Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-01 Thread Isarra Yos
Wikia is dinky? ShoutWiki is antiquated? I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but please don't generalise like this; an innacurate statement like that just takes away from it. On 01/10/13 21:34, Ori Livneh wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bug 35306: Global (to a wiki farm or family) message delivery (thoughts)

2013-10-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Out of curiosity, when did it become a requirement that Foundation management be involved throughout the process of all feature development, and that the WMF take over maintaining anything deployed to Wikimedia projects? Because that's just not feasible, and never has been. 1. If the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inline bug report history in Bugzilla

2013-10-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/10/13 23:37, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi, sorry for my late answer. On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 08:47 -0700, James Forrester wrote: This is brilliant, and makes Bugzilla hugely more usable; could it be switched on for all users by default, or would that impair the server operation too much? I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 28/10/13 02:32, Tim Starling wrote: There is the separate issue that on my Linux laptop, Nimbus Sans L looks worse than the font my browser will choose for sans-serif. That is because I have customised Firefox to use the Ubuntu font for sans-serif, which is very readable. I find all the Arial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-04 Thread Isarra Yos
On 04/11/13 15:31, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On 11/04/2013 10:10 AM, Max Semenik wrote: Most of our mobile traffic is genrated by iOS and Android - both of which support LocalStorage, so it will work for them too. People using 2G/GPRS are not necessarily using a mobile device. I've heard

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/11/13 16:28, Quim Gil wrote: The issue is the extra step for newcomers vs the risk of many extra steps for a few etablished contributors if someone decides to abuse the feature, as it happened in the past. And my point is that I personally don't believe that such barrier is diminishing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Patrolling on english wikipedia

2013-12-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/12/13 13:40, Petr Bena wrote: I was recently suggested by someone (and requested by someone else) to use patrolling on good edits in huggle, however after executing the patrol api query I receive this error: ?xml version=1.0?api servedby=mw1130error code=patroldisabled info=Patrolling is

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 19:21, Chad wrote: Sending wiki edits to Gerrit for review? Absolutely not. I'm totally cool with the idea of code review for Gadgets so forth, just not using Gerrit. We considered it for Scribunto (and heck, I wrote half of a proof of concept) but shot it down because the idea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 22:21, Ryan Lane wrote: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: In recent months I've come across a few mails on this list that only contained accusations of trolling. Those are very much not constructive and only serve to antagonize. I know

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 23:28, Petr Bena wrote: I think we need to use less rules and more common sense. This. When you get right down to it, what even is trolling? And should it necessarily matter? Even if someone is trolling, that doesn't mean they may not have a real point to it, though perhaps they

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Homepage Redesign

2013-12-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Homepage Redesign

2013-12-16 Thread Isarra Yos
, not more. Snt frm my iPhne On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-01-25 Thread Isarra Yos
On 25/01/14 13:02, rupert THURNER wrote: for the password policy: display a strength indicator is great. anything more? i would say just leave it to the user. rupert. This. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] InstantClick

2014-02-08 Thread Isarra Yos
How much bandwidth would this cost the users? If a mobile user is paying by how much they download, this could well mean they're paying for things loaded in the background - things that they may never even touch. On 08/02/14 19:52, Jon Robson wrote: Thanks for sharing! This could be really

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-17 Thread Isarra Yos
I basically agree with everything Marc said, but you bring up a very good point about assuming good faith. That seems like something that would probably go the furthest towards addressing the underlying problem. Can I tape you two together? -I On 17/02/14 20:45, Monte Hurd wrote: +1 When I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-17 Thread Isarra Yos
If you're pissed, that's when you use something like NVC, except taking it even further, perhaps. Put other people on edge too, but then if they do anything about it, wll... I think this may be the standard approach on a lot of discussion boards on enwp. On 18/02/14 03:26, Adam Wight

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-18 Thread Isarra Yos
That's interesting - my take on AGF always was that it was a way to avoid assumptions - another way of saying to give people the benefit of the doubt without being such a cliché (even though it's probably even more of one now). But yeah, good points. On 18/02/14 13:43, pi zero wrote: I find

