHP would handle this correctly, but Squid rejects such requests. There is a configuration variable doing exactly what Svick is proposing http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/ignore_expect_100/, but I agree turning it on would not be a good idea. And FYI: Squid 3.2 seems to support 100-continue somehow, but not sure how much. http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTP11 -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
Le 2013-04-17 20:06, Greg Grossmeier a écrit : Hello and welcome to the latest edition of the WMF Engineering Roadmap Update. Highlights include: * Mobile resubmitted to AppStore yesterday, still waiting on the Apple Geniuses to approve ;) * QA is turning all the tests running against betalabs green (they were red from unexpected config differences); they're close. * Echo will be rolling out on en, de, and fr wiki next week on Thursday (the 25th) On all Mediawiki projects, or just on some of them like Wikipedia? Full roadmap at: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoizbfxc5g6KdEkza0xkQnJlM0o0TXlwQXhDOUFvYnc#gid=0 Would it be possible to use free software solutions, which is not the case of the google spreadsheet as far as I know. Depending on the feature needed, EtherCalc may be used instead of the current solution. Other free/libre culture advocates, like the French framasoft[2] network are already using it, see [3]. [1] https://ethercalc.org/ [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framasoft (Sorry, no English translation yet) [3] http://framacalc.org/_start -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/59656/ Hi Andre, I have white belt in SQL-fu so I am really not the right person to review the code. Also, Quim was the one requesting the change, he will know more about what changes to output are required. Could you provide the output that the new SQL script would generate? Thanks, Željko ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Looking for a GsoC mentor (Wikisource, Djvu)
Hi! I'm looking for a co-mentor for this project: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Merge_proofread_text_back_into_Djvu_files There is already someone that would be giving guidance on Tesseract OCR, now I'm looking for a second mentor to advise on Mediawiki issues. A student has shown interest in this project already. Anyone up to mentoring? :-) David --User.Micru ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki
Hallo Sumana, I have created a section for creating a Moodle-extension for MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#MediaWi ki-Moodle_extension It would be nice if somebody else would help with item 1 because I'm not the best designer. There should be people with more experience than me. Best regards, Jan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Sumana Harihareswara [mailto:suma...@wikimedia.org] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 23:47 An: Jan Luca Naumann Cc: Wikimedia developers; 'w vk' Betreff: Re: AW: Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki Jan, thank you for working on this! If you are willing to mentor a student or new contributor in working on items 1 or 2, maybe you could add some details about what would be desired and add them to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects . Thanks, Sumana On 04/17/2013 02:01 AM, Jan Luca wrote: Hallo Sumana, thank you for your support. I have added Wvk in CC so he will get the messages, too. The main part of the Moodle-plugin is ready but I have thought about some others things that we could do: 1. Create a Wikiversity Moodle-theme 2. Create a MW-extension which shows some information about a Moodle-course in a wiki page 3. Add another admin for Moodle and the Labs project (wikiversity-sandbox) About localisation: I already planned to contact the people from translatewiki.net to ask if they could add my plugin About testing: http://sandbox.wikiversity.wmflabs.org/moodle is open for everybody to use and test it. I would be happy when as many as possible would test the plugin and report bugs to me. Best regards, Jan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Sumana Harihareswara [mailto:suma...@wikimedia.org] Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2013 22:09 An: Wikimedia developers; Jan Luca Naumann Betreff: Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Portal/Newsletter/April_ 2013/W ikiversity_and_Moodle Moodle is a free and open source learning management system (LMS). James Neill has made some valuable contributions about how Moodle can be used in conjunction with Wikiversity as a platform for open education. To minimise the need for exporting/importing content from one learning management system (LMS) class site to another and then to another institution Wikiversity may be used as an open educational content repository. A moodle-plugin has been developed by Jan Luca (German Wikiversity) to include content into Moodle hosted on Wikiversity by using a simple tag: [Include-WV]URL[/Include-WV]. The plug-in can be tested on http://sandbox.wikiversity.wmflabs.org/moodle. For further information contact Jan Luca or Wvk. This move is part of an initiative to restart German Wikiversity that seeks to invite new contributors to the project. Thanks for working on this, Jan Luca and Wyk! I see the code is at https://github.com/JanLuca/Moodle_Wikiversity_plugin . Are you looking for help of any sort -- design, testing, localisation, etc.? -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.21.0rc3 -- more bug fixes and testing
On 04/18/2013 12:16 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Sorry to add to the pile, but https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47350 must be fixed before MediaWiki 1.21 is released, as far as I'm concerned. No problem. [[User:PleaseStand]] has been on top of that and already submitted the necessary reversion: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59624/ -- http://hexmode.com/ Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. -- G.K. Chesterson ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Article on API Characteristics
