Re: [Wikitech-l] ArchCom Monutes, News, and Outlook

[bawolff]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Legoktm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 03/09/2017 08:17 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
>> * NOTE: we plan to experiment with having a public HANGOUT meeting, instead 
>> of
>> using IRC.
>
> Can I ask why? At least for me, Google Hangouts simply isn't an option
> to participate when I'm in a crowded library/classroom.
>
> -- Legoktm
>

+1 to this being inconvenient. I don't always attend arch com
meetings, but usually do if I happen to be online during the time. If
its a hangout, it is extremely unlikely I would attend unless I was
specifically proposing an RFC.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] please critique my grant application

[bawolff]

A short clear self-contained abstract at the top of the grant request
would be a good start.

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> Please critique and endorse my grant application, especially after Doc
> James replaces his name as the applicant so I can be the adviser and
> my Google Summer of Code co-mentor and student can be co-grantees:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Intelligibility_Transcriptions
>
> Thank you!
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[Wikitech-l] please critique my grant application

[James Salsman]

Please critique and endorse my grant application, especially after Doc
James replaces his name as the applicant so I can be the adviser and
my Google Summer of Code co-mentor and student can be co-grantees:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Intelligibility_Transcriptions

Thank you!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of Technical Collaboration Guidance discussion

[Rogol Domedonfors]

So to whom is this going to be helpful and how?  That sounds like being
implemented to me, but apparently that isnt going to happen.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Venerability policy? That's a new one. Verifiability policy. (Spellcheck is
> not always a wiki-lawyer's best friend.)
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Speaking generally, guidance can be helpful even if it's not a policy.
> > English Wikipedia has similar ways of organizing information and how-to
> > guides. Some guidance documents are categorized as essays, some as
> > guidelines, and some as policies. It's worth noting that enforcement is,
> > somewhat counter-intuitively, not tied directly to the "authority level"
> of
> > a document. For example, the venerability policy is frequently violated
> but
> > generally people are rarely blocked for violating it, while the
> exceptions
> > to norms that are tolerated under "Ignore All Rules" have become thin as
> > Wikipedia's complexity has grown and practices have become more detailed
> > and standardized. (I believe that Aaron Halfaker has done some research
> on
> > that last point.)
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If there's not going to be anything to implement, how do you see this as
> >> having an effect on anything?  What will be done differently or better?
> >> Why should anyone be doing any work on it?  How will we know whether or
> >> not
> >> it has been a success, and whther or not the time effort and effort was
> >> well-spent?
> >>
> >> "Rogol"
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell <
> >> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> >> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Is the *Technical Collaboration Guidance*
> >> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_Guidance
> still
> >> > > actively under development?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ​Yes, there are internal stakeholder discussions still underway.
> >> > ​
> >> >
> >> > > There seems to have been no discussion of any
> >> > > substance since January.  Is there an intention to bring the
> >> discussion
> >> > to
> >> > > a close
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ​Eventually the plan is to remove the draft tag, yes.
> >> > ​
> >> >
> >> > > and to implement the guidance?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ​As guidance, there is nothing to "implement" as you say. As has been
> >> > discussed on the talk page, these are not rules to be placed into
> >> effect.
> >> > This is a guidance manual from the TC team. The guidance is available
> >> for
> >> > teams to check if they'd like a written resource for the type of work
> >> that
> >> > Community Liaisons generally do.​
> >> >
> >> > ​Further questions are welcome on the talk page, where discussions can
> >> be
> >> > properly captured on-wiki.​
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> > Technical Collaboration Specialist
> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of Technical Collaboration Guidance discussion

[Pine W]

Venerability policy? That's a new one. Verifiability policy. (Spellcheck is
not always a wiki-lawyer's best friend.)