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts on hiding text from the internal search

2014-02-19 Thread Isarra Yos
Don't suppose there'd be any way to do both things - an index to search normally, and one to search full of everything if someone's searching for hidden stuff. -L On 19/02/14 17:39, Nikolas Everett wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/02/14 21:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require HTML caches to be purged during the upgrade

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 03:58, Tim Starling wrote: I would never have merged it, because it had a -1 from Steven Walling, apparently speaking on behalf of others on design-l. I think changes should be made by consensus. The changeset was the result of the discussion on the Design list. The reason Steven

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 10:16, Steven Walling wrote: Just for more background/context here... As you can see in the latest comments on bug 61416, I'm not the only one who objects to the implementation as currently designed. Prior to the bug, Erik M. also proposed an alternative solution which was ignored

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 17:06, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 07/03/2014 16:48, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:27:53 +0100, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: So a single -1 should prevent a change from being submitted until that -1 is lifted by addressing the person concern(s) or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-08 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/03/14 09:15, Niklas Laxström wrote: 2014-03-08 0:39 GMT+02:00 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com: This is not disrespecting development, which is extremely important by any measure. But we're running a top-10 worldwide website, a key worldwide information resource for humanity as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 17:26, Trevor Parscal wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. - Trevor But that completely ignores the primary users of non-Vector skins - third party users who have developed their own skins. Every time the skinning systems

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 19:21, Jon Robson wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. Touché. So.. so 2 questions 1) would anyone have any objections to moving it out of core and into its own extension? 2) would anyone have any objections for turning it off on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 20:16, James Forrester wrote: On 11 March 2014 13:10, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/14 17:26, Trevor Parscal wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. - Trevor But that completely ignores the primary users of non

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 21:21, Jon Robson wrote: If people forget they exist I would say that equates to no one cares about them and no one maintains them. If this is true, we are doing a disservice to our users by providing these skins to our users. Developers forget some users exist. They forget use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 22:45, Trevor Parscal wrote: By making all skins extensions it would also force us to make a few new APIs which are needed to no longer have skin extensions be second-class citizens. This should happen. - Trevor Quite so. Think hitting on some of this could be a viable gsoc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 12/03/14 15:47, Jon Robson wrote: Okay to make sure stuff comes out of this thread... So unless someone does this before me I am going to move CologneBlue out of core and into SkinCologneBlue extension and Modern out of core into SkinModern extension. If someone could rerun the data

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 12/03/14 07:15, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 11/03/2014 23:55, Isarra Yos a écrit : On 11/03/14 22:45, Trevor Parscal wrote: By making all skins extensions it would also force us to make a few new APIs which are needed to no longer have skin extensions be second-class citizens. This should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/04/14 20:19, Jon Robson wrote: After the deploy last Thursday various users on Village Pumps bug reports and external sites (e.g. Twitter and Reddit) were informing us that the new typography was unreadable. Sadly it was difficult to distinguish whether this was simply a dislike of the new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/04/14 21:03, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: +1, but to me 'serif' rather than 'sans-serif' for the section headers is nicer. YMMV and can certainly live with sans for section headers Having different serif for the headers with sans-serif content can be a bit dangerous, depending on the fonts in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/04/14 00:02, Steven Walling wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: I feel that I am not being taken seriously. Three times now I have indicated what is wrong with this solution, namely that a single font stack cannot possibly serve a global website.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Isarra Yos
Helvetica, I get Nimbus Sans L * Android users ?? (Nobody responded.) Linux often gets arial. Anyone with wine will probably have it installed, too, and most will have wine even if they don't use it. It's not necessarily a particularly good copy, either. quoting Isarra Yos Given that no objective

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 09/04/14 08:26, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: I agree with everything Risker said. I go further and suggest the team involved stops defending their goals and implementation. The former are not the issue, and the latter was indefensible. I havent looked at how much testing was done, or if there

