Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM On 19 October 2013 12:59, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: Hi Ken, Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM Are you asking if they have varnish caches (they do not) or if they are using some web caching on their environment

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay

[Wikitech-l] Request to review the Wikimaps Atlas Grant

2013-10-19 Thread Arun Ganesh
Dear Wikihackers, User:Yug[1] from the Graphic Labs and I, User:Planemad[2] a cartographer from the Indian community, have put together a comprehensive IEG proposal to improve all the base maps used on WIkimedia projects with updated cartographic conventions and accuracy using the latest tools and

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Maarten Dammers
Op 19-10-2013 12:59, Leslie Carr schreef: Wikitech is our best source of documentation Ouch, time for a little documentation sprint? Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad performance of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way. Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network do not have the expertise to keep a bunch of caching servers in the air ? When you do, do you think that all these mobile operators do not have that

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way. As an engineer I do know how the internet works ;) Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network do not have

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Ken Snider wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Ken Snider wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility. After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Leslie Carr wrote: ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines) Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps. Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad, then? And (echoing Maarten's question) will this new datacenter replace

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Leslie Carr wrote: ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines) Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps. Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Patch Uploader beta

2013-10-19 Thread Merlijn van Deen
On 16 October 2013 05:15, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I looked at your original e-mail and gerrit-patch-uploader itself and couldn't find a link to the source code. Could one be added to the user interface? I think it would help sustain the project. As Matt already mentioned: it's at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Optimizing the deployment train schedule

2013-10-19 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-10-18 9:40 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Erik, I'm not a fan of removing one of the stages of our current deployments. More inline: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Option B: No Monday deploy. This would mean we'd have to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Optimizing the deployment train schedule

2013-10-19 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 19/10/13 00:26, Erik Moeller a écrit : Are there other ways to optimize / issues I'm missing or misrepresenting above? Hello, As a summary we deploy a new release in three stages spanned over a one week window. The last stage of the previous window occurring the same day as the first stage

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-19 Thread George William Herbert
On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:17 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: You probably want to include that you're looking for a tier-4 data center This is more marketing-foo than realistic. I have had longer-than-expected-max outages in every datacenter I've had systems in save one (which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Optimizing the deployment train schedule

2013-10-19 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hi there, tldr; I like a modified Option C, but also propose a very different Option D that I think would also be good, either now or as the next next step. quote name=Erik Moeller date=2013-10-18 time=15:26:16 -0700 [snip overview of problem, combined with Robla's and you get a good picture