Pine


On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Speaking generally, guidance can be helpful even if it's not a policy.
> English Wikipedia has similar ways of organizing information and how-to
> guides. Some guidance documents are categorized as essays, some as
> guidelines, and some as policies. It's worth noting that enforcement is,
> somewhat counter-intuitively, not tied directly to the "authority level" of
> a document. For example, the venerability policy is frequently violated but
> generally people are rarely blocked for violating it, while the exceptions
> to norms that are tolerated under "Ignore All Rules" have become thin as
> Wikipedia's complexity has grown and practices have become more detailed
> and standardized. (I believe that Aaron Halfaker has done some research on
> that last point.)
>
> Pine
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
>> If there's not going to be anything to implement, how do you see this as
>> having an effect on anything?  What will be done differently or better?
>> Why should anyone be doing any work on it?  How will we know whether or
>> not
>> it has been a success, and whther or not the time effort and effort was
>> well-spent?
>>
>> "Rogol"
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell <
>> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
>> domedonf...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is the *Technical Collaboration Guidance*
>> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_Guidance still
>> > > actively under development?
>> >
>> >
>> > ​Yes, there are internal stakeholder discussions still underway.
>> > ​
>> >
>> > > There seems to have been no discussion of any
>> > > substance since January.  Is there an intention to bring the
>> discussion
>> > to
>> > > a close
>> >
>> >
>> > ​Eventually the plan is to remove the draft tag, yes.
>> > ​
>> >
>> > > and to implement the guidance?
>> >
>> >
>> > ​As guidance, there is nothing to "implement" as you say. As has been
>> > discussed on the talk page, these are not rules to be placed into
>> effect.
>> > This is a guidance manual from the TC team. The guidance is available
>> for
>> > teams to check if they'd like a written resource for the type of work
>> that
>> > Community Liaisons generally do.​
>> >
>> > ​Further questions are welcome on the talk page, where discussions can
>> be
>> > properly captured on-wiki.​
>> >
>> > --
>> > Keegan Peterzell
>> > Technical Collaboration Specialist
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of Technical Collaboration Guidance discussion

[Pine W]

Speaking generally, guidance can be helpful even if it's not a policy.
English Wikipedia has similar ways of organizing information and how-to
guides. Some guidance documents are categorized as essays, some as
guidelines, and some as policies. It's worth noting that enforcement is,
somewhat counter-intuitively, not tied directly to the "authority level" of
a document. For example, the venerability policy is frequently violated but
generally people are rarely blocked for violating it, while the exceptions
to norms that are tolerated under "Ignore All Rules" have become thin as
Wikipedia's complexity has grown and practices have become more detailed
and standardized. (I believe that Aaron Halfaker has done some research on
that last point.)

Pine

Pine


On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> If there's not going to be anything to implement, how do you see this as
> having an effect on anything?  What will be done differently or better?
> Why should anyone be doing any work on it?  How will we know whether or not
> it has been a success, and whther or not the time effort and effort was
> well-spent?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell <
> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is the *Technical Collaboration Guidance*
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_Guidance still
> > > actively under development?
> >
> >
> > ​Yes, there are internal stakeholder discussions still underway.
> > ​
> >
> > > There seems to have been no discussion of any
> > > substance since January.  Is there an intention to bring the discussion
> > to
> > > a close
> >
> >
> > ​Eventually the plan is to remove the draft tag, yes.
> > ​
> >
> > > and to implement the guidance?
> >
> >
> > ​As guidance, there is nothing to "implement" as you say. As has been
> > discussed on the talk page, these are not rules to be placed into effect.
> > This is a guidance manual from the TC team. The guidance is available for
> > teams to check if they'd like a written resource for the type of work
> that
> > Community Liaisons generally do.​
> >
> > ​Further questions are welcome on the talk page, where discussions can be
> > properly captured on-wiki.​
> >
> > --
> > Keegan Peterzell
> > Technical Collaboration Specialist
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > ___
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Re: [Wikitech-l] 2017-03-08 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

[Pine W]

Thanks for adding the link. I think that including it in the email
summaries would be valuable as well, for people who receive the email
summaries and would like to ask questions about specific projects but might
feel uncomfortable with replying to the thread or aren't sure where and how
to ask a question.

Pine


On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Andre Klapper 
wrote:

> On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 20:02 -0800, Pine W wrote:
> > Aha, that's helpful. Thanks Andre.
> >
> > Grace, may I request that you include a link to that page in future
> issues
> > of Scrum of Scrums, perhaps under a heading something like "Contact
> info"?
> > Alternatively, you could include links to team-level pages underneath
> each
> > heading.
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums now links to that page
> in the first line. I'd call that sufficient.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Gsoc17 Proposal : Adding Data storage feature and upgrading Quiz extension

[Pine W]

Hi Harjot,

Thanks for your proposal. I have no authority in the proposal selection
process but I thought I should let you know that several people have
expressed interest in working on the Quiz extension. While it's good to
have so many people interested in that project, I'm hoping to encourage
someone to take up work on the Editor-focused dashboard gadget (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91655), especially if a mentor can be
found. I'd like to encourage you to look at that potential project as well.

