[Wikitech-l] Deletion schema proposal: Bug 55398

2013-10-18 Thread Nathan Larson
. This will render the archive table obsolete, so it can be deprecated/eliminated. I would like to code this for v1.23. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55398 Thanks. -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Page title length

2013-10-24 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Élie Roux elie.r...@telecom-bretagne.euwrote: Dear MediaWiki developers, I'm responsible for the development of a new Wiki that will contain many Tibetan resources. Traditionnaly, Tibetan titles of books or even parts of books are extremely long, as you can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Page title length

2013-10-24 Thread Nathan Larson
://danielfriesen.name/] Reposted to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_title_size_limitations . -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant to the CC0 licensehttp://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural leadership in Wikimedia's technical community

2013-11-05 Thread Nathan Larson
before 2013. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte/RFCs_sorted_by_%22updated%22_date -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant to the CC0 licensehttp://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-09 Thread Nathan Larson
Why not make assigning bugs work sort of like FlaggedRevs -- as a new user, you can make changes, but the changes won't take effect until they're reviewed and approved? After a bureaucrat sees that you're behaving responsibly, or after you've made a certain number of changes that have been

[Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

2013-11-13 Thread Nathan Larson
. ;) ) -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant to the CC0 licensehttp://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

2013-11-14 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: With my hat of third party wiki admin I personally agree with all this. Another possibility further down in the roadmap: Imagine a World in which you could transclude in your wiki content from a subset of this interwiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Issue

2013-11-14 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: The issue seems to be confined to Wikipedia. I am not seeing it affect Mediawiki.org Additionally the issue seems to be affecting more than just the English language Wikipedia. The lojban language

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

2013-11-16 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: As mentioned by Mark and quoted in my email, http://wikiapiary.com/ could be a good starting point. Just improvising a hypothetical starting point for a process to maintain the decentralized interwiki table: In order to

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

2013-11-16 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Nathan Larson nathanlarson3...@gmail.comwrote: Do we really need to set criteria for a wiki being a candidate? Are we trying to keep the number of approved interwiki links down? I had in mind just letting everyone have a prefix and a URL that we would

[Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-17 Thread Nathan Larson
away. Spam is a form of vandalism, so it would fall under the duties of patrollers. At Wikipedia, RecentChanges patrollers are expected to be on the lookout for spam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_changes_patrol#Spam -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Larson
To aggregate some of the arguments and counter-arguments, I posted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/The_dofollow_FAQ and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Costs_and_benefits_of_using_nofollow. It does seem, from my googling of what the owners of smaller wikis have to say about it, that nofollow

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 11/18/2013 09:46 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: I do think the implications of changing how nofollow is applied are very different on, say, Wikipedia than they would be on a small or even medium-sized wiki As I said

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we see mw 1.22 today?

2013-11-29 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Sen Slybe kik...@gmail.com wrote: It's very excited to upgrade for the new version,so I can final have a try for the visual editor... Is here not suppose ask this kind question ,I sorry if that's so.I just really like mediawikii and WANA thx for you hard work

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we see mw 1.22 today?

2013-11-29 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Sen kik...@gmail.com wrote: i wana to,but i dont know any easy way to switch the version,the upgrade for me is use the patch,but i mod some system file,so if everytime i need to change them,that's seems pretty crazy.. If you're finding you need to hack

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

2013-11-29 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/29/13, Sen kik...@gmail.com wrote: i know it's depend the mediawiki language,but can i change it by my own?i use chinese mediawiki,but i wana the mediawiki signature time format use english. sorry again,if

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

2013-11-29 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: There's two internationalization changes in play here. First of all, month names get translated. This is something that you cannot change without modifying core (as far as I know). Actually what am I talking about.

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

2013-11-29 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Sen Slybe kik...@gmail.com wrote: This's my first time talk at a open source mail list,I got say this is very feel great,I personally use mediawiki to record what I seeing,what I think,I really like it,maybe first it's kind hard to learn like about the wired

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

2013-12-05 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a good medium for it. There used to be a Technology report but I've not seen it for a while... Dan BRION, they called it.

