Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-26 Thread Chris McMahon
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 02/22/2013 09:38 PM, Chad wrote: So, I've seen this site tossed around quite a bit recently, and I'm curious: is there any plan to start integrating this jenkins and our other jenkins? Depends on what you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-25 Thread Željko Filipin
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: So, I've seen this site tossed around quite a bit recently, and I'm curious: is there any plan to start integrating this jenkins and our other jenkins? Plans exist, but I am pretty sure there are no deadlines. More

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-23 Thread Tim Landscheidt
(anonymous) wrote: But right now, I don't sense a huge amount of friction between the WMF's needs and the non-WMF MediaWiki-using community. The most that can be said is that the WMF is focused on its sites and doesn't make third party use a priority. This doesn't stop support for other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-22 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/22/2013 03:42 AM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: I am a bit unhappy that instead of a database, MySQL is used/preferred, but (after the last few bugfixes), PostgreSQL works, so I’m set. Please do not hesitate to file any bugs for things that don't work for you in PG. And if they aren't getting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-22 Thread Željko Filipin
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: - Where is QA? I mean, I know somewhere somebody is probably doing some sort of testing, but having worked as a QA engineer I haven't seen anything in MW that would resemble proper and traditional testing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-22 Thread Chad
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Željko Filipin zfili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Feel free to add features/scenarios to the backlog[2] in the meantime. Let me know if you need help with that. (Test results for our browser automation project are available[3] to everybody, by the way). [snip]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 02/22/2013 09:38 PM, Chad wrote: So, I've seen this site tossed around quite a bit recently, and I'm curious: is there any plan to start integrating this jenkins and our other jenkins? More importantly: is there any chance to get the results of these sorts of tests in Gerrit? I think it's

[Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
(Adding a couple of mailing lists so others can weigh in. Changing subject so those added aren't completely lost.) On 02/21/2013 11:55 AM, Quim Gil wrote: Ok, just a question as humble 3rd party MediaWiki user and technical volunteer coordinator at the WMF: is there a possibility to consider

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-02-21 1:40 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: (Adding a couple of mailing lists so others can weigh in. Changing subject so those added aren't completely lost.) On 02/21/2013 11:55 AM, Quim Gil wrote: Ok, just a question as humble 3rd party MediaWiki user and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/21/2013 12:50 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: Thus the use of unstablish releases on wikimedia allows for much more stable core releases. Thanks for pointing this out. I meant to say this, too. I guess the question I want other MediaWiki users to answer is: Are there any concerns that mitigate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread OQ
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: But right now, I don't sense a huge amount of friction between the WMF's needs and the non-WMF MediaWiki-using community. The most that can be said is that the WMF is focused on its sites and doesn't make third

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread Tyler Romeo
I'd like to see MediaWiki gain a more stable release process as well. I think some of the primary things that we're lacking are: - Where is QA? I mean, I know somewhere somebody is probably doing some sort of testing, but having worked as a QA engineer I haven't seen anything in MW that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread Chris McMahon
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see MediaWiki gain a more stable release process as well. I think some of the primary things that we're lacking are: - Where is QA? I mean, I know somewhere somebody is probably doing some sort of