On 2013-04-18 1:13 AM, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 April 2013 22:33, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is its not really possible to do this in php in a way that would actually be of use to anyone. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26631#c1 Still, supporting this in a way “that wouldn’t be of use”, i.e. send the 100 status immediately instead of 417 would probably make it a tiny bit easier for clients. However, this is not a bug/problem/feature-request for MediaWiki, but for Squid. It seems ApachePHP would handle this correctly, but Squid rejects such requests. There is a configuration variable doing exactly what Svick is proposing http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/ignore_expect_100/, but I agree turning it on would not be a good idea. And FYI: Squid 3.2 seems to support 100-continue somehow, but not sure how much. http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTP11 -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l I disagree. If we supported it, people will expect it to actually work, and add the extra complexity to support 100 continue to their bots. This would be bad since it would essentially be a no-op and just slow things down. -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
On 04/18/2013 04:26 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: Would it be possible to use free software solutions, which is not the case of the google spreadsheet as far as I know. Depending on the feature needed, EtherCalc may be used instead of the current solution. Other free/libre culture advocates, like the French framasoft[2] network are already using it, see [3]. [1] https://ethercalc.org/ [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framasoft (Sorry, no English translation yet) [3] http://framacalc.org/_start Wow, thank you for pointing to Framasoft. Looks like they've got some really useful stuff going on there. -- http://hexmode.com/ Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. -- G.K. Chesterson ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: Wow, thank you for pointing to Framasoft. Looks like they've got some really useful stuff going on there. Could be done very easily and neatly in a MediaWiki page... ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki
On 04/18/2013 07:14 AM, Jan Luca wrote: Hallo Sumana, I have created a section for creating a Moodle-extension for MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#MediaWiki-Moodle_extension It would be nice if somebody else would help with item 1 because I'm not the best designer. There should be people with more experience than me. Ok, at least with you there is enough technical expertise to get the project going if an interested student shows up. Please create a related enhancement request in Bugzilla, under Mediawiki extensions Extension requests, and link it from the wiki entry. Thank you for contributing your skills mentoring newcomers! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
Hello Mathieu, quote name=Mathieu Stumpf date=2013-04-18 time=10:26:56 +0200 Le 2013-04-17 20:06, Greg Grossmeier a écrit : * Echo will be rolling out on en, de, and fr wiki next week on Thursday (the 25th) On all Mediawiki projects, or just on some of them like Wikipedia? Just the English, German, and French Wikipedias. The Notifications (formerly Echo) project team does a pretty good job of keeping this etherpad up to date with their planned deployments: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/echo-release Full roadmap at: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoizbfxc5g6KdEkza0xkQnJlM0o0TXlwQXhDOUFvYnc#gid=0 Would it be possible to use free software solutions, which is not the case of the google spreadsheet as far as I know. We (myself plus the Engineering Managers) were just talking about this yesterday during the Roadmap Update Meeting (the meeting that happens right before I send out this email). Robla has a very very rough script that will (hopefully, someday) convert the GDoc into a MediaWiki table that lives on mediawiki.org. He's only working at it sporadically, unfortunately. So, yes, we completely agree. From my understanding, the home of this information was previously a mediawiki.org table, but that became too unruly when the size of it and the number of people simultaneously editing it caused usability problems. I can safely say that we aren't happy with the non-Freeness of GDocs and we wish we didn't use it in this case, but it was a stop-gap solution, and we fully intend on something else (big F Free) replacing it when we know what will meet our needs. Depending on the feature needed, EtherCalc may be used instead of the current solution. Other free/libre culture advocates, like the French framasoft[2] network are already using it, see [3]. Wow! Thanks! I have to admit, I haven't put in any real time searching for a replacement, but these might be able to do it. I'll work on copying over the current version of the Roadmap to ethercalc today/tomorrow. Actually, if anyone wants to help: https://ethercalc.org/WMF_Engineering_Roadmap I *think* all of the content is copied over, but the formatting needs some work ;-). I didn't see an import from CSV/xsl function, but if I missed that, it might be worth a shot. No promises from our end, yet (as I don't know if we tried this already and decided against it for some reason), but this is a great option, thank you Mathieu! Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki for 3rd parties: two useful projects
Hi Yuri, thank you for bringing up this. On 04/17/2013 09:25 AM, Yury Katkov wrote: Hi everyone! So we've had some discussions that are summarized here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Summary In this letter I want to point out to two projects that haven't been organized by Wikimedias, but are still very useful for the people who think about MW as of open source product: 1) http://www.mwusers.com - MediaWiki forum. Many people prefer forums to mailing lists and wikipages like Support desk. Moreover, MWusers is now a good QA database. Yes, a very useful community that solved promptly all my problems as a 3rd party MediaWiki superamateur sysadmin. They are referenced in many pages. If you have other ideas just propose, or edit directly. http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?search=mwuserstitle=Special%3ASearch 2) http://wikiapiary.com A wiki with various statistics about MediaWiki installations and statistics about extensions. I see the huge potential in this project although it's only several months old. Template:Extension on mediawiki.org have finally turned to something useful when the link to wikiapiary had been added there. I'm also impressed about this project. It's so good that I wondered who made it, why and with which resources. :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension has a field for it, and therefore plenty of extensions link to it through Check usage and version matrix. If WMF/Wikimedias interested in promoting MediaWiki not as WMF project but as a piece of open source software, it can be beneficial to help those projects with information support (i.e links from MediaWiki.org), funding and cooperation. Content and links in mediawiki.org: just do it, right? The WMF as such doesn't play a big role deciding here and each of us documents whatever is related with our work and whatever we still have some time to improve - just like anybody else. Funding: the same doors are just as open for these initiatives as for anybody else. