Re: [Wikitech-l] Conpherence enabled? (was [Wikitech-ambassadors] Tech newsletter (2015, week 19))
How do I prevent people from contacting me via this? On 6 May 2015 at 03:33, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Legoktm wrote: On 05/04/2015 08:07 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: * You can now chat with other users https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Conpherence in Phabricator. [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392 Uh, why? Where was this actually discussed with more than 4 people? We already have IRC and mailing lists, so why do we need yet another communication system? Are we going to be enabling Phriction next? Please turn it off. I briefly played around with Conpherence yesterday. I'm not sure I'd call it chat software and I'm not sure it's intended as such. It felt like forum software, from what I can tell. Initial pain points/oddities: * the conversations/threads don't auto-refresh * every message triggers a separate e-mail notification by default * messages can include fancier formatting, but it wasn't apparent how to preview a message before sending I'm inclined to agree that e-mail and IRC (and Phabricator's Maniphest with its quoting functionality and the wikis and the mailing lists and...) are sufficient for Wikimedia development. That said, I can understand the view of this being just another tool and, y'know, if you don't like it, don't use it and all that. I've re-opened the discussion at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392 as I think whether we enable Conpherence needs further thought and consideration. MZMcBride P.S. I'm also lightly reminded of Zawinski's law about every program expanding in size until it includes e-mail. :-) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Conpherence enabled? (was [Wikitech-ambassadors] Tech newsletter (2015, week 19))
Hi, I think Conpherence helps onboarding new contributors with profiles different to the rather homogeneous profile predominant in our technical communities (and well represented by the sample of people active in this thread and in the related Phabricator task -- myself included). I invite you to go beyond the 'yet another tool' initial reaction and think of the reasons beneath its election. It's an interesting and rather deep discussion about the usefulness of cozy private spaces for a diverse range of newcomers while they gain the skills and confidence to dive into our public channels. More on this at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392#1264689 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: How do I prevent people from contacting me via this? As of today, there is no way, just like there is no (sane) way of preventing unknown people from contacting you via email or IRC. You can point them to the right channels, point them to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Appropriate_uses_of_Conpherence , or simply ignore them. If someone wants to create a task for this request, we can discuss it in more detail there. I expect it to be less simple than it sounds, though. Removing a Send Message button from a user profile is simple, but things get more complicated when thinking of the details. On 6 May 2015 at 03:33, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Initial pain points/oddities: * the conversations/threads don't auto-refresh In theory they should, but there are some bugs identified upstream, and maybe our own instance needs fine-tuning. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97650 * every message triggers a separate e-mail notification by default You can set web notifications only -- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/conpherence/ * messages can include fancier formatting, but it wasn't apparent how to preview a message before sending Yes, this is a feature missing. I discussed it with the Phabricator maintainers months ago and they said that it was just legacy (Conpherence being developed before the preview feature). I have created https://secure.phabricator.com/T8088 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Conpherence enabled? (was [Wikitech-ambassadors] Tech newsletter (2015, week 19))
For the sake of open collaboration, please let's not encourage ways of communication that are non-standard for open source projects. PM on IRC should be more than enough for online 1:1 communications, while email is good enough for offline. GSoC is all about introducing more people to open collaboration, and Conpherence doesn't sound as if it's helping to accomplish this goal in any way. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Jamison Lofthouse jamison.loftho...@gmail.com wrote: Please no Phriction for obvious reasons ;). As for Conpherence it was more for the one-on-one conversations that are needed for GSoC and other mentor to student collaborations. Negative24 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:58 PM Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/04/2015 08:07 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: * You can now chat with other users https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Conpherence in Phabricator. [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392 Uh, why? Where was this actually discussed with more than 4 people? We already have IRC and mailing lists, so why do we need yet another communication system? Are we going to be enabling Phriction next? Please turn it off. -- Legoktm ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Conpherence enabled? (was [Wikitech-ambassadors] Tech newsletter (2015, week 19))
Please no Phriction for obvious reasons ;). As for Conpherence it was more for the one-on-one conversations that are needed for GSoC and other mentor to student collaborations. Negative24 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:58 PM Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/04/2015 08:07 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: * You can now chat with other users https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Conpherence in Phabricator. [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392 Uh, why? Where was this actually discussed with more than 4 people? We already have IRC and mailing lists, so why do we need yet another communication system? Are we going to be enabling Phriction next? Please turn it off. -- Legoktm ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Conpherence enabled? (was [Wikitech-ambassadors] Tech newsletter (2015, week 19))
On 05/04/2015 08:07 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: * You can now chat with other users https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Conpherence in Phabricator. [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91392 Uh, why? Where was this actually discussed with more than 4 people? We already have IRC and mailing lists, so why do we need yet another communication system? Are we going to be enabling Phriction next? Please turn it off. -- Legoktm ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