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/04/14 19:30, Erwin Dokter wrote: First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, even though I should control that. (I also quit smoking.) Not sure where a new font stack should be discussed, so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/04/14 18:42, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/), restoring the body font to sans-serif. The heading font is unchanged for now. I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of writing) and pondered this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/04/14 23:49, Erwin Dokter wrote: On 15-04-2014 00:55, Isarra Yos wrote: Deemed better? Better how? But that's what I'm saying - if the configuration is optimised for dejavu sans, nimbus won't be better at all even if it is a better-engineered font (doubtful, though, it being an arial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 15/04/14 01:54, Steven Walling wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Deemed better? Better how? But that's what I'm saying - if the configuration is optimised for dejavu sans, nimbus won't be better at all even if it is a better-engineered font

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/05/14 22:07, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2014-05-20, 2:25 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: There seem to be three popular ways: * $IP/skins/SkinName.php for the main file plus $IP/skins/skinname/ for assets, using an autodiscovery mechanism to automagically make the skin available after the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/05/14 23:05, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2014-05-20, 3:48 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: Out of curiosity, what are your reasons for advocating lowercase skin names over the standard camelcase format used throughout the rest of MediaWiki? I included those in my bullet points. * The skinname you

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/05/14 20:38, Stephan Gambke wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There seem to be three popular ways: * $IP/skins/SkinName.php for the main file plus $IP/skins/skinname/ for ... * $IP/skins/SkinName/ for both assets and PHP files ($IP/skins/skinname/SkinName.php etc.),

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jettisoning our history?

2014-05-31 Thread Isarra Yos
On 31/05/14 15:03, Merlijn van Deen wrote: On 31 May 2014 16:08, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: 270MB is gigantic for a git repo. But it's not an issue /per se/. The issue is slow clones/slow pulls, not so much the 270MB on your hard drive. The slow clones/pulls can be improved by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 02:30, Tim Starling wrote: In CR comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ it has been proposed that we make a git clone of the MW core not be installable until $IP/vendor is populated somehow -- either by separately cloning the mediawiki/core/vendor project, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:24, John wrote: there is currently a patch in gerrit which would do exactly that if merged. Why? This sounds like a really bad idea, but maybe it isn't, and as a sysadmin and developer I need to know what it even is so I can decide if I should flip the fuck out. Or not. -I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:31, John wrote: My suggestion, Flip the fuck out Its a really bad idea that wasnt thought though, If users want SwiftMailer support it should be done in an extension, and not in core On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, so I'm completely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 05:01, Matthew Walker wrote: This also has knock on impacts elsewhere. BD808 has a patch that uses PSR-log and Monolog for logging. We're starting to move to a model where we recognize that we shouldn't write everything and that things in core have significantly better replacements

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nesting of mediawiki/core/vendor inside mediawiki/core

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 22:26, Tim Starling wrote: One thing that concerns me about the proposed composer setup, that I haven't mentioned yet, is the nesting of the project hierarchy, with mediawiki/core/vendor inside mediawiki/core. You know that we have mediawiki/extensions instead of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 23:21, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Problem with composer is it doesn't actually work for all use cases (farms in particular can be problematic, even if the wmf did get it working), so depending on it isn't really a good

[Wikitech-l] Release management proposal from a consortium of developers and sysadmins

2014-06-13 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, We've posted our proposal for the release management RFP. You can find it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_Management_RFP/2014/Consortium Our team includes me (Kim Schoonover), Ryan Schmidt (Skizzerz), Benjamin Lees (Emufarmers), Jack Phoenix, and Bartosz Dziewoński (Matma

Re: [Wikitech-l] Background color

2014-06-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 27/06/14 19:02, Jeffrey Barish wrote: On Friday, 27 June 2014 10:24:57 Ryan Kaldari wrote: Works for me. I added the background-color rule to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaldari/vector.css and it took effect immediately. Ryan Kaldari On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Jeffrey Barish

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion (was Re: IMPORTANT: GSoC OPW mid-term evaluations)

2014-07-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 09/07/14 10:38, Quim Gil wrote: Siebrand and Kartik have been selected to participate in the GSoC Reunion o behalf of Wikimedia. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors#Delegates_for_Google_Summer_of_Code_Reunion Reasoning pasted here for your convenience:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion (was Re: IMPORTANT: GSoC OPW mid-term evaluations)

2014-07-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/07/14 10:21, Quim Gil wrote: On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/07/14 02:50, Risker wrote: On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-enterprise] MediaWiki for the third party community: get involved!

