Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange PHPUnit behaviour

2013-06-07 Thread Tyler Romeo
What Brad said. In this case, I believe the assertSame function should be used instead, which emulates ===. On Jun 7, 2013 1:55 PM, "Brad Jorsch" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Paul Selitskas > wrote: > > What is wrong here? Wrong test case + issue in PHPUnit or what? > > Fun with PH

Re: [Wikitech-l] [tool labs] central logging service

2013-06-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
Where is the source code for this logging script/software? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Petr Bena wrote: > Replies bellow > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2

Re: [Wikitech-l] Doxygen tags - a proposal

2013-06-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
to the output, and it is indeed different. When Doxygen sees a type, it separates it from the parameter description and adds styling and whatnot. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidz

Re: [Wikitech-l] PHP 5.4 (we wish)

2013-06-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
lly excited about is PHP 5.5, which has generators, finally clauses, dereferencing of container literals, and a new password hashing API. Unfortunately it'll be literally a decade before we switch to that. :( *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Sci

[Wikitech-l] Pager code review

2013-06-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
Not sure who to add, but if somebody familiar with the TablePager class could review this patchset I'd appreciate it: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67627 First time I've used the class. It works, but I want to make sure I'm using it properly. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institut

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS Questions

2013-06-10 Thread Tyler Romeo
eople have issues with the lock icons that $wgSecureLogin > adds. But that would be a trivial thing to hide. > Awesome! Thanks for the update. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecating use of the style attribute (part 1)

2013-06-11 Thread Tyler Romeo
Just for the record, which security issues would this be fixing? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > Many of you on the mailing list sho

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecating use of the style attribute (part 1)

2013-06-11 Thread Tyler Romeo
exploitable. > Ah, I see. How I'd love to see that. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists

Re: [Wikitech-l] Doxygen tags - a proposal

2013-06-12 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > Both my testing and the Doxygen manual indicate that this is not the > case. If you omit the @file, then the relevant doc comment does not > appear in the generated HTML > Interesting. Guess I was wrong. Sorry about that. *-- *

[Wikitech-l] Bikeshed 5: The Painter Strikes Back

2013-06-15 Thread Tyler Romeo
.e., doing !is_null( ... ) versus !== null). Also, there's no functional difference between the two. Any objections other than maintaining the status quo? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tyler

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshed 5: The Painter Strikes Back

2013-06-15 Thread Tyler Romeo
just want to get an idea of what everybody thinks so I can know whether to stop telling people to use === null on code review. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com _

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of Bugzilla admins

2013-06-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
I'd also like to know this information. Being a Bugzilla admin and helping out with the bug workflow and security issues and whatnot has always been something I've wanted to do. But if the WMF is trying to consolidate for some reason... *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technol

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removal of Bugzilla admins

2013-06-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
ot;all the admins were categorized by what they need to be able to do". In that case I totally understand the shift. The only thing I'd recommend is to still maintain a public list of who has what rights, mainly for the purpose of contact info should somebody need something done in Bugzilla

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Sean Pringle, our latest TechOps member

2013-06-24 Thread Tyler Romeo
Welcome! *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Ken Snider wrote: > Welcome to the team, Sean! :) > > > --Ken. > > On 2013-06-24, at 11:17

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggested file format of new incremental dumps

2013-07-01 Thread Tyler Romeo
ourse, if you want multiple language bindings, this is likely no longer an option. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Petr Onderka wrote: > For my GSoC

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggested file format of new incremental dumps

2013-07-01 Thread Tyler Romeo
Petr is right on par with this one. The purpose of this version 2 for dumps is to allow protocol-specific incremental updating of the dump, which would be significantly more difficult in non-binary format. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggested file format of new incremental dumps

2013-07-02 Thread Tyler Romeo
.) can be stored in the database rather than being determined statically by namespace. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikit

Re: [Wikitech-l] PHP question re. isset( $array['key'][0] ) versus array_key_exists( 0, $array['key'] )

2013-07-02 Thread Tyler Romeo
nal. array_key_exists( 'http://axschema.org/namePerson/first', $ax ) Meaning, it's possible that $ax[...] isn't set, meaning trying to see if the index 0 is in $ax[...] will cause an error. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Sci

Re: [Wikitech-l] Composer support for installing MediaWiki extensions

2013-07-02 Thread Tyler Romeo
also installed. That's weird. There's no way to install the non-dev of an extension? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mail

Re: [Wikitech-l] Composer support for installing MediaWiki extensions

2013-07-02 Thread Tyler Romeo
3rd party libraries across all of them. And that is exactly what Composer was made to do, but achieving this is difficult considering extensions are separate projects. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizki

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] Suggested file format of new incremental dumps

2013-07-03 Thread Tyler Romeo
You should look into maybe using cmake or some other automated build system to handle the cross-platform compatibility. Also, are you planning on using C++11 features? (Just asking because I'm a big C++11 fan. ;) ). *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Maj

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving on from Doxygen?

