Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiDev17 Collaboration topic (Re: Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?)

[C. Scott Ananian]

I edited the topic on wiki (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiDev17/Topic_ideas#Collaboration) a
little bit, to separate out the "Technical Collaboration" and "Editor
Collaboration" pieces a bit.  Both are interesting, although I feel like
the target audiences would diverge greatly.  It would be most interesting
to explore how those subtopics could be profitably combined -- why not
dogfood our own tools to do code review with the same mechanisms we use to
review wikitext diffs? -- but I admit that may well be a step too far.
Perhaps simple juxtaposition at the summit will accomplish the desired
cross-fertilization.

It is perhaps unfortunate that we have an existing team named
"Collaboration".  It creates a whiff of toe-stepping and cookie-licking
danger to have a topic eponymous with an existing team.  The page you cite (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Collaboration) is actually quite useful in
distinguishing the broad idea of "collaboration" from the actual remit (and
great work!) of the currently-constituted team.

Part of why I suggested this summit topic was that I felt that a proper
response to its challenge would of necessity be *cross team* and *whole
org*.  I think our individual parsing, editing, reading, collaboration, etc
teams do a reasonable job setting their own goals.  But what is missing is
the sort of discussion and decision-making that can occur at a broad
summit, where we reconcile (for example):

* improvements to discussion pages (collaboration team)
* real-time collaborative editing (editing team)
* the introduction of "user groups" backing WikiProjects to the core DB
(mythical "core team")
* broading the notion of "a revision" in core DB (mythical "core team")
* real-time reading (reading team)
* social factors in UX to preserve and strengthen and diversify our
community and stop harassment (community engagement, design teams)
* existing workflow mechanisms and projects (collaboration team, mythical
wikiedu team)
* better diff tools (collaboration team + editing team)
* draft namespace/merge tools (i don't think anyone owns this)

So perhaps naming the topic "Collaboration" is as much a mistake as it
would be to name a topic "Editing", "Discovery", "Reading", etc.---although
I don't have another name to propose---since the goal for a summit topic
should be to identify opportunities to solve problems which have proven
difficult to resolve with only smaller-scale collaboration inside our
existing team structures.  To identify fixed points of consensus upon which
we can, Atlas-like, shift the entire organization. :)
  --scott

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Rob Lanphier  wrote:

> Scott suggested the following as one of three suggested topic ideas
> for WikiDev17.  The three ideas:
> 1) Collaboration
> 2) Wikitext Maintenance
> 3) Machine Translation
>
> More inline about "1) Collaboration" below:
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:05 AM, C. Scott Ananian
>  wrote:
> > *1. *(A unified vision for) *Collaboration*
> >
> >- Real-time collaboration (not just editing, but chatting, curation,
> >patrolling)
> >- WikiProject enhancements: User groups, finding people to work with,
> >making these first class DB concepts
> >- Civility/diversity/inclusiveness, mechanisms to handle/prevent
> >harassment, vandalism, trolling while working together
> >- Real-time reading -- watching edits occur in real time
> >- Integration with WikiEdu
> >- Broadening notion of "an edit" in DB -- multiple contributors,
> >possibly multiple levels of granularity
> >- Tip-toeing toward "draft"/"merge" models of editing
> >- Better diff tools: refreshed non-wikitext UX, timelines, authorship
> >maps, etc.
>
> I've copied this wholesale into the "Collaboration" area on
> [[WikiDev17/Topic ideas]], and quoted it directly here:
> 
>
> Let's use this thread to focus on this part of Scott's proposal.  A
> lot of these seems in scope for the Wikimedia Collaboration team.
> Does the scope that you're thinking of align with what the team has
> published on their page:
> 
>
> Rob
> (p.s. please feel free to start separate threads with the other parts
> of Scott's proposal)
>
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[Wikitech-l] WikiDev17 Collaboration topic (Re: Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?)

[Rob Lanphier]

Scott suggested the following as one of three suggested topic ideas
for WikiDev17.  The three ideas:
1) Collaboration
2) Wikitext Maintenance
3) Machine Translation

More inline about "1) Collaboration" below:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:05 AM, C. Scott Ananian
 wrote:
> *1. *(A unified vision for) *Collaboration*
>
>- Real-time collaboration (not just editing, but chatting, curation,
>patrolling)
>- WikiProject enhancements: User groups, finding people to work with,
>making these first class DB concepts
>- Civility/diversity/inclusiveness, mechanisms to handle/prevent
>harassment, vandalism, trolling while working together
>- Real-time reading -- watching edits occur in real time
>- Integration with WikiEdu
>- Broadening notion of "an edit" in DB -- multiple contributors,
>possibly multiple levels of granularity
>- Tip-toeing toward "draft"/"merge" models of editing
>- Better diff tools: refreshed non-wikitext UX, timelines, authorship
>maps, etc.

I've copied this wholesale into the "Collaboration" area on
[[WikiDev17/Topic ideas]], and quoted it directly here:


Let's use this thread to focus on this part of Scott's proposal.  A
lot of these seems in scope for the Wikimedia Collaboration team.
Does the scope that you're thinking of align with what the team has
published on their page:


Rob
(p.s. please feel free to start separate threads with the other parts
of Scott's proposal)

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