2014-08-04 Thread Isarra Yos
Hi, What would be the purpose of this organisation and separate community, exactly? Has there been any demonstrated need or even want for such an organisation amongst the community it would proportedly serve? I ask in particular because as a third-party sysadmin myself, it's hard enough

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-enterprise] MediaWiki for the third party community: get involved!

2014-08-04 Thread Isarra Yos
Aye, these are valid points, and there are very real issues with what we have (and don't have) currently. But why do we need a separate organisation to address them? Why can they not be addressed at home, on mw.org? Why hasn't any of this consolidation happened already, before adding another

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshedding a good name for the api.php API

2014-08-07 Thread Isarra Yos
I prefer Bob. On 07/08/14 08:40, Pine W wrote: We could name it in honor of Jimbo. ;) On Aug 7, 2014 1:18 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Call it Bob. Bob is always a good name. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/08/14 14:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: This has just happened. The instructions MediaWiki will display should guide you through. Poke me on IRC if the email I send earlier and the instructions don't help :) Would it be possible to get the common directory out of core/skins/ as well?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/08/14 14:24, Jon Robson wrote: On 8 Aug 2014 04:23, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 07/08/2014 22:05, Erwin Dokter a écrit : I now have to submit two patches and hope they both get merged at the exact same time. The world we should be working towards is one where you'd only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/08/14 16:54, Tyler Romeo wrote: There are many legitimate cases (e.g., office actions and copyright-related issues) where I could see the superprotect level coming in handy. There are some cases where the WMF simply cannot afford (usually b/c of legal reasons) to trust the community, even

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-18 Thread Isarra Yos
On 18/08/14 14:54, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Aditya Chaturvedi aditya.iiita...@gmail.com wrote: However, to run the system in production first, we need assistance on how to make these ratings visible on the pages of extension. Has it already been asked

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/08/14 11:48, Quim Gil wrote: For those interested in the process of proposing and accepting internship projects, here you have a post mortem of this specific case: On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds like a serious miscommunication before the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/08/14 13:13, Quim Gil wrote: On Wednesday, August 20, 2014, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: At Wikimania, we had a good conversation and a proposal (that was basically agreed upon by everyone in the room IIRC!) about creating a gold standard for extensions, judging them based

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 05/09/14 22:45, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Can we add a section for release date of the extension or skin release. because it would be easer to view the release date in the special version page then go to the extension page and try to look it up. This does sound like it could be useful, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 06:42, Chad wrote: Don't we already pull the date from git if it exists? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version says yes. -Chad Oh neat, is that new? Or am I just that unobservant? Well, nevermind, then. What about the tarball ones, though? Do those do it? Seriously, I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 16:28, Thomas Mulhall wrote: What I mean is for the extension to add there own release date so that when they release an updated version like for example 1.0 updated to 1.0.1 or 1.1 and the user goes to the extension and page and sees there is an updated version with an updated

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: IRC office hours about account creation and login redesign

2012-11-28 Thread Isarra Yos
I know the office hours are probably exactly for this kind of question, but I have to ask just for the sake of general interest - are these changes going to be pushed to core, or will they remain in extensions, for instance simply as a permanent feature of enwp only? On 28/11/2012 21:51,

Re: [Wikitech-l] slight change to the review workflow in Gerrit

2012-12-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/12/2012 15:01, Sébastien Santoro wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: That is all. The slow unit tests are no more run on patchset submission. We really need them. The tests philosophy is there is an issue with this change. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Language features testing sprint (was Re: A testing bug management wheel)

2013-01-17 Thread Isarra Yos
On 17/01/13 22:38, Chris McMahon wrote: To the best of my knowledge the only publicly accessible page for VE exists at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Test, and I believe one might have to have special rights to edit that page. Visualeditor is available at least on enwp to users who

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?