2013-07-05 Thread Tyler Romeo
Could we maybe get use PHPDoc to generate MediaWiki docs, so that we can compare them side-by-side. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Yuvi Panda wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] Are revision tags in the dump files?

2013-07-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
Follow-up question. Will our new dumps project be dumping the change_tag table? ;) *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Ariel T. Glenn wrote: > Στις 08-07-2

[Wikitech-l] mod_pagespeed and MediaWiki

2013-07-11 Thread Tyler Romeo
n and domain sharding. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/lis

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving a page to a category page.

2013-07-11 Thread Tyler Romeo
Soon...https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65176 *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > On 7/11/13, Beebe, Mary J wrote: > > We woul

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Version of the Flow Prototype Released

2013-07-13 Thread Tyler Romeo
Where can we file bugs for this? Also, who came up with the design for this? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Brandon Harris wrote: > > A new v

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Version of the Flow Prototype Released

2013-07-13 Thread Tyler Romeo
green and others gray? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Chad wrote: > Well, it's not a product (yet), so there's no place in BZ to > file bug

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

2013-07-16 Thread Tyler Romeo
sh exactly what articles are being disambiguated on the page. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
org/wiki/11_Squadron, which have a See also section that is usually unrelated to the disambiguated topic, but still may be clicked often. Better yet, all disambiguation pages have the disambiguation template on them, and in that template are links and image links you can click on. *-- * *Tyler Romeo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
is an even worse solution. Not only does it have the same problem I mentioned, but also what if the person just browses to another page by URL? Then the server thinks the user got there from the disambiguation page. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Co

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
me and > use several, perhaps hundreds of observations. > I strongly doubt that the correct behavior will be prevalent enough to warrant using such an automatic system over just manually fixing disambiguation links, which can be done quite easily using automatic wiki browsers and the like. *-- *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
ith a nice extension. But, as said, if VE already has such a feature, maybe it's not even worth it... *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jon Robson wro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
Quick question, is there a way in the API (other than action=edit) to add/remove categories from a page? Because that seems to be one of the main things that would be holding this back from becoming an extension proper. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
Well in that case I might as well start working on a HotCat extension... *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > +wiki tech > On 17 Jul 2

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-18 Thread Tyler Romeo
::replaceInternalLinks2). That way at least the category removal happens in PHP and not in JavaScript. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-18 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: > Lets move the categories in wikidata ? =) That'd be nice, but how much time would that take to develop? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com |

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-18 Thread Tyler Romeo
;m hoping to make an API module for adding/removing categories (it won't be a redesign, it just moves the parsing and removing logic to PHP), and then from there use JavaScript to call that. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidzte

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

2013-07-18 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > You should consider putting the API module in core, since other projects > (including Mobile) have had demand for it. > Will do. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Compute

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick.

2013-07-19 Thread Tyler Romeo
This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > In ~/.gitconfig, add: >

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-19 Thread Tyler Romeo
Man, if only PHP had some sort of dependency management system. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: > Hey, > > What if you wa

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-19 Thread Tyler Romeo
everything except index.php, api.php, etc. in one repository, and then have the entry points in another). That way the MW core itself becomes a library, which is how Symfony does it. Then people just make a project from the entry point project, and then they can use "composer require" to add

[Wikitech-l] Authnz System RFC

2013-07-19 Thread Tyler Romeo
gePassword, and other interfaces. It also deprecates and supersedes the AuthPlugin system, among other systems. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
I wasn't aware the preference was hidden. Interesting. This should definitely be merged and deployed. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM, bawolff wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
some hackish techniques as mentioned above, where you require the MW core as a library (even though it isn't one). That's the main reason I'd consider not using composer. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com |

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
And now it's REOPENED. I'd like some justification rather than the VE team saying "it's our product, so we decide". *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 22,

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
an independent package that a wiki can install, but at the same time it can be a dependency for other extensions. That's where it gets tricky... *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
if the community consensus is to add the user option back. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Ba

Re: [Wikitech-l] What's the best way to identify actually executed MediaWiki extensions?

