Re: [Wikitech-l] All Hands On Deck!

2015-01-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com Can we get a simple English version of the poetry there? As others have pointed out poetry doesn't translate well, but I've managed to come up with an interpretation that I hope is easy for a non-native speaker to

Re: [Wikitech-l] All Hands On Deck!

2015-01-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr Le 23/01/2015 09:11, littlewmfb...@yandex.com a écrit : Oh what a day! Which began when perforce a visitor from afar began to exhort snip https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-January/080300.html

Re: [Wikitech-l] I haven't looked lately...

2015-01-18 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com On 2015-01-18 5:29 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org ​Three quick examples of things on the horizon (I'm not particularly saying we'd actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

2015-01-18 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com I've been saying for over a year now we should just drop the 1. from the 1.x.y release versions. So the next release would be 25.0, 26.0, etc etc. Oh dear ghod, no. I already want to massacre the entire release management

[Wikitech-l] I haven't looked lately...

2015-01-18 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org ​Three quick examples of things on the horizon (I'm not particularly saying we'd actually do these for Wikimedia's use, but if you're going to ask for straw man arguments… :-)): - ​Get rid of wikitext on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

2015-01-15 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org On the leadership front, let me throw out a hypothetical: should we have MediaWiki 2.0, where we start with an empty repository and build up? If so, who makes that decision? If not, what is our alternative vision? Who is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org *contradicting the serious tone In my experiance, some wikipedians (esp. On enwiki) feel the wiki should have a very formal tone, and that share this links are out of place. Ive always wondered if thats partially

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-12-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org spambots. We just have to jump out of the existing captcha design band-wagon. Here are some ideas: Surely we can come up with a creative idea that is: * Easy for humans to solve * Can't be solved by out-of-the-box

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshedding a good name for the api.php API

2014-08-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I like api.php too, given that we refer to the old one as query.php. You are in a keynote session at OSCON introducing... which API? Please

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki now supports PBKDF2 and Bcrypt

2014-07-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com It is a matter of stability in PHP. Bcrypt has built-in support in PHP, as does PBKDF2, whereas scrypt requires an extension. It should be noted, however, that the patch that was merged implements an extensible password API,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Offline-l] The Whole Wikipedia in English with pictures in one 40GB big file

2014-03-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org PS: We really want to make a post @blog.wikimedia.org (so in English). If someone is volunteer to write this, I would really appreciate his help. If you write such a blog post in what English you have handy, I'd be happy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication (NVC). No, but I don't think it's an optimal choice of name. In my view, it's accusing of a malevolent motivation people who are not you, who may not *hold*

Re: [Wikitech-l] !ask

2014-01-19 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com I've used '!ask' a lot before but I'm going to stop. I hope others do the same. So really you're going for !!ask. !ask used to be more direct (some would say meaner) and I'm a little sad to see it go away, but I suppose

[Wikitech-l] HTML Storage for Wikidata (was Re: Revamping interwiki prefixes)

2014-01-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org Currently Flow is the only project using HTML storage. We are working on preparing this for MediaWiki proper though, so in the longer term the interwiki conflict issue should disappear. Where, by HTML storage I hope you

[Wikitech-l] L3 outage reports at Equinix Ashburn

2014-01-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
That's where we are, right? Some people on outages are reporting no-light on on-campus fibers*; if we see an uptick in problem reports this morning, that might be why. Cheers, -- jra * specifically DC2 to DC5 -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com

[Wikitech-l] OT: Happy Birthday, Wikipedia!

2014-01-15 Thread Jay Ashworth
The Paley Center for Media notes on Twitter that Wikipedia is 13 years old today. Thanks to Jimmy and He Who Shall Not Be Named, and to Brion, Tim, Mark and all the hundreds of other dev, ops, admin and outreach people who brought us to this point; each of you has made it possible for the tens of

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ken Snider ksni...@wikimedia.org After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review. My snap reaction, Ken,

Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions

2013-10-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions I'm curious which details you would like to see? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message

Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: One intermediate position might be for WMF to distribute virtual machine images I'd rather provide cloud-init scripts with instructions on how

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving anti-vandalism tools (twinkle, huggle etc) - suspicious edits queue