2013-01-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/01/13 08:04, Chris Grant wrote: Not sure about enwiki, but from my experience with hosting smaller wiki's CAPTCHA's are pretty useless (reCAPTCHA, FancyCAPTCHA, some custom ones). The spambots keep on flooding through. I've found its much more effective to just use the AbuseFilter. --

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiEditor caching (??)

2013-02-16 Thread Isarra Yos
Yeah, having it activate when the relevant element loads instead of the entire page would probably help a lot with that. On 16/02/2013 14:20, Paul Selitskas wrote: WikiEditor is initialized when the 'ready' event is fired in JavaScript: /extensions/WikiEditor/modules/ext.wikiEditor.js: $(

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tag cloud

2013-03-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Talkpages are being redesigned to use a more object-based setup, which should make tagging things a lot easier, but this still holds - those objects will be taggable, but also there are years worth of old discussions on many projects that may still wind up benefiting from a section-based

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user CSS and JS

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
Not rubbish - that would be quite useful. The only problem is it would be a somewhat limited use case. Many users never go near their css/js, so it would just be another checkbox for them to ignore, and those who do use global css/js would just as likely have wider scope issues than that -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user CSS and JS

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
Not rubbish - that would be quite useful. The only problem is it would be a somewhat limited use case. Many users never go near their css/js, so it would just be another checkbox for them to ignore, and those who do use global css/js would just as likely have wider scope issues than that -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
The licensing information is on the page itself, of which the minified js winds up a part. For every file or other object that makes up the page to all contain the licensing information would be pretty unusual. It's like taking a file out of a page and then complaining that it has no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
On 05/03/13 23:45, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 03/05/2013 02:33 PM, Platonides wrote: On 05/03/13 21:53, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 03/05/2013 12:29 PM, Luke Welling WMF wrote: We should discuss them separately, but this core mediawiki JS is GPL2

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Isarra Yos
Non-lawyers arguing over how to interpret licenses, uses, and other stuff with the minimised code doesn't prevent such screwing over either. It is undoubtedly an open-source project; the question is the legal one of where all things need to be attributed and cited, and at the end of the day

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
Another example would be changing default options in core - recently I tried to push for making the enhanced recentchanges the default, but one of the blockers was that I'd need to let the Wikimedia communities know as the change would be applied there as well. Unfortunately I didn't have any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/03/13 19:15, Quim Gil wrote: On 03/21/2013 11:48 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: Unfortunately I didn't have any idea when such a change could or would be merged or deployed, so not only did I not have any timeframe to give said the communities, I didn't even know when it would be appropriate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit actively discourages discussion

2013-04-01 Thread Isarra Yos
On 02/04/13 06:43, Brian Wolff wrote: On 2013-04-02 12:32 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are definitely not the only one who finds these issues annoying. I too worry about the same. +1 Another

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 19:37, Quim Gil wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Wikitech_contributors#First_iteration is supposed to be completed in 3 months, and even there you have some easier tasks that could be implemented pretty fast, namely forms templates for * User profiles.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 20:48, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 04/03/2013 03:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: That seems wrong. Of the two, MediaWiki.org is clearly the more successful wiki. It is larger by all measures, and draws a wide pool of active contributors. I don't know that it's appropriate to put WMF-only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 14:48, Yury Katkov wrote: Hi everyone! I think that there are two categories of developers now: 1) Wikimedia developers deal with Wikimedia tasks of running Wikipedia and all other projects 2) Independent developers which use MediaWiki for their needs. I think that not much of us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 22:26, Ryan Lane wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/13 20:48, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 04/03/2013 03:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: That seems wrong. Of the two, MediaWiki.org is clearly the more successful wiki. It is larger

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who uses MobileFrontend?

