Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-09 Thread Quim Gil
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:15 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Quim Gil wrote: Vector is the skin powering Wikipedia and hundreds of Wikimedia sites (and more), and for this reason changing anything there takes a lot of effort discussing and implementing (see Winter, and see several

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-08 Thread MZMcBride
Isarra Yos wrote: It should perhaps be noted that this seems a continuation on a general trend to avoid learning how to work with the communities and existing designs. It may be faster and less frustrating to simply sod off and do something new somewhere else, but this does not solve the existing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-07 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Jul 6, 2015 01:13, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, the links at the beginning, should not go directly to the projects in question, they should go to pages explaining how to use those projects in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/07/15 08:07, Quim Gil wrote: Sorry for my misunderstanding. Then we agree. Right now the proposal is to improve the API: namespace in mediawiki.org, instead of creating a new Dev: namespace in mediawiki.org. See and join

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-07 Thread Quim Gil
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/07/15 16:41, Quim Gil wrote: The problem I have with this reasoning is that we are not proposing a different skin for Wikipedia. This has nothing to do with skins. This is making another new site when we already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-06 Thread Quim Gil
I want to address Isarra's feedback (below), but before let me complete S's reply to Brian. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: In essence, this is an advertisement aimed at programmers not associated with the Wikimedia movement, to use various Wikimedia APIs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/07/15 16:41, Quim Gil wrote: The problem I have with this reasoning is that we are not proposing a different skin for Wikipedia. This has nothing to do with skins. This is making another new site when we already have sites that could serve this purpose, that are already /supposed/ to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-06 Thread S Page
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, the links at the beginning, should not go directly to the projects in question, they should go to pages explaining how to use those projects in question on the outside. Agreed, T104282 'Create landing pages

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-06 Thread Brian Wolff
On 7/6/15, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, the links at the beginning, should not go directly to the projects in question, they should go to pages explaining how to use those projects in question on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-05 Thread Brian Wolff
On 6/25/15, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://devhub.wmflabs.org is a prototype of the Data and developer hub, a portal and set of articles and links whose goal is to encourage third-party developers to use Wikimedia data and APIs. Check it out, your feedback is welcome! You can comment

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-07-02 Thread Isarra Yos
On 26/06/15 21:21, Quim Gil wrote: Note that probably the complementary side of your frustration is the frustration of designers and others trying to improve Wikimedia and its projects, only to find a strong resistance to change almost every time that fresh ideas are proposed. In our case here,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-26 Thread Luis Villa
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:53 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I also find the argument that anyone cares about the appearance of documentation over its content a bit insulting. I recommend reading [[Emotional Design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_Design]] and [[The Design of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-26 Thread S Page
Thanks for the feedback (seriously). On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:53 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: More to the point: why not just make dev.wikimedia.org a round robin that points to either https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Data or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-26 Thread Quim Gil
You have to think that the primary audience dev.wikimedia.org wants to attract is the big population of developers that want to build their own projects and know Wikipedia just as users. These developers will ask what Wikimedia can do for them before thinking what can they do for Wikimedia.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-26 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 26/06/2015 01:09, S Page ha scritto: Our competition for developer mindshare is sites like https://developers.google.com/ . Act fast when you see a new opportunity and monetize your web content with just a small snippet of JavaScript. vs Imagine a world in which every single human being

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-26 Thread MZMcBride
S Page wrote: http://devhub.wmflabs.org is a prototype of the Data and developer hub, a portal and set of articles and links whose goal is to encourage third-party developers to use Wikimedia data and APIs. Check it out, your feedback is welcome! You can comment on the talk page of the project

[Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

2015-06-25 Thread S Page
http://devhub.wmflabs.org is a prototype of the Data and developer hub, a portal and set of articles and links whose goal is to encourage third-party developers to use Wikimedia data and APIs. Check it out, your feedback is welcome! You can comment on the talk page of the project page