2013-09-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Much of the content on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia wikis comes from non-vested contributors. That is, many, many helpful additions and corrections come from people who will make only a few edits in their lifetime. While I

[Wikitech-l] In case you missed this:

2013-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
How many printers would it take to keep up with updates to Wikipedia? http://what-if.xkcd.com/59/ Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com The RFC currently seems to gloss over what problem is attempting to be solved here and what benefits a new URL structure might bring. I'd like to see a clearer statement of a problem and benefits to a switch, taking into

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com How about the following? Our current URL structure is extremely obtuse for non-technical users, and generally defies their expectations. To most people, en.wikipedia.org/Dogor even wikipedia.org/Dog should work

Re: [Wikitech-l] editsection styling

2013-09-01 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Lee Worden worden@gmail.com I ask because I've been producing editsection-like links for a long time in our extension project, with commas in between - for example a LaTeX document will come with a list of links like [log, pdf, dvi]. Maybe I should

Re: [Wikitech-l] You know, we really should shift to Windows

2013-08-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com http://www.rightscale.com/blog/cloud-cost-analysis/cloud-cost-analysis-how-much-could-wikipedia-save-cloud How many machines do we have right now? Couple hundred? What's a Win2008 server license going for? What percentage of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Zack Weinberg za...@cmu.edu The first step really must be to enable HTTPS unconditionally for everyone (whether or not logged in). I see on the roadmap that there is concern that this will lock out large groups of users, e.g. from China; a workaround simply

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com Thanks for taking the time to write these two emails. You raise an interesting point about having everything on one domain. I really don't think that's practical for political reasons (not to mention technical disruption), but

Re: [Wikitech-l] [outages] www.wikipedia.com from Level3 via IPv6 not working

2013-08-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org We had the same result in the Level3 looking glass, but while we were debugging it and trying to gather more info or hosts/networks affected, it started working again in the L3 LG as well. So it appears that the problem was

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
I will pass your approbation on to ESR :_) Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - From: Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:55:46 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php Can we all just agree that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Have production server access? Please read this document

2013-04-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org The Ops team has been working on a document about best practices with regards to production machines. If you have access to a production machine, please read this document

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
In case y'all missed this: - Forwarded Message - From: PRIVACY Forum mailing list priv...@vortex.com To: privacy-l...@vortex.com Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 3:10:01 PM Subject: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: New unified SSL certificate deployed

2013-03-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com Hey, Ryan; did you see, perhaps on outages-discussion, the after action report

Re: [Wikitech-l] New unified SSL certificate deployed

2013-03-13 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com We just finished deploying a new SSL certificate to the sites. Now all *.m and *. certificates are included in a single certificate, except mediawiki.org. Unfortunately we somehow forgot mediawiki.org when we ordered the updated

Re: [Wikitech-l] New unified SSL certificate deployed

2013-03-13 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com Hey, Ryan; did you see, perhaps on outages-discussion, the after action report from Microsoft about how their Azure SSL cert expiration screwup happened? What's the relevance here? Does ops have a procedure for avoiding

Re: [Wikitech-l] New unified SSL certificate deployed

2013-03-13 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com Can you just link to the discussion archive? Was a posting: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2013/03/01/details-of-the-february-22nd-2013-windows-azure-storage-disruption.aspx Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com Minification is a WMF cluster issue, not a MW software issue, is it not? Mediawiki minifies things regardless of if its being run by the WMF or somebody else. Ah; thanks. Have not looked at internals lately. Since

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com People will say any spurious bollocks What's the license on that observation, David? :-) Cheers, -- jr 'I wanna steal that' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com The Open Source Initiative doesn't seem to really like the idea: http://opensource.org/faq#cc-zero. A number of former and current contributors (notably Lee Daniel Crocker) have released their creative works and inventions

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Chris Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com This is based on a flawed reading of the GPL. The GPL covers the distribution of program code. The license specifically states that “The act of running the Program is not restricted”. (Furthermore: “Activities other than

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com Regarding GPL requisites, it seems clear that minified javascript is “object code” [1], which we can convey per section 6d [2], which is already possible if you know how the RL works, although we should probably provide those