2013-05-02 Thread Isarra Yos
On 30/04/13 20:36, Max Semenik wrote: Hi, as one of WMF developers who work on MobileFrontend[1], I'd love to know how third parties use this extension. How does your caching works? How are you detecting mobile devices? Do you have any problems with running it? Finally, just tell us if you tried

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-08-31 Thread Isarra Yos
On 31/08/2012 08:57, Brion Vibber wrote: Heck yes. Generate some standard sizes at upload time and let the browser scale if a funny size is demanded. Modern browsers scale photos nicely, not like the nearest-neighbor ugliness from 2002. As a graphist, I must say this does not seem like a

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/09/2012 05:33, Magnus Manske wrote: Illustrating the problem of manual right/left aligned thumbnails and elements by using slightly different CSS: http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=San%20Francisco Magnus That looks like as much a problem with the general design there as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/09/2012 11:46, Rob Moen wrote: On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Krinkle wrote: If they happened as a direct consequence of a user action, maybe it should appear inside the interface where it was performed? Agreed, interaction related notifications should be localized in the interface where

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hub link to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-24 Thread Isarra Yos
On 24/09/2012 13:35, Jon Robson wrote: So I had a brainwave about this over the weekend. The home page for the developer page should act like a personal appeal only with __developers__ as the writers. I think a personal touch is a great way to explain to a would be developer to why they should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hub link to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-24 Thread Isarra Yos
On 24/09/2012 15:41, Jon Robson wrote: That is an intriguing concept that could indeed work quite well to get people interested, but how many will remain interested after they encounter gerrit? That's a separate problem.. haha! Derric - in reply to your concerns... just a few points 1) The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Awful trouble with 1.19 adding p to html

2012-09-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 27/09/2012 07:56, Aran Dunkley wrote: Hello, does anyone here know why the parser insists on adding p tags to HTML results returned by parser functions? I'm trying to upgrade the TreeAndMenu extension to work with MediaWiki 1.19 and I can't get the parser to stop adding p tags throughout the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What do you want to learn?

2012-10-30 Thread Isarra Yos
If I said I wanted to learn everything, how entirely unhelpful would that be? Not that I really do know enough at this point to be any more specific... Could a mentor help with dealing with the people, though? As an en.wikipedian I have found developers to be somewhat harder to deal with

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-05 Thread Isarra Yos
On 05/11/2012 16:02, Nabil Maynard wrote: Personally, I like having a Postponed/Later resolution at least available. WONTFIX = We acknowledge this is a valid bug, but are choosing not to fix it due to time and resources necessary to fix it. We will not be revisiting this bug unless it is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed new WMF browser support framework for MediaWiki

2012-11-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/11/2012 08:41, Quim Gil wrote: On 11/20/2012 05:19 PM, James Forrester wrote: * Desktop: Current and immediately-previous versions of Chrome, Firefox, MSIE and Safari * Tablet: Current versions of iOS/Safari; Current and immediately-previous ones of Android * Mobile: Current versions of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Standardizing highest priority in Bugzilla

2012-11-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 27/11/2012 09:55, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:49 +, David Gerard wrote: Has anyone suggested a separate urgency parameter? I don't think adding another parameter in the user interface improves anything. We have already Priority, Severity, Target milestone and blocker

Re: [Wikitech-l] Backing out REL1_24

2014-09-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/09/14 20:42, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Dear Wikitech-l REL1_24 was branched and announced ahead of schedule[0]. Our schedule[1] clearly states that we will announce a branch one week before we make one in order to allow developers to put any necessary work into the branch and keep

Re: [Wikitech-l] Backing out REL1_24

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/09/14 22:41, Markus Glaser wrote: Hi Isarra, Why is this ahead of schedule? Two months before release seems pretty reasonable to me; ... You don't want to rush this stuff, especially when balancing with breaking changes in the next release. It's ahead of the planned release schedule

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator update

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/09/14 13:34, Quim Gil wrote: Hi, if you were wondering what is going on in Phabricator land... Summary: You can see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org , you can touch https://phab-01.wmflabs.org/ , you will have a chance to provide feedback about the Bugzilla migration before the

[Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
Hi, I had to switch computers the other day, which resulted in my having to reinstall git-review, and now it... doesn't work. Basically there are two problems: for every new repository I use, I now need to add a commit-msg hook to the .git directory, and also ssh doesn't work at all, so I have

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