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan Larson
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I can definitely understand the reasoning behind this. Right now with both Gadgets and common.js we are allowing non-reviewed code to be injected directly into every page. While there is a bit of trust to be had

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan Larson
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: In this case we should promptly work to fix this issue. To be honest, the only difficult part of our code review process is having to learn Git if you do not already know how to use it. If there were a way to submit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Or perhaps he merely suggested something that you disagreed with (or didn't understand), without losing [his] mind or being a troll? I'm a little skeptical about Jeroen's GitHub suggestion, but it seems like something

Re: [Wikitech-l] FW: Mass file undeletion tools?

2013-12-30 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W. jaroslaw.w.tuszyn...@leidos.com wrote: Lately someone deleted 70 pages from the middle of several thousand page Russian encyclopedia used by Wikisource. Everything was done by the book: since the uploader forgot to add a license and did

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

2014-01-01 Thread Nathan Larson
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or CAPTMCA soon enough. There are likely a number of strings that should be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

2014-01-04 Thread Nathan Larson
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or

[Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

2014-01-13 Thread Nathan Larson
to make what we are passionate about a reality, to the extent that's possible given the resources at hand. Thanks, -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

2014-01-13 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Id say that http://getwiki.net/-GetWiki:1.0 was similar to your superset concept (minus the merging part) Yeah, per WikiIndex http://wikiindex.org/GetWiki, Instead of red links, GetWiki uses green links to point to articles

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

2014-01-14 Thread Nathan Larson
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.orgwrote: That's not the case. There are components for software the WMF does not use. This ranges from major projects like Semantic MW to one-off extensions that WMF does not have a use for (e.g. Absentee Landlord) to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

2014-01-16 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM, This, that and the other at.li...@live.com.au wrote: I can't say I care about people reading through the interwiki list. It's just that with the one interwiki map, we are projecting our internal interwikis, like strategy:, foundation:, sulutil:, wmch: onto

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

2014-01-16 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I think the interwiki map should be retired. I think broken links should be removed from it, and no new wikis should be added. Interwiki prefixes, local namespaces and article titles containing a plain colon

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM, go moko gom...@yahoo.com wrote: What if filling the interwiki table with predefined links was an installation option, possibly with several lists, and void? Probably won't (and shouldn't) happen, since we're trying to keep the installer options close to the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan Larson
I forgot to mention, another problem is that you can't even import Wikipedia: namespace pages to your wiki without changing your interwiki table to get rid of the wikipedia: interwiki prefix first. The importer will say, Page 'Wikipedia:Sandbox' is not imported because its name is reserved for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I tested the existing process by creating a new riseup.net email account via Tor, then requesting account creation and a global exemption via stewa...@wikimedia.org. My account creation request was granted, but for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would allow a motivated person to reset their identity and go undetected provided they avoid the kind of articles and behaviors they got in trouble over in the first place. It's not clear to me that the consequences

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-complicated way to display configuration for a given wiki?

2014-01-24 Thread Nathan Larson
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.dewrote: Hi, to test changes to operations/mediawiki-config, I'd like to display the settings for a given wiki. So far I figured out: | ?php | $IP = 'wmf-config'; | $cluster = 'pmtpa'; | require

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

2014-02-01 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Your scenario is based on the premise that Wikipedia vandals care enough about vandalizing Wikipedia that they would get in their car (assuming they're old enough to have a license), drive to the nearest Starbucks,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-05 Thread Nathan Larson
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: For example, MZMcBride, what if your password is wiki, and somebody compromises your account, and changes your password and email. You don't have a committed identity, so your account is now unrecoverable. You now have to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-02-06 Thread Nathan Larson
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: 1) As I understand it, the reason we went from 0 to 1 character required is spammers were actively trying to find accounts with no password so they could edit with an autoconfirmed account. We rely on number of

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC discussion Friday 14 Feb: TitleValue

2014-02-11 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: The discussion will be in #wikimedia-office at 13:00 UTC on Friday the 14th: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=RFC+reviewiso=20140214T14p1=37ah=1 Cool, now I have something to tell

[Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

2014-05-03 Thread Nathan Larson
.) that are, by default, different from one wiki to the next; what is the logic for making an exception for the meta namespace? -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

2014-05-03 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 May 2014 05:38, Nathan Larson nathanlarson3...@gmail.com wrote: 4) We don't have any other namespace names (User, Template, etc.) that are, by default, different from one wiki to the next; what is the logic

Re: [Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

2014-05-03 Thread Nathan Larson
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: This proposal makes no sense: all these namespaces _are_ dependent on wiki language, so even if you force Project down the throats of non-English users, project talk would still be e.g. Project_