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jack Phoenix j...@countervandalism.net Let me just state this for the record: I find copyright paranoia and associated acts, such as this very thread with 59 (and counting!) messages absurd, ridiculous and a complete waste of time. We note that you have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com Jack is not alone. The amount of bikeshedding on this list has reached truly epic proportions in the last couple of weeks...to the point where I've started ignoring the vast majority of the list (and I've always been an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org The minification process, however, does *not* cause a problem. We can simply add the comments to the file(s) after the minification. It does mean we'll need to include, potentially, multiple license headers in one HTTP

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com Yes, it will cause an issue. If that extra data is going in every reply, multiply its size by our replies per day count, won't you? I don't know what that number is, but I'm quite certain it's substantial. *Every

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com But WMF getting a license doesn't help everybody else who uses MW. Minification is a WMF cluster issue, not a MW software issue, is it not? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink

Re: [Wikitech-l] OpenID as a provider project page

2013-03-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com I wrote up some quick documentation on OpenID as a provider. Feel free to modify it, especially for inaccurately used terminology. It's also likely a good time to start bikeshed discussions on the urls, as I think it'll end up

Re: [Wikitech-l] switching to something better than irc.wikimedia.org

2013-03-01 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com I think a very light weight proxy that only passes subscribe commands to redis would work. A read only redis slave could be provided but I don't think it includes a way to limit what commands clients can run,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nagios is dead, long live icinga!

2013-02-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org Can you try with https now ? I had forgotten to reload apache when pushing out a change to the https config (to allow https without login). You can also use http. https://icinga.wikimedia.com is now confirmed accessible, yes.

Re: [Wikitech-l] cleaning database of spam

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com What is exact procedure of properly removing page from database so that it doesn't break anything? What needs to be deleted and in which order? maintenance/deleteArchivedRevisions.php permanently removes the content of

Re: [Wikitech-l] cleaning database of spam

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com You meant innodb_file_per_table Yes; I forgot the exact name, and tried (apparently unsuccessfully) to make that look as little like an exact parameter as possible. Happily, the OP runs that way anyway. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay

Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Juliusz Gonera jgon...@wikimedia.org On 02/20/2013 12:04 PM, Luke Welling WMF wrote: I am strongly of the opinion that within broad ranges deployment frequency does not matter. It really does not matter if you deploy twice an hour or every second

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nagios is dead, long live icinga!

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: As some may have noticed, we are phasing out nagios in favor of icinga ( https://www.icinga.org/ ) nagios.wikimedia.org now redirects to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nagios is dead, long live icinga!

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Liangent liang...@gmail.com nagios.wikimedia.org now redirects to icinga.wikimedia.org ! Please let us know if you notice anything that has broken or is inconsistent. So now there's no public view of server monitoring info?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nagios is dead, long live icinga!

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org Icinga is public. It may be, but that URL goes to an HTTPS Auth dialog, with nothing behind it if one cancels. Perhaps something was missed? -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nagios is dead, long live icinga!

2013-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com On Feb 26, 2013 11:25 PM, Matthew Bowker matthewrbowker.w...@me.com wrote: I hate to be that guy, but is it supposed to be password protected? Is there somewhere non-ops people can look for server status, or is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bringing OpenID as a provider to Wikimedia projects

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com I believe the OpenID extension is matured to the point where it's usable on the Wikimedia projects, acting as an OpenID provider. The extension still needs review and such, but I think it's a good time to discuss how we'd like to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bringing OpenID as a provider to Wikimedia projects

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com Any OpenID consumer, whether WMF or not, would be able to use us as an authentication provider. So, then, all OpenID guarantees is this provider says it's the same person it was last time? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bringing OpenID as a provider to Wikimedia projects

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com I see no reason in doing so. If third parties want to allow Wikimedia as a provider, I don't see why we'd object. There is no potential liability there? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bringing OpenID as a provider to Wikimedia projects

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org On 02/22/2013 10:44 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: There is no potential liability there? IANAL, but I can't think of a scenario where allowing a user to prove I am user X on Wikimedia projects can create liability

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bringing OpenID as a provider to Wikimedia projects

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - From: Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org On 02/22/2013 10:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: So, then, all OpenID guarantees is this provider says it's the same person it was last time? The exact semantics is, IIRC, that person has presented credential to us we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Corporate needs are different (RE: How can we help Corporations use MW?)

