Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-09 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 2012-06-06 00:19, Diederik van Liere wrote: A workflow where engineers have to bug a Gerrit admin to do something is a broken workflow: As something of an outsider/newcomer, I hear two very different stories. The first is the story of all the good

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-06 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 2012-06-06 00:19, Diederik van Liere wrote: A workflow where engineers have to bug a Gerrit admin to do something is a broken workflow: As something of an outsider/newcomer, I hear two very different stories. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Ori Livneh ori.liv...@gmail.com wrote: If it isn't easy, let's make it easy. I'm a new developer and not having a repository to develop in has been absolutely paralyzing. (I requested one on May 23, for what it's worth). Gerrit is not just an SCM: there is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Ori Livneh
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: I mostly agree with what you've said. Just wanted to point out gerrit projects (aka repos) can never be destroyed. so if you e.g. typo or rename a project or kill it 5 days after you started it's still there forever.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Diederik van Liere
Hi Ori, I absolutely 100% agree and we really need to sort this out this week. The lost productivity is unacceptable. So far I have heard different arguments why we cannot hand out 'create-repo rights' to engineers: The first reason was that only admin's could do it but that is not longer true

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Alolita Sharma
Hi Diederik, Ori, On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Ori, I absolutely 100% agree and we really need to sort this out this week. The lost productivity is unacceptable. It is unacceptable to have developers waiting in queue to get create-repo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: Now a new argument is unleashed and that is that we cannot delete repos. The fact that we cannot delete repos is a non-argument. None of us are going to create a bazillion repos. I was just pointing it out; I've no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Diederik van Liere
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: Now a new argument is unleashed and that is that we cannot delete repos. The fact that we cannot delete repos is a non-argument. None of us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: Now a new argument is unleashed and that is that we cannot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Ori Livneh
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: I was just pointing it out; I've no idea how gerrit behaves with lots of small+hidden repos. or with most of the repos in an instance hidden. Maybe it's not a problem. Some numbers here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: It is unacceptable to have developers waiting in queue to get create-repo access 'some day'. We've lost at least a couple of weeks worth of productivity in Ori's case (for E3) since he's been unable to firstly get

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Diederik van Liere
So the estimated maximum number of projects is 10.000, while the default maximum is 1.000. For contributors, the default maximum is 1.000 and the estimated maximum number is 50.000 Can we please tag this concern as addressed and start handing out the rights? Diederik On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:32

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Chad
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:40 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: It is unacceptable to have developers waiting in queue to get create-repo access 'some day'. We've lost at least a couple of weeks worth of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Chad
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: So the estimated maximum number of projects is 10.000, while the default maximum is 1.000. For contributors, the default maximum is 1.000 and the estimated maximum number is 50.000 Can we please tag this concern as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 05/06/12 14:13, Chad a écrit : I've whipped up a quick tutorial for people who want to create new repositories[0]. If people can read and make sure they understand this page (with its various caveats), then yes, we can start handing this out. -Chad [0]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Diederik van Liere
Did anyway say, Ask about it? I'm sure if you followed up with the one of the project creators (eg: chad) he would have been more than happy to push things along. I am sorry but I disagree. The question is not whether Chad or one of the Gerrit admin's will help us, because they are super

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Diederik van Liere
I've whipped up a quick tutorial for people who want to create new repositories[0]. If people can read and make sure they understand this page (with its various caveats), then yes, we can start handing this out. -Chad [0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Creating_new_repositories

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Platonides
On 01/06/12 17:41, Chad wrote: I did make a new Project Creators group that I'm more than willing to add people to, once they've learned Gerrit permissions. In addition, unless you make a group you're in the owner of the repo (which can't be done via the GUI, only the CLI--this is a bug),

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Alolita Sharma
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:40 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: It is unacceptable to have developers waiting in queue to get create-repo access 'some day'. We've lost at least a couple of weeks worth of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Alolita Sharma
Hey Chad, On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.comwrote: I've whipped up a quick tutorial for people who want to create new repositories[0]. If people can read and make sure they understand this page (with its various caveats), then yes, we can start

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Bergi
Platonides schrieb: On 01/06/12 17:41, Chad wrote: I did make a new Project Creators group that I'm more than willing to add people to, once they've learned Gerrit permissions. In addition, unless you make a group you're in the owner of the repo (which can't be done via the GUI, only the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Chad
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Bergi a.d.be...@web.de wrote: Platonides schrieb: On 01/06/12 17:41, Chad wrote: I did make a new Project Creators group that I'm more than willing to add people to, once they've learned Gerrit permissions. In addition, unless you make a group you're in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 2012-06-06 00:19, Diederik van Liere wrote: A workflow where engineers have to bug a Gerrit admin to do something is a broken workflow: As something of an outsider/newcomer, I hear two very different stories. The first is the story of all the good reasons why Linus Torvalds created git, how

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-05 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: As something of an outsider/newcomer, I hear two very different stories. The first is the story of all the good reasons why Linus Torvalds created git, how it is fully decentralized and asynchronous, and how bad it was to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-04 Thread Ori Livneh
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah, its not as easy as it sounds on the tin, so I don't want to hand this out en masse. In an ideal world, I want us to have a special page where people can request repos and we can automate the icky backend stuff. If

[Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-01 Thread Diederik van Liere
Hi all, Ryan Lane just showed me that in Gerrit there is a separate right for creating repositories. I suggest we give this right to all WMF engineers. A repo is free and fun and will prevent unnecessary delays. Best, Diederik ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-01 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: Ryan Lane just showed me that in Gerrit there is a separate right for creating repositories. I suggest we give this right to all WMF engineers. A repo is free and fun and will prevent unnecessary delays. For the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-01 Thread Chad
I don't want to give this right to all engineers because setting up new repositories is more than just choosing the name. There's also the issue of understanding how Gerrit permissions work so you can set them up properly. I did make a new Project Creators group that I'm more than willing to add

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-01 Thread Diederik van Liere
Could you please add David Schoonover and Andrew Otto to the Project Creators group? Best, Diederik On 2012-06-01, at 5:41 PM, Chad wrote: I don't want to give this right to all engineers because setting up new repositories is more than just choosing the name. There's also the issue of