Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote in message
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:59 AM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
I'm the first to add a vote to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259 ! Hope it gets
counted.
M SVN
On 12/12/10 11:39, Happy-melon wrote:
snip
I never really understood why they went into /maintenance/tests in the first
place.
Maxsem moved them with r61945 :
Moved tests to maintenance - one directory less to care about when
configuring access.
On 7 December 2010 19:43, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 December 2010 20:08, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the hint to use sparse checkouts applies this way, too… You can
omit the testing directories from your checkout, and even subsequent
SVN updates
On 08/12/10 01:39, Platonides wrote:
We can provide them gzipped and require them with compress.zlib://
prepended to the filename.
Means more CPU usage which is bad for the planet we are living on :-b
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I think the idea that only people intending to do development work on
MediaWiki download from SVN is a bit insane. And as you note, these tests
are only going to grow in size over time.
This whole discussion is bringing an analogy to a PHP framework that I'm using
a lot now, symfony [1].
I'm the first to add a vote to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259 ! Hope it gets
counted.
M SVN is convenient for installations and upgrades. That's certainly
M why I use it.
Me too. Please move all the expert testing stuff to a different place
where the experts can use an expert
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:59 AM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
I'm the first to add a vote to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259 ! Hope it gets
counted.
M SVN is convenient for installations and upgrades. That's certainly
M why I use it.
Me too. Please move all the expert
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
The consensus is that they're not moving it out of /trunk/phase3.
s/they/we/
(not sure why I left myself out of this...)
-Chad
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On 07/12/10 04:11, Chad wrote:
I think the easiest solution is to just tweak the make-release
script to exclude the tests directory (wherever we end up
putting it).
It might be handy to get the test suites deployed on as many hosts as
possible. This would let users run the test right out of
On 07/12/10 14:59, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
M SVN is convenient for installations and upgrades. That's certainly
M why I use it.
Me too. Please move all the expert testing stuff to a different place
where the experts can use an expert command to fetch it, and stop
bloating we regular
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
On 07/12/10 04:11, Chad wrote:
I think the easiest solution is to just tweak the make-release
script to exclude the tests directory (wherever we end up
putting it).
It might be handy to get the test suites deployed on
On 07/12/10 18:51, Chad wrote:
snip
If we do go that route, we should additionally package
the tests for those that would like to download them.
Sounds good to me :-b
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On 7 December 2010 14:59, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
Me too. Please move all the expert testing stuff to a different place
where the experts can use an expert command to fetch it, and stop
bloating we regular WikiSysops SVN updates. Thanks.
Well, the hint to use sparse checkouts applies this
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
But a other option is to add a second download option where people can
download mediawiki with only EN and make tarballs for all languages
available so people can add the languages they want. Maybe something that
can be
On 7 December 2010 20:08, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the hint to use sparse checkouts applies this way, too… You can
omit the testing directories from your checkout, and even subsequent
SVN updates will skip them. After checkout, just call
svn up --set-depth exclude
Offhand suggestion: can we pack/compress the language files in a way that
keeps them smaller on the server but leaves them usable?
-- brion
On Dec 7, 2010 10:42 AM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Huib Laurens
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:
Offhand suggestion: can we pack/compress the language files in a way that
keeps them smaller on the server but leaves them usable?
-- brion
I thought about that yesterday. Even if we compress them, they are 11
MB in gzip and
Brion Vibber wrote:
Offhand suggestion: can we pack/compress the language files in a way that
keeps them smaller on the server but leaves them usable?
-- brion
We can provide them gzipped and require them with compress.zlib://
prepended to the filename.
That will work magically™ as far as
* Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com [Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:12:58 +0300]:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:
Offhand suggestion: can we pack/compress the language files in a way
that
keeps them smaller on the server but leaves them usable?
-- brion
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Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
On 06/12/10 05:56, MZMcBride wrote:
I filed bug 26259, MediaWiki bloated with test suites:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259
RobLa asked me to send an e-mail to wikitech-l about this bug. It's my view
that checking out MediaWiki from SVN should not
On 6 December 2010 08:47, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
- I want to be able to commit a bug fix + associated tests in one
revision without having to fetch the whole phase3 tree.
You don’t have to. Subversion supports (since 1.5?) sparse checkouts
On 6 December 2010 08:11, Q overlo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think better time would be spent decoupling all the languages. Out
the 57 megs for an svn export, 41 is the languages directory. Distribute
the Big $foo, where $foo is some reasonable number of major languages,
and offer the rest as a
Niklas Laxström wrote:
Besides, it feels silly to talk about this, while we simultaneously
talk about including some of the most common extensions in the name of
providing feature complete MediaWiki straight from the box--which is a
goal I agree with.