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
What do you mean by "actually executed"? Because that kind of various by extension. A special page extension is "executed" when its special page is viewed by a user. A parser hook extension is "executed" when a user saves a page with that parser function in it. Etc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
s damage that it requires overriding the community decision just to stop it? On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > * What was the rationale for using ?veaction=edit rather than ?action=edit > for VisualEditor? > This. Who the hell thought this was a good idea. *-- * *Tyler Rome

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
was just hidden because the messages were confusing. So rather than fixing the interface messages, they just hid the preference instead. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
it your singular product into multiple products. If that were true, than the MW core would be split across fifty different repositories. (If Makefiles can compile different parts of a product independently, then so can we.) *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
onclusion, if you really think lying to the community is so bad, then I recommend the VE team stop doing so as well as stop shoving this propaganda down the community's throat as if VE is the second coming. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Sci

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Tyler Romeo
ld block this, then I think we should start throwing out other preferences while we're here. In the end, unless there is some demonstrative reason for disabling this preference (especially the way it is now, using $wgHiddenPrefs, which is not what that variable was meant to be used for), the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
some gadgets like HotCat already operate on a > similar principle. > Why should VE be doing this if you're not entering the editor. HotCat (and the future extension based on it) can handle categories just fine. The VE team should focus on fixing its current issues before attempting to introd

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
tion there is to force users to have a gadget to do something that an existing user preference already does. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Derric Atzro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
Please change the subject and use a different thread if you intend to discuss the usefulness or accuracy of VE, because as I just said, that's not the subject of this thread. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztec

Re: [Wikitech-l] !ask

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
Yeah I agree. Whenever I see it used I cringe a little bit thinking about how the other person is reading it. --Tyler Romeo On Jul 23, 2013 5:51 PM, "Ori Livneh" wrote: > Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC? > > > ori-l: !ask > > wm-bot: Hi, how c

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
is still appropriate. And if it's decided that it's no longer needed, then it will be removed. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
being sarcastic. Like I said before, this was along the same lines of "the VE team decides all and nobody else has a say", which is the wrong way to approach this. If we're supposed to be a community, why wouldn't the first option be to ask the community before ma

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
> predictable reaction)? And if so, why was this done silently? > It wasn't decided. There was a bug with the user preference where the label on the preference was incorrect. In order to fix this, the option was disabled. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
facto decision, but I don't imagine community fallout would have been taken into account since it was an engineering decision and not a product decision. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
t it was a pretty reasonable decision. I mean, if enabling an option all of a sudden broke Wikipedia, it makes sense to disable that option until it is fixed. Maybe the issue wasn't so big a deal such that it needed to be immediately disabled, but nonetheless it's a decision I trust the operations

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
emailed wikitech about this, because I just searched my Gmail and found no such email. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] [tools] Bot dispatcher

2013-07-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
o how the service would handle overload, if the service would support being spanned across a server pool, how the service would be concurrent, etc. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
(aka, abstract functions). Aside from that, Python also supports named function parameters (as well as named variadic function parameters) and decorators. Combining all of the above, I've found Python to be a significantly more useful language for creating applications that are sanely designed.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving MediaWiki's README (bug 50552)

2013-07-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
Awesome! I went bold and made some changes. It already looks significantly better than our current README. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:10 AM, MZMcBride wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] [tools] Bot dispatcher

2013-07-28 Thread Tyler Romeo
be suitable for this application? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Petr Bena wrote: > And if someone was wondering why subscribing to changes is better th

Re: [Wikitech-l] Voting disabled in bugzilla for some products

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
swalk buttons would be a better analogy. :P *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lis

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
this isn't supported, the only option we have is to just disable TLS 1.1 entirely. The ops team can correct me if this is at all incorrect. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 29, 20

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
; See: <http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpSslModule#ssl_prefer_server_ciphers>. > Shows how much I know. Didn't realize we use nginx for our TLS servers. Ignore what I said. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
Yeah, I think MediaWiki has much more important security issues to worry about than their TLS configurations. :P *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Chad wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
re are so many other security issues to choose from that this one is almost irrelevant. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mai

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Tyler Romeo
t; there are serious issues affecting us). > Password hashing, CSRF for anonymous users, the fact that we don't require TLS for logins... They all have bugs filed I believe. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whiz

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki-Vagrant: new features

2013-07-30 Thread Tyler Romeo
Ori I have a quick question. Would there be any way to have a quick method of switching PHP versions, specifically for testing purposes? Like "vagrant enable-role php5.4" or maybe it'd have it's own command. That way it's easy to test compatibility with other vers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-30 Thread Tyler Romeo
n the even more confusing question would be why assertions are enabled on an enterprise system... As for whether MW should use assertions, I don't remember/wasn't there for the original discussion, so I can't comment on that, although personally I don't see how they're that b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-30 Thread Tyler Romeo
tions in PHP do not have any performance overhead once they're turned off for production servers, so that won't be an issue either. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-30 Thread Tyler Romeo
ions to validate function input is indeed a valid usage, but it should be done in ways where they won't be hit. In other words, they should not be used for data validation; they should be used in cases where *the program expects the data to already be valid*. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens In