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start Cooperation: any ideas? For instance, it would be great to get mwusers.com involved in activities around improving QA or documentation. This would save them some users posting questions about the same problems originated by some problem in MediaWiki or mediawiki.org. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
As always, a correction: quote name=Greg Grossmeier date=2013-04-17 time=11:06:15 -0700 * Echo will be rolling out on en, de, and fr wiki next week on Thursday (the 25th) Notifications (formally Echo) will only be deployed to English Wikipedia, not German nor French, next week on April 25th. My apologies, Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
When will commons.wikimedia get Echo? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: As always, a correction: quote name=Greg Grossmeier date=2013-04-17 time=11:06:15 -0700 * Echo will be rolling out on en, de, and fr wiki next week on Thursday (the 25th) Notifications (formally Echo) will only be deployed to English Wikipedia, not German nor French, next week on April 25th. My apologies, Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as Barak Obama or Sun have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch among several languages. As part of the future plans for the Universal Language Selector, we were considering to: - Show only a short list of the relevant languages for the user based on geo-IP, previous choices and browser settings of the current user. The language the users are looking for will be there most of the times. - Include a more option to access the rest of the languages for which the content exists with an indicator of the number of languages. - Provide a list of the rest of the languages that users can easily scan (grouped by script and region ao that alphabetical ordering is possible), and search (allowing users to search a language name in another language, using ISO codes or even making typos). I have created a prototype http://pauginer.github.io/prototype-uls/#lisa to illustrate the idea. Since this is not connected to the MediaWiki backend, it lacks the advanced capabilities commented above but you can get the idea. If you are interested in the missing parts, you can check the flexible search and the list of likely languages (common languages section) on the language selector used at http://translatewiki.net/ which is connected to MediaWiki backend. As part of the testing process for the ULS language settings, I included a task to test also the compact interlanguage designs. Users seem to understand their use (view recordinghttps://www.usertesting.com/highlight_reels/qPYxPW1aRi1UazTMFreR), but I wanted to get some feedback for changes affecting such an important element. Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. Thanks -- Pau Giner Interaction Designer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki for 3rd parties: two useful projects
On 04/18/2013 12:24 PM, Quim Gil wrote: 2) http://wikiapiary.com A wiki with various statistics about MediaWiki installations and statistics about extensions. I see the huge potential in this project although it's only several months old. Template:Extension on mediawiki.org have finally turned to something useful when the link to wikiapiary had been added there. I'm also impressed about this project. It's so good that I wondered who made it, why and with which resources. :) I contacted the creator of the project yesterday and got an initial response. I have some ideas that could really use a site like WikiApiary -- hopefully, I'll have something more concrete by the time we get to Amsterdam. For instance, it would be great to get mwusers.com involved in activities around improving QA or documentation. This would save them some users posting questions about the same problems originated by some problem in MediaWiki or mediawiki.org. I've started a thread on mwusers about this. Here's to a better MediaWiki community! -- http://hexmode.com/ Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. -- G.K. Chesterson ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] New labs project request -- Wikivoyage
Could a labs admin please add me, 'rogerhc', to the Bastion[1] labs project? I need Bastion membership in order to access the Wikivoyage[2] labs project I am a member of. 1. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Bastion 2. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Wikivoyage Thanks, Roger https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rogerhc On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:57 PM, rogerchris...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, also could you add me, 'rogerhc', to the Bastion labs project? Thanks, Roger https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rogerhc On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:14 PM, rogerchris...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, where can I locate the new Wikivoyage labs project? I don't see it here: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Ask/-5B-5BResource-20Type::project-5D-5D/-3F/-3FMember/-3FDescription/mainlabel%3D-2D Also, https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Project_Request/Wikivoyage still says: Has this request been completed by an admin? No Perhaps this is not Done done? Roger On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM, ro...@rogerchrisman.com wrote: Labs project Wikivoyage is experimental, for prototyping, testing and showcasing feature ideas to the Wikivoyage community. Only after community approval of a particular showcased feature would that feature progress to Deployment-prep. Right? We Wikivoyagers are new to this Labs resource; please do help clue us in. Roger On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 17.04.2013, 23:55 Roger wrote: Hi, Could someone with approval authority please process this new labs project request: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Project_Request/Wikivoyage How is it different from deployment-prep? -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] New labs project request -- Wikivoyage
