Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2015-12-11 at 09:02 +0100, Bináris wrote:
> Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use !
> This is the first lesson taught.

Currently the actual creator is added as a (HTML source code) comment
(your link to the diff shows "User:Matiia@metawiki"). It's not too
obvious and I'd also prefer real user names, for accountability.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Purodha Blissenbach]

On 11.12.2015 10:40, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Fri, 2015-12-11 at 09:02 +0100, Bináris wrote:
Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use 
!

This is the first lesson taught.


Currently the actual creator is added as a (HTML source code) comment
(your link to the diff shows "User:Matiia@metawiki"). It's not too
obvious and I'd also prefer real user names, for accountability.

andre


Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209

Purodha


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Bináris]

2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach :


> Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
>

Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution is ~
(5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a user
error.

As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), the
software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a
malformed message.

As Flow is ante portas (do I suppose correctly that it will work without
tildes as LQT did?), the extension should check the existence of Flow and
make the correct decision. At the point where some wikis use Flow and
others don't, it is no more the user's responsibility to deal with tildes.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] BetaFeatures and the wmgBetaFeaturesWhitelist

[James Forrester]

On 10 December 2015 at 18:48, James Forrester 
wrote:

> On 10 December 2015 at 17:12, Jon Robson  wrote:
>
>> So I enabled a beta feature today that is part of reading web's
>> quarterly goals (read more about read more here if interested [1])
>>
>> When enabled it showed up in desktop beta features (yey) but the
>> JavaScript module wasn't loading...
>>
>> Investigating I discovered that BetaFeatures::isEnabled consults a
>> config variable called wgBetaFeaturesWhitelist
>>
>> This makes the feature return false if the feature is not in
>> wgBetaFeaturesWhitelist
>>
>> Apparently however you make the feature show up in the
>> GetBetaFeaturePreferences hook - so the whitelist doesn't actually
>> apply to things we show to users (which I would say would be more
>> important...) [2]
>>
>
> ​Hmm. That's an odd bug. I'm pretty sure it didn't used to work if it
> wasn't in the whitelist at all, not merely partially.​ Thanks for the bug
> report, and I see you've filed it as
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121182. Thank you; I'll see if we can
> get it fixed PDQ.
>

​Update: This was a logic bug by me, now fixed in master thanks to Sumit.

It'll roll out in the train next week; given there's​ no current
live-but-not-whitelisted BF code in production, so I think there's no need
to rush it out early.

​J.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Brian Wolff]

On 12/11/15, Bináris  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't know who is in charge of this utility but perhaps some of you know
> a short way.
>
> Recently Mediawiki message delivery left a message on village pump of
> Hungarian Wikipedia without undersigning. The message wasn't archived for a
> long time until the issue was fixed manually.
>
> Tonight another mistake happened:
> https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28egy%C3%A9b%29=prev=16957114
> The message contains a fixed English format date according to GMT, while we
> are in GMT+1 and use Hungarian date format. The message won't be archived
> again, and other bots processing the archives cannot recognize the date.
>
> Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use !
> This is the first lesson taught.
>
>
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I'm not that familar with the mass message tool - but this seems more
like a "rules" thing, then a technical thing.

Perhaps the policy should be updated at meta where users have to end
their posts with a standard looking signature block:
[[m:User:Foo]] ~

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Legoktm]

Hi,

On 12/11/2015 05:42 AM, Bináris wrote:
> 2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach :
>> Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209
> 
> Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution is ~
> (5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a user
> error.
> 
> As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), the
> software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a
> malformed message.

MassMessage will warn[1] you if your message is missing a timestamp. It
won't forcibly make you add one because the detection is imperfect and
in principle, MassMessage doesn't restrict users, but tries to guide
them into not doing stupid things. I'm not sure if the warning would
have triggered in this case as a UTC timestamp is valid on Meta-Wiki,
which is where the message originated from.

There's also some discussion about how signatures should be added at [2].

[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MassMessage_timestamp_warning.png
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:MassMessage#Signature_recommendation

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[Wikitech-l] Fwd: December Lightning Talks

[Kevin Leduc]

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From: Kevin Leduc 
Date: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:56 AM
Subject: December Lightning Talks
To: "Staff (All)" , Engineering list <
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Hi All,

December Lightning Talks are in less than 2 weeks (the same week as
Christmas) and there are still a couple of spaces left to present.  The
talks are recorded and streamed for people not able to attend in person.
  Lightning Talks are an opportunity for teams @ WMF & in the Community to
showcase something they have achieved:  a quarterly goal, milestone,
release, or anything of significance to the rest of the foundation and the
movement as a whole.

Each presentation will be 10 minutes or less including time for questions.

Sign up here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Talks#December_2015

Next round of Lightning Talks:

When: Tuesday December 22, 1900 UTC
,
11am PST (We have added this Lightning Talk to the WMF Engineering, Fun &
Learning, and Staff calendars)

Where: 5th Floor

Remotees: On-Air google hangout will be provided just before the meeting

IRC: #wikimedia-tech

YouTube stream: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqhGxtXFbg

Thanks!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Purodha Blissenbach]

Hi,

the point is do the writers know that?
Seems not all. Who tells them?

Purodha

On 11.12.2015 20:48, Legoktm wrote:

Hi,

On 12/11/2015 05:42 AM, Bináris wrote:
2015-12-11 11:52 GMT+01:00 Purodha Blissenbach 
:

Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121209


Nemo closed it as invalid. While he is right that correct solution 
is ~
(5 tildes rather than 4), he is not right that the issue is purely a 
user

error.

As mass delivery is a MW service (as far as I see, an extension), 
the

software should handle it: either put the tildes itself or refuse a
malformed message.


MassMessage will warn[1] you if your message is missing a timestamp. 
It
won't forcibly make you add one because the detection is imperfect 
and

in principle, MassMessage doesn't restrict users, but tries to guide
them into not doing stupid things. I'm not sure if the warning would
have triggered in this case as a UTC timestamp is valid on Meta-Wiki,
which is where the message originated from.

There's also some discussion about how signatures should be added at 
[2].


[1]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MassMessage_timestamp_warning.png
[2]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:MassMessage#Signature_recommendation

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[Wikitech-l] Mediawiki message delivery problems

[Bináris]

Hi,

I don't know who is in charge of this utility but perhaps some of you know
a short way.

Recently Mediawiki message delivery left a message on village pump of
Hungarian Wikipedia without undersigning. The message wasn't archived for a
long time until the issue was fixed manually.

Tonight another mistake happened:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28egy%C3%A9b%29=prev=16957114
The message contains a fixed English format date according to GMT, while we
are in GMT+1 and use Hungarian date format. The message won't be archived
again, and other bots processing the archives cannot recognize the date.

Please, please, for anyobody working on Wikipedia, be basic to use !
This is the first lesson taught.


-- 
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[Wikitech-l] WMF Discovery Dept Office Hour, Thursday, 17 December 2015, 19:00UTC

[Rachel diCerbo]

Hello everyone,

There will be an IRC office hour with members of the Discovery Department
on Thursday, 17 December, at 19:00 UTC. This is an opportunity to talk with
Tomasz Finc and other staff members in Discovery. You can read more about
their work here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Discovery

Additional information, including your time zone, is listed on the here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours

We hope to see you there :)

Cheers,
rachel


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