I'm not sure if the GSoC rules allow a single person to make proposals for
multiple projects, but if the answer is yes (I'll defer to Quim and other
WMF people about that question), and if it's likely that a mentor can be
identified for that project, then I'd be appreciative if you'd consider
also making a proposal to work on that gadget project.

Thanks,
Pine



On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Harjot Bhatia 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Harjot Singh 4th year student pursuing Information technology
> Engineering.
> I've been part of MediaWiki since May 2015.I enjoy working on open source
> technologies and love to contribute.
> Phabricator link 
>
> I've previously worked as Php developer at Daphnis labs and full stack
> intern.I would like the opportunity to work on this MediaWiki project for
> Gsoc 2017.
>
> I would like to share my proposal for the project :Proposal Link
> 
>
> I made the proposal early in order to get feedback and suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
>
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[Wikitech-l] Gsoc17 Proposal : Adding Data storage feature and upgrading Quiz extension

[Harjot Bhatia]

Hi,

I'm Harjot Singh 4th year student pursuing Information technology
Engineering.
I've been part of MediaWiki since May 2015.I enjoy working on open source
technologies and love to contribute.
Phabricator link 

I've previously worked as Php developer at Daphnis labs and full stack
intern.I would like the opportunity to work on this MediaWiki project for
Gsoc 2017.

I would like to share my proposal for the project :Proposal Link


I made the proposal early in order to get feedback and suggestions.

Thanks,

Harjot Singh
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[Wikitech-l] GSoC 2017 project 'Single image batch upload'

[Shanika Ediriweera]

Hi,

I am Shanika Ediriweera and I am a 4th year Computer Science and
Engineering undergraduate of University of Moratuwa. I worked as an intern
in an opensource software company(WSO2 Inc.) for my 3rd year Industrial
training. I have experience in programming, opensource contributing and
problem solving.

I have contributed to mediawiki as well. Profile link -
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Shanikae/

I would like to take up the project 'Single image batch upload' (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138464) for GSoC 2017.

How should I get started?
What steps do I need to follow?

Best Regards,

Shanika Ediriweera
Undergraduate
Dept. of Computer Science & Eng.
University of Moratuwa
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Re: [Wikitech-l] 2017-03-08 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

[Andre Klapper]

On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 20:02 -0800, Pine W wrote:
> Aha, that's helpful. Thanks Andre.
> 
> Grace, may I request that you include a link to that page in future issues
> of Scrum of Scrums, perhaps under a heading something like "Contact info"?
> Alternatively, you could include links to team-level pages underneath each
> heading.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums now links to that page
in the first line. I'd call that sufficient.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of Technical Collaboration Guidance discussion

[Rogol Domedonfors]

If there's not going to be anything to implement, how do you see this as
having an effect on anything?  What will be done differently or better?
Why should anyone be doing any work on it?  How will we know whether or not
it has been a success, and whther or not the time effort and effort was
well-spent?

"Rogol"

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Is the *Technical Collaboration Guidance*
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_Guidance still
> > actively under development?
>
>
> ​Yes, there are internal stakeholder discussions still underway.
> ​
>
> > There seems to have been no discussion of any
> > substance since January.  Is there an intention to bring the discussion
> to
> > a close
>
>
> ​Eventually the plan is to remove the draft tag, yes.
> ​
>
> > and to implement the guidance?
>
>
> ​As guidance, there is nothing to "implement" as you say. As has been
> discussed on the talk page, these are not rules to be placed into effect.
> This is a guidance manual from the TC team. The guidance is available for
> teams to check if they'd like a written resource for the type of work that
> Community Liaisons generally do.​
>
> ​Further questions are welcome on the talk page, where discussions can be
> properly captured on-wiki.​
>
> --
> Keegan Peterzell
> Technical Collaboration Specialist
> Wikimedia Foundation
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