Roger -- On 4/18/13 12:26 PM, rogerchris...@gmail.com wrote: Could a labs admin please add me, 'rogerhc', to the Bastion[1] labs project? I need Bastion membership in order to access the Wikivoyage[2] labs project I am a member of. You are already a member of both projects; users are automatically added to bastion when they get shell rights. If you're having trouble with access, best to start here https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and then look for help in the #wikimedia-labs channel on IRC. -Andrew ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki
Hi Sumana, Jan, Quim and Wikimedia Developers, I just wanted to let you know that: MIT OCW-centric, free World University and School, in English, is soft-launched ... http://worlduniversityandschool.blogspot.com/2013/04/world-university-and-school-in-english.html... for free (C.C.), online, MIT-centric, university degrees ... and that WUaS has added and adds such Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki ... resources ... to 'Educational Software' and http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Educational_Softwareand 'Courses and Schools' ... http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Courses . If you are a high school student actively interested in applying to free, online, Creative Commons' licensed, MIT OCW-centric World University and School in English, or know of one, this autumn 2013 - with complete applications due by January 1, 2014, at 12 pm Pacific Time - please email WUaS now at - worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com - with a brief letter just saying you're interested. Here's the link to the developing Admissions office at WUaS page - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Admissions_at_World_University_and_School . Best, Scott On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/18/2013 07:14 AM, Jan Luca wrote: Hallo Sumana, I have created a section for creating a Moodle-extension for MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Mentorship_programs/** Possible_projects#MediaWiki-**Moodle_extensionhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#MediaWiki-Moodle_extension It would be nice if somebody else would help with item 1 because I'm not the best designer. There should be people with more experience than me. Ok, at least with you there is enough technical expertise to get the project going if an interested student shows up. Please create a related enhancement request in Bugzilla, under Mediawiki extensions Extension requests, and link it from the wiki entry. Thank you for contributing your skills mentoring newcomers! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgilhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- http://scottmacleod.com/worlduniversityandschool.htm This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this email message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and destroy/delete all copies of the transmittal. Thank you. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Ideating on GSoC project : Mobilize Wikidata
Pragun: It's still a work in progress. I personally think it would be great to have different mobile skins as all our projects have different needs and don't necessarily need to/should look the same or behave the same. I'd happily work closely to you (help with code review etc) to support such a move. If you were to take this approach you'd create an extension that depends on MobileFrontend and extends SkinMobile / SkinMobileBase class overriding certain functions. In a LocalSettings.php you'd be able to configure it as the default mobile skin on your wiki. You can check out the current state of the code/my mind here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/58997/ On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Pragun Bhutani pragu...@gmail.com wrote: I'll go ahead and request that Wikilabs account then. If I get stuck somewhere, I'll revert back to you. Also Jon, could you tell me a little more about your work on the skin? Is it possible for me to view the code? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on refactoring the mobile skin. In theory when I'm done doing this (I need some help code reviewing) you would be able to write your own mobile skin with its own modules and own scripts simply by extending some classes in MobileFrontend extension. Does this sound appealing at all? On 17 Apr 2013 08:02, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: What you probably want to do is *integrate with* MobileFrontend, but keep your code within WikiBase extension and friends. There's provisions now for specifying desktop or mobile targets separately in ResourceLoader, which will let you load either the same or different CSS and JS for mobile views. You could also format your special pages differently, but I recommend doing the differences in CSS and JS if you can, to keep things clean. But you could also detect that mobile view is in use and change the formatting of a Special: page directly, for instance. From what I remember, the base HTML of the data editing forms is relatively straightforward, but might not fit well on small screens, so definitely consider the user-interface needs of a ~320x480px screen when planning what to do. :) -- brion On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: 2013/4/10 Pragun Bhutani pragu...