2013-02-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com 1. A desire for a department to have their own space on the wiki. I'm not talking about access control, but (1) customized look feel, and (2) ability to narrow searches to find articles only within that space. The closest

Re: [Wikitech-l] Integrating MediaWiki into MS SBS

2013-02-01 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Dan Andreescu dandree...@wikimedia.org The following manual seems to be the most actively maintained guide for getting MediaWiki installed on Windows: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Windows If you run into any problems, I'd

[Wikitech-l] New 1.20.2 install didn't prompt for license or private mode

2013-01-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
Is that stuff supposed to go after one chooses no, ask me more questions? Cause I was not asked *any* more questions. On a related story: if I give the installer a table prefix for which the tables already exist, what will it do? I have 3 wikis in the same DB, and I therefore cannot simply drop

Re: [Wikitech-l] The ultimate bikeshed: typos in commit messages

2013-01-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: . oscar.vi...@gmail.com It could be interesting (but I have no idea if is feasible), if git recognize automatically elements in a commit text, and colorize it on the terminal screen (or maybe bold it if the screen renders using truetype fonts). This way, if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on Ashburn data center switchover / migration – target date is week of 1/22/13

2013-01-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I have forwarded this to the Outages mailing list, so that people who want to know/get complaints about such things have advance warning

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on Ashburn data center switchover / migration – target date is week of 1/22/13

2013-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
I have forwarded this to the Outages mailing list, so that people who want to know/get complaints about such things have advance warning. Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - From: Ct Woo ct...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Development and

[Wikitech-l] What's our Bus Factor?

2013-01-09 Thread Jay Ashworth
It's the new year, and in light of the recent poll about which devs are working on what, let me make another, albeit vaguely macabre, suggestion: If you're a developer, or other staffer, can the people around you pick up the pieces if you get hit by a bus? How badly will it impact delivery and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we kill DBO_TRX? It seems evil!

2012-09-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.org If lock timeout throws an exception that closes the connection to mysql, at least that will result in a rollback. If the connection is pooled and reused, it can likely result in a commit. I would assert that if that's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Url Shortner Service

2012-03-23 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com That doesn't allow you to type wi.ki/en/Donut in order to open article, shortened url is also hard to remember Well, there's nothing for that. wi.ki/en/Donut is not a shortened URL... cause what if the article you were

Re: [Wikitech-l] Images in wikipedia

2012-02-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: nischay nahata nischay...@gmail.com When using wikipedia and clicking on an image it opens up on a new page. Wouldn't it be nice if it just scaled-up on the same page using JS. Is there an extension there for this? and if yes why not implemented on

Re: [Wikitech-l] JS load order, or: how to load a gadget before all others.

2012-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Thomas Schmidt schm...@netaction.de As you said, the preferred implementation would be something that's close to the parser and puts extra annotations (like span tags) in the parser-generated HTML You talk about up to several megabytes per page. It

Re: [Wikitech-l] Email notification sender

2012-01-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - From: Strainu strain...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 3:32:09 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Email notification sender 2012/1/3 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:09 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Based Open Source Project - Help On Licencing

2011-12-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 30/12/11 08:30, Dan Collins wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't need to be compatible or open-source right? GPL 2.0 section 2 b: b) You must cause any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla: Minor enhancements should not be tagged highest priority.

2011-12-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Dan Collins en.wp.s...@gmail.com On Bugzilla, bugs which are minor enhancements should not be tagged highest priority unless the priority is truly highest. This should certainly not be done en masse without personally reviewing the bug itself. Technological

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making the Lua/Javascript decision (Re: Performance roadmap update)

2011-12-23 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com Lua is great, however, it's a bit strange to use two interpreters (PHP+Lua) together. That limits hosting possibilities and it's something like using two similar screwdrivers for the same screw. Not really. Lua was

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making the Lua/Javascript decision (Re: Performance roadmap update)

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Peter Kaminski kamin...@istori.com I don't have anything particular against Lua and no particular love for JavaScript, but JS seems more web-native; plus code and skills developed can accrue to both client- and server-side of the web. Just so I'm clear:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org It's the exact same yellow as before, guys. The *exact* shade. This is the exact definition of a bikeshed argument. Feel free to move along. I don't see, Brandon, that Erwin suggested that it is not. But no,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com As they say on enwiki, [citation needed]. Well, we probably say {{citation-needed}}, but... :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org The yellow is *unchanged* Is this not what Erwin's on about? So. What was *supposed* to be a 15 minute task has now turned into a drama - over something I don't really care that much about anyways. Well, that's a sort