I wouldn't say it's silly. If a very
On 6 December 2010 12:08, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 December 2010 08:47, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
- I want to be able to commit a bug fix + associated tests in one
revision without having to fetch the whole phase3 tree.
You don’t have to. Subversion
Hi all,
concerning the selenium part of the tests, I suggest to treat functional tests
and regression tests differently:
* The framework and test runner should remain in maintenance/tests, since it
provides a testing infrastructure for MW
* We are working on a MediaWiki smoke test which makes
On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:12 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote:
On 6 December 2010 08:11, Q overlo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think better time would be spent decoupling all the languages. Out
the 57 megs for an svn export, 41 is the languages directory. Distribute
the Big $foo, where $foo is some reasonable
Hi!
MediaWiki is famous because its almost supported in all languages that's
something other wiki software don't have, lets not try to remove that. So I
think the main bundle should be mediawiki with *all* languages.
But a other option is to add a second download option where people can
download
Niklas Laxström wrote:
This suggestion seems to come up from time to time. I feel it is
unrealistic. First of all we can't remove them from svn, since they
have to be there. We could remove them from the tarballs, but please,
last time I checked the tarball was hardly over 12 megs. Even with
It probably would not be too hard to make an extension to do just that. Just
modify ExtensionDistributor.
-X!
On Dec 6, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Niklas Laxström wrote:
This suggestion seems to come up from time to time. I feel it is
unrealistic. First of
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Niklas Laxström wrote:
This suggestion seems to come up from time to time. I feel it is
unrealistic. First of all we can't remove them from svn, since they
have to be there. We could remove them from the tarballs, but
MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com writes:
Even if we could say that most users downloading from SVN are
interested in development, I don't see how that extends to saying that
test suites are required for development. You've lost me.
If a developer breaks a test, ze[1] should fix it. As the tests
On 06/12/10 09:07, MZMcBride wrote:
The maintenance directory has maintenance tools in it. I don't think test
suites fall within the category of maintenance. Like large artwork files,
these seem to be development tools that shouldn't be downloaded with every
phase3 checkout.
On the second
On 6 December 2010 17:02, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Niklas Laxström wrote:
A few days ago the issue came up where I was talking with an end user
who was complaining about MediaWiki being too large (in the server, not
in the tarball) compared to other apps like wordpress.
I think
Niklas Laxström wrote:
On 6 December 2010 17:02, Platonides wrote:
Niklas Laxström wrote:
A few days ago the issue came up where I was talking with an end user
who was complaining about MediaWiki being too large (in the server, not
in the tarball) compared to other apps like wordpress.
I
Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com writes:
Even if we could say that most users downloading from SVN are
interested in development, I don't see how that extends to saying that
test suites are required for development. You've lost me.
If a developer breaks a test, ze[1]
I strongly disagree with removing tests from the /trunk/phase3
directory. They should be there, though they may be thrown out on the
release. Maybe introduce a production branch where the phase3 is
mirrored without development stuff?
--vvv
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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
I strongly disagree with removing tests from the /trunk/phase3
directory. They should be there, though they may be thrown out on the
release. Maybe introduce a production branch where the phase3 is
mirrored without
* Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com [Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:11:19 -0500]:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com
wrote:
I strongly disagree with removing tests from the /trunk/phase3
directory. They should be there, though they may be thrown out on
the
release. Maybe
* Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com [Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:46:53 +0100]:
Hi!
MediaWiki is famous because its almost supported in all languages
that's
something other wiki software don't have, lets not try to remove that.
So I
think the main bundle should be mediawiki with *all* languages.
Hi.
I filed bug 26259, MediaWiki bloated with test suites:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259
RobLa asked me to send an e-mail to wikitech-l about this bug. It's my view
that checking out MediaWiki from SVN should not include files that most
users do not need or want. These
On 06/12/10 15:56, MZMcBride wrote:
Hi.
I filed bug 26259, MediaWiki bloated with test suites:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259
RobLa asked me to send an e-mail to wikitech-l about this bug. It's my view
that checking out MediaWiki from SVN should not include files
Tim Starling wrote:
On 06/12/10 15:56, MZMcBride wrote:
I filed bug 26259, MediaWiki bloated with test suites:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26259
RobLa asked me to send an e-mail to wikitech-l about this bug. It's my view
that checking out MediaWiki from SVN should not
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