@gmail.com Based on a discussion I had with YuviPanda and MaxSem on #wikimedia-mobile, I've got a few things to add: - It might be a good idea to let Wikidata detect when it's being accessed through a mobile device and then have it adjust the widths and such of the box-structures accordingly and then pass them to MobileFrontend. Maybe we can set up a Wikilabs instance with MobileFrontend like Quim Gil suggested and then we can see how much work there is involved with trying to make WIkidata mobile-friendly. If we can get it to work with MobileFrontend, that'll be excellent but if it turns out to be too complex or too dirty a solution, it would make more sense to make a completely new extension for it. I think that sounds like a good plan. Although the scope of the project is not very clear at the moment, I think that a feasible implementation plan could be worked out with respect to the GSoC timeline and if it's required, I can continue to work on the project after GSoC ends. I am glad to hear that. But I think it would be important to scope the project so that it can be finished in GSoC time - but obviously, further work on it afterwards will be gladly appreciated. So, let's consider what should be working: * create a mobile site for Wikidata * displays the content in a layout that is more adequate for mobile devices * retains different language versions * Bonus: easy to edit First step would be to figure out the exact technology to use, i.e. whether it would use the MobileFrontend or not, etc. We would help with setting it up on labs. Cheers, Denny On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/09/2013 02:39 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I would hope It would also be extremely good to look I would assume I don't think Can the Wikidata and Mobile teams please answer with the best of your knowledge to the questions at Bug 43065 - WikibaseRepo to be mobile friendly (tracking) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=43065 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43065 Beyond hope and believe, the fact is that I couldn't get any answer more precise than Interesting when asking about this project to people in those teams. And as for today I'm not confident to tell to a candidate like Pragun
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
There is a user script [1] that does a primitive version of this. I have found it to be quite useful, so I think it's a good idea to do this properly. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]] [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lampak/MyLanguages On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org wrote: As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as Barak Obama or Sun have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch among several languages. As part of the future plans for the Universal Language Selector, we were considering to: - Show only a short list of the relevant languages for the user based on geo-IP, previous choices and browser settings of the current user. The language the users are looking for will be there most of the times. - Include a more option to access the rest of the languages for which the content exists with an indicator of the number of languages. - Provide a list of the rest of the languages that users can easily scan (grouped by script and region ao that alphabetical ordering is possible), and search (allowing users to search a language name in another language, using ISO codes or even making typos). I have created a prototype http://pauginer.github.io/prototype-uls/#lisa to illustrate the idea. Since this is not connected to the MediaWiki backend, it lacks the advanced capabilities commented above but you can get the idea. If you are interested in the missing parts, you can check the flexible search and the list of likely languages (common languages section) on the language selector used at http://translatewiki.net/ which is connected to MediaWiki backend. As part of the testing process for the ULS language settings, I included a task to test also the compact interlanguage designs. Users seem to understand their use (view recordinghttps://www.usertesting.com/highlight_reels/qPYxPW1aRi1UazTMFreR ), but I wanted to get some feedback for changes affecting such an important element. Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. Thanks -- Pau Giner Interaction Designer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure there will be little or no similar objection. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure there will be little or no similar objection. (hit send too soon, sorry) A simple solution that would avoid a similar reaction is: do not do this by default - make it only for logged-in users who want it that way. Possibly for default users, you could put the heuristically-calculated likely preferred languages at the top. But keeping the rest of the list below, right there on display, will (I predict) be favoured, as advertising the many languages of Wikipedia is a strongly-held value of many Wikimedians. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
I was traditionally in favor of keeping the full language list visible, but it's just too damn big in many cases and is hard to search through on any device. On touch devices it's difficult to pick a correct item from the list as all the links are adjacent (though if you zoom it's ok). Definitely we need something improved, and if we're going to improve it we need to do it for the default or we're failing to serve 99% of our readers... I'm not sure about the current demo; one thing that bugs me is that there's a very small tap/click target for getting the full language list call-out. Clicking on Language just hides/shows the short list, it doesn't do anything. Clicking the settings gear icon next to Languages brings up a call-out with language-related settings none of which help you get to another language version of the wiki. On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an Other languages section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from mobile users. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure there will be little or no similar objection. (hit send too soon, sorry) A simple solution that would avoid a similar reaction is: do not do this by default - make it only for logged-in users who want it that way. Possibly for default users, you could put the heuristically-calculated likely preferred languages at the top. But keeping the rest of the list below, right there on display, will (I predict) be favoured, as advertising the many languages of Wikipedia is a strongly-held value of many Wikimedians. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki