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com Green has a meaning of Go or of this is ok in many cultures. Making either side green gives a bias to the diff. Similarly with red. Red means Stop or this is not ok. Many people associate red with blood, and green with nature.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: * the only important thing about the colors is that the text is legible We could save this debate by just making them the same color. ;-)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Performance roadmap update

2011-12-15 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org So we've decided to defer our HipHop deployment until hhvm is at a suitable level of maturity. We don't know exactly when that will be, but Jason Evans says in the note linked above that the first 90% is done; now we're

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment process clarification?

2011-12-15 Thread Jay Ashworth
I nominate this posting for should be posted on meta. - Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment process clarification? On 15/12/11 12:05, Ian

Re: [Wikitech-l] LocalWiki released

2011-12-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Philip Neustrom phi...@localwiki.org http://localwiki.org We just did our first general-public software release. * Everything is stored as HTML5. We threw out wiki markup. I hope that works out well for you. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk On 13/12/11 21:27, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: That is really cool; at long last, the WYSIWYG editor is not just on its way, but looking really good! Once the wikitext parser (which is, of course, the hard part) is ready

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2011-12-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
Is this custom code? Or does BZ4 include it, and I simply haven't found it yet? Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - From: reporter repor...@kaulen.wikimedia.org To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:00:01 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki 2.0

2011-12-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org I think MediaWiki 2.0 should just be a renumbering, like Linux 2.6 - 3.0, rather than any kind of backwards compatibility break. I disagree. (You knew that was coming, right? :-) A major version number change

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki 2.0

2011-12-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org IMO a switch to a visual editor as the default editing environment would be sufficient to merit the 2.0 moniker. Heck, it'd be sufficient to get rid of the double square brackets in the logo. ;-) And either of those would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping the 'LATER' resolution in Bugzilla

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com The question is, when is LATER? Technically, these bugs are not open and so nobody will ever see them again and that's how they will be forgotten. I would assume that LATER is, in a release after this one... and that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who actually reads @wikimediatech ?

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels. Now that I know it's there, I'll certainly be reading it; thanks for the headsup. ;-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who actually reads @wikimediatech ?

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who actually reads @wikimediatech ?

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org Not silly at all. As a matter of fact, while you were writing that, I was registering @wikitechlog on both services, which I think is a better alternative for automated notifications. What you said. :-) Cheers, --

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping the 'LATER' resolution in Bugzilla

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Dan Collins en.wp.s...@gmail.com Do we want that second category to be resolved later? If so, we're going to be waiting a long time for people to come back with more details. Should bugs that are resolved later because the original requester or someone else

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dropping the 'LATER' resolution in Bugzilla

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com writes: Do we have a Target release in our BZ? We've begun using Milestones in Bugzilla for this. One of the milestones is Mysterious Future. I think you should feel free to use

[Wikitech-l] Torrus down?

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
torrus.wikimedia.org/torrus is 500 tonight; is that expected? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-l] MediaWiki 1.18.0 released

2011-11-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com Allow me to extend my personal thanks to everybody who helped out on development, testing, review, testing, deployment, testing, breaking, fixing, and releasing of MediaWiki 1.18. It's a big process but by golly we're still

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla vandalism

2011-11-23 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com On 23/11/11 06:46, trouble daemon wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: After fixing one bug, going to close another as a duplicate less than a minute after the previous save,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla vandalism

2011-11-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org Reverting hundreds of bug property changes was labour intensive. It points to the need for better tools to deal with malicious behaviour in Bugzilla. I looked into the possibility of writing an automated revert tool as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla vandalism

2011-11-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com Might there be some relatively easy way to hack rate limiting into the code? In general, except for triage WONTFIX runs, I shouldn't think any given user would need to comment on or status-change a bug more than about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please preload a space in the page for the banner

2011-11-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: jida...@jidanni.org S == Strainu strain...@gmail.com writes: S Otherwise they will just go on the AdBlockPlus list. No wonder Wikipedia ads are so irritating (besides making babies cry), they are the only ads on the net one still sees these days,

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