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
sert::greaterThan( $foo, $bar ) or something. > 1. It's fairly trivial to use assert_options() to make assertions throw exceptions if you really wanted to while developing. 2. Except it's not. Again, you're welcome to give an example where code provided as a string in an assertion

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
rs() can cause an XSS vulnerability if you pass it the wrong ENT_ constant. Should we just stop using htmlspecialchars() in case developers pass the wrong constant? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tyl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
I guess I just have more faith in our code review. Nonetheless, assert() provides an important functionality in being able to allow code checks that do not incur a performance penalty in a production environment. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of

[Wikitech-l] (no subject)

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
g into how to use it. Would there be any interest in setting up such a framework for automated security testing of MediaWiki? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
it, but I think it was abandoned). Also, the discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52283 is probably a blocker for enabled $wgSecureLogin (which would be a pre-requisite for either of the two above steps). *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Chris Steipp wrote: > 3) Serve all traffic via HTTPS > 4) With PFS and long HSTS timeouts > Indeed. I need to be more optimistic. :) The bug has been fixes as part of the new SUL code. Yay! Nice! *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology,

Re: [Wikitech-l] (no subject)

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
it doesn't have LDAP integration) or when we would run these tests (I'd imagine there wouldn't be a need to run them on every change). Thoughts? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.co

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
Like I've said before, the NSA spying on what users are reading is still the least of our concerns. We should focus on making sure passwords aren't sent over plaintext before attempting to evade a government-run international spy network. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technol

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
; HTTP/HTTPS switch in the Preferences page. We have one at the > registration/log-in page, but I'd like MediaWiki to remember that I want to > use HTTPS only. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52283 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47089 *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute

Re: [Wikitech-l] (no subject)

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
Sure thing: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52354 *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.w

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
ssage when replying. I was referring to the discussion about how TLS doesn't entirely solve the problem and that we should start adding random packets in order to prevent traffic analysis. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > The php.ini option assert.bail is 0 by default. So? It's the same way in Java. You have to turn on assertions. It's kind of natural to assume that if assertions are off the won't cause fatal errors. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* St

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
Also, on a side note, Facebook *just* made HTTPS the default: https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/secure-browsing-by-default/10151590414803920 *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is assert() allowed?

2013-07-31 Thread Tyler Romeo
gram, but generally are logically unexpected. You use assertions for things that will only break during development. It's not like the designers of C and Java just blindly put in a way to disable assertions but not exceptions. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 M

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE: why editing a paragraph opens the whole page?

2013-08-03 Thread Tyler Romeo
I think we can agree that VE has some performance considerations, but if you take a look at the bug report, it's explained why it would be so incredibly difficult to implement section editing. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Sc

[Wikitech-l] Web Form Accessibility

2013-08-04 Thread Tyler Romeo
though it might be interesting. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: > Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... > No coding needed at all. > This right here. It should be trivial to just have an admin restore the deleted file. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Ins

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discussions regarding archtitecture at Wikimania

2013-08-07 Thread Tyler Romeo
Unfortunately I won't be awake at 3am, but if at least a small portion of time could be spent discussing the AuthStack RFC I would be very, very happy. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com O

[Wikitech-l] DNSSEC Support (and maybe DANE)

2013-08-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
addition to CA verification). That is another thing we can consider. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list W

Re: [Wikitech-l] GMail sending lots of WIkimedia mail to spam again

2013-08-14 Thread Tyler Romeo
I'm a little confused: - Right now it appears our SPF records just say to allow everything (unless I should be checking something other than lists.wikimedia.org). - Why was the bug marked as WONTFIX if it was actually FIXED? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology,

Re: [Wikitech-l] GMail sending lots of WIkimedia mail to spam again

2013-08-14 Thread Tyler Romeo
Disregard the first point on that email. I misread the header. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > I'm a little confused: > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-16 Thread Tyler Romeo
be told why so we know why these changes haven't been applied yet. Can somebody from ops comment on this? Or do I have to sign up for yet another mailing list to find this out? *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-16 Thread Tyler Romeo
4 (which would have consequences), I'm saying why haven't other normal ciphers been enabled? I don't foresee us doing anything like "all HTTPS for everybody" anytime in the near future. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of

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