Hi, I have created the bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47381 for this. Best regards, Jan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Quim Gil Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 17:34 An: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Moodle Wikiversity - new Moodle plugin interfaces with MediaWiki On 04/18/2013 07:14 AM, Jan Luca wrote: Hallo Sumana, I have created a section for creating a Moodle-extension for MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#M ediaWiki-Moodle_extension It would be nice if somebody else would help with item 1 because I'm not the best designer. There should be people with more experience than me. Ok, at least with you there is enough technical expertise to get the project going if an interested student shows up. Please create a related enhancement request in Bugzilla, under Mediawiki extensions Extension requests, and link it from the wiki entry. Thank you for contributing your skills mentoring newcomers! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Making inter-language links shorter
Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 18:50 +0200, Pau Giner a écrit : As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as Barak Obama or Sun have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch […] As part of the testing process for the ULS language settings, I included a task to test also the compact interlanguage designs. Users seem to understand their use (view recording), but I wanted to get some feedback for changes affecting such an important element. Very nice job, congratulation. For the feedback: - you may use a plain text label like additional languages instead of a simple … - when you start typing to filter then type backspace, you won't have a less filtered list again, you have to hit the cross to clear the whole entry. - a totaly personal bias : I prefer broon icons like in Gnome instead of cross, but cross I widely used so I guess it's not a usability issue Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. Thanks -- Pau Giner Interaction Designer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Design mailing list des...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 12:57 -0700, Brion Vibber a écrit : On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an Other languages section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from mobile users. Oh by the way, is there an access to discussion pages on the mobile version now? Last time I checked it wasn't accessible directly, but at the begining it wasn't possible to access other languages if I'm not mistaken, so I thought that may also come with an update. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
There are a few things (IMO) that should be done to langlist ordering: * Group by alphabet People who understand latin alphabet should get a list of all latin-using languages listed/sorted together. Cyrillic is a separate group, and so are various asian and middle-eastern languages. I have seen other sites do this (e.g. Google, but I can't quickly locate an example right now). Having all languages bunched up together make going through them extremely painful - one has to skip all the scripts not understood. * Each wiki site has different ordering requirements - like Hebrew and Hungarian wikis want English as the first link, or 'nn' uses 'no','sv','da' before all others. See pywikihttp://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia/families/wikipedia_family.py- interwiki_putfirst * Lastly, but IMO - most importantly, we should honor user settings or browser settings. If my browser sends *Accept Language: en-US,en;q=0.8,ru;q=0.6*, it would be good to show english russian at the top, followed by others. All this can (and should) be done in javascript, without affecting servers. And for historical reasons: bug 2867https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867... i filed it in 2005, it has over 60 votes (highest count in bugzilla if i'm not mistaken)... --Yuri On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: I was traditionally in favor of keeping the full language list visible, but it's just too damn big in many cases and is hard to search through on any device. On touch devices it's difficult to pick a correct item from the list as all the links are adjacent (though if you zoom it's ok). Definitely we need something improved, and if we're going to improve it we need to do it for the default or we're failing to serve 99% of our readers... I'm not sure about the current demo; one thing that bugs me is that there's a very small tap/click target for getting the full language list call-out. Clicking on Language just hides/shows the short list, it doesn't do anything. Clicking the settings gear icon next to Languages brings up a call-out with language-related settings none of which help you get to another language version of the wiki. On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an Other languages section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from mobile users. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner pgi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure there will be little or no similar objection. (hit send too soon, sorry) A simple solution that would avoid a similar reaction is: do not do this by default - make it only for logged-in users who want it that way. Possibly for default users, you could put the heuristically-calculated likely preferred languages at the top. But keeping the rest of the list below, right there on display, will (I predict) be favoured, as advertising the many languages of Wikipedia is a strongly-held value of many Wikimedians. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Heads up: small new feature in ConfirmEdit
Hi all, This is a heads up that we've added a small new feature which hopefully will make things less painful for users across the projects: the ability to refresh the CAPTCHA you're presented without refreshing the entire page. It should work everywhere ConfirmEdit can throw the image CAPTCHA at someone: account creation, login, the edit form, etc. (It won't modify the simple math CAPTCHA, and so on.) The original enhancement request for this ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14230) goes back to 2008. A patch was submitted back in January by lalei: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/44376/ If you want to test this out yourself before it's deployed, you can use http://toro.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Heads up: small new feature in ConfirmEdit
On 04/18/2013 06:21 PM, Steven Walling wrote: Hi all, This is a heads up that we've added a small new feature which hopefully will make things less painful for users across the projects: the ability to refresh the CAPTCHA you're presented without refreshing the entire page. It should work everywhere ConfirmEdit can throw the image CAPTCHA at someone: account creation, login, the edit form, etc. (It won't modify the simple math CAPTCHA, and so on.) Specifically, this is a FancyCaptcha feature. Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:13 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: Wow, thank you for pointing to Framasoft. Looks like they've got some really useful stuff going on there. Could be done very easily and neatly in a MediaWiki page... We used to do that: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap After a year of maintaining, it was too much work for too little value. It's much easier for us to have a big picture view with the spreadsheet format, which unfortunately, is too difficult to maintain in a wiki page. We do a lot of real-time collaborative editing of this doc, which limits the amount of template voodoo we can get away with. As Greg mentioned, my weekend coding project is puttering around with a script to export this data to wiki[1]. The nice thing about this approach is that I can export whatever template/LST voodoo I want from this without impacting our ability to edit it in groups in real-time. That means, that instead of only having this information in a single place, we can also incorporate the information into all of the relevant activity pages. I'll happily take some guidance now as to whether I should endeavor to output a single page with lots of section markers for LST, or if instead I should output a bunch of pages (e.g. one Foo/Roadmap subpage per activity). that get transcluded into a single Roadmap page. Rather than bikeshed here about this, let's have that discussion on-wiki at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Roadmap . Rob [1] Roadmap publisher script: https://gist.github.com/robla/5416776 Very much a work in progress, so I almost didn't publish. The only useful bits as of this writing are the bit to pull the info from Google Docs and push it to mediawiki.org...the conversion step is practically non-existent. I started off thinking I could deal with csv, then dabbled with html, but my preferred approach now is to parse ods from GDocs, but the code isn't really even started for that since I'm just figuring out how to do that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias
For info, given interest in the VisualEditor. :-) -- Forwarded message -- From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org Date: 18 April 2013 17:32 Subject: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias To: Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org All, TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software translated. Next week (on 25 April) we are going to deploy the alpha opt-in version of the VisualEditor to some non-English Wikipedias in the same way that it has been on the English Wikipedia since December 2012. This will let users get familiar with the VisualEditor, give us feedback on what works and what is broken, and help us prioritise further work ahead of the planned deployment as a 'default' editor for all users which we intend to do in a few months' time. Due to a number of issues we have been unable to release VisualEditor to non-English wikis until now, and we would very much like to get some great feedback from as many wikis as possible - especially for extended Unicode and RTL languages, but also other languages. Does the VisualEditor work in your language? Does it gel with your wiki's workflow? The initial languages we want to target are the top 10 Wikipedias by way of scale - de, nl, fr, it, ru, es, sv, pl, ja - plus selected others to help us discover issues we anticipate: ar, he, hi, ko, zh. These will let us test most of the locales we are concerned about. If this goes well, we hope to deploy the opt-in alpha to all Wikipedias. Please tell your wiki colleagues that this is coming, especially if your wiki is in this list! Additionally, you can see how fully-translated the software is into your language in the stats at TranslateWiki.Net[0] - please encourage wiki colleagues to help translate the messages ahead of the deployment! As a note, we have just updated the VisualEditor integration so that the Edit tab goes to VisualEditor, and there is an Edit source tab to go to the wikitext editor. This change (which affects the English Wikipedia opt-in deployment and MediaWiki.org as well as the new deployments mentioned above) moves the way that VisualEditor integrates with the wiki's workflow to be closer to how it will appear when it is the 'default' editor. It is still easy to use the wikitext editor if that is what you want to do - the Edit source tab (at least for now) will be above the fold and not in the drop-down menu on Vector. Happy to answer any questions you might have! Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias
You can add another language to the list? or some of wikipedia sisters? 2013/4/18 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org For info, given interest in the VisualEditor. :-) -- Forwarded message -- From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org Date: 18 April 2013 17:32 Subject: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias To: Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org All, TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software translated. Next week (on 25 April) we are going to deploy the alpha opt-in version of the VisualEditor to some non-English Wikipedias in the same way that it has been on the English Wikipedia since December 2012. This will let users get familiar with the VisualEditor, give us feedback on what works and what is broken, and help us prioritise further work ahead of the planned deployment as a 'default' editor for all users which we intend to do in a few months' time. Due to a number of issues we have been unable to release VisualEditor to non-English wikis until now, and we would very much like to get some great feedback from as many wikis as possible - especially for extended Unicode and RTL languages, but also other languages. Does the VisualEditor work in your language? Does it gel with your wiki's workflow? The initial languages we want to target are the top 10 Wikipedias by way of scale - de, nl, fr, it, ru, es, sv, pl, ja - plus selected others to help us discover issues we anticipate: ar, he, hi, ko, zh. These will let us test most of the locales we are concerned about. If this goes well, we hope to deploy the opt-in alpha to all Wikipedias. Please tell your wiki colleagues that this is coming, especially if your wiki is in this list! Additionally, you can see how fully-translated the software is into your language in the stats at TranslateWiki.Net[0] - please encourage wiki colleagues to help translate the messages ahead of the deployment! As a note, we have just updated the VisualEditor integration so that the Edit tab goes to VisualEditor, and there is an Edit source tab to go to the wikitext editor. This change (which affects the English Wikipedia opt-in deployment and MediaWiki.org as well as the new deployments mentioned above) moves the way that VisualEditor integrates with the wiki's workflow to be closer to how it will appear when it is the 'default' editor. It is still easy to use the wikitext editor if that is what you want to do - the Edit source tab (at least for now) will be above the fold and not in the drop-down menu on Vector. Happy to answer any questions you might have! Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias
Btw, this is great! 2013/4/18 Raylton P. Sousa raylton.so...@gmail.com You can add another language to the list? or some of wikipedia sisters? 2013/4/18 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org For info, given interest in the VisualEditor. :-) -- Forwarded message -- From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org Date: 18 April 2013 17:32 Subject: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias To: Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org All, TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software translated. Next week (on 25 April) we are going to deploy the alpha opt-in version of the VisualEditor to some non-English Wikipedias in the same way that it has been on the English Wikipedia since December 2012. This will let users get familiar with the VisualEditor, give us feedback on what works and what is broken, and help us prioritise further work ahead of the planned deployment as a 'default' editor for all users which we intend to do in a few months' time. Due to a number of issues we have been unable to release VisualEditor to non-English wikis until now, and we would very much like to get some great feedback from as many wikis as possible - especially for extended Unicode and RTL languages, but also other languages. Does the VisualEditor work in your language? Does it gel with your wiki's workflow? The initial languages we want to target are the top 10 Wikipedias by way of scale - de, nl, fr, it, ru, es, sv, pl, ja - plus selected others to help us discover issues we anticipate: ar, he, hi, ko, zh. These will let us test most of the locales we are concerned about. If this goes well, we hope to deploy the opt-in alpha to all Wikipedias. Please tell your wiki colleagues that this is coming, especially if your wiki is in this list! Additionally, you can see how fully-translated the software is into your language in the stats at TranslateWiki.Net[0] - please encourage wiki colleagues to help translate the messages ahead of the deployment! As a note, we have just updated the VisualEditor integration so that the Edit tab goes to VisualEditor, and there is an Edit source tab to go to the wikitext editor. This change (which affects the English Wikipedia opt-in deployment and MediaWiki.org as well as the new deployments mentioned above) moves the way that VisualEditor integrates with the wiki's workflow to be closer to how it will appear when it is the 'default' editor. It is still easy to use the wikitext editor if that is what you want to do - the Edit source tab (at least for now) will be above the fold and not in the drop-down menu on Vector. Happy to answer any questions you might have! Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias
On 18 April 2013 17:44, Raylton P. Sousa raylton.so...@gmail.com wrote: You can add another language to the list? We'll hopefully be able to deploy to every Wikipedia in all our languages quite soon, but we should test it first on a selection so that if we find problems we don't have many dozens of users finding the same problem. :-) BTW, I notice that my message lost the important link for TranslateWiki.Net: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStatsx=Dgroup=ext-visualeditor#sortable:3=desc - very grateful for any who can help translate the VisualEditor interface! or some of wikipedia sisters? We will hopefully be able to deploy to the sister projects in a little longer. Our focus to now has been on the core MediaWiki functionality and extensions that Wikipedias use, rather than on those for the sister projects, which means it may not be of as much use. Btw, this is great! Thank you. :-) J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias
Ok, Thanks for the response! 2013/4/18 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org On 18 April 2013 17:44, Raylton P. Sousa raylton.so...@gmail.com wrote: You can add another language to the list? We'll hopefully be able to deploy to every Wikipedia in all our languages quite soon, but we should test it first on a selection so that if we find problems we don't have many dozens of users finding the same problem. :-) BTW, I notice that my message lost the important link for TranslateWiki.Net: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStatsx=Dgroup=ext-visualeditor#sortable:3=desc - very grateful for any who can help translate the VisualEditor interface! or some of wikipedia sisters? We will hopefully be able to deploy to the sister projects in a little longer. Our focus to now has been on the core MediaWiki functionality and extensions that Wikipedias use, rather than on those for the sister projects, which means it may not be of as much use. Btw, this is great! Thank you. :-) J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Engineering Roadmap Update - 20130417
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: We used to do that: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap ... How about just something simple like * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Peachey88/Sandbox/table2 or * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Peachey88/Sandbox/table1 once they are tided up slightly, they have a similar layout as the spreadsheet and not as confusing as the previous attempt (Which I think may have been a little over worked for the end goal) although I do admit they may be harder to edit (but that maybe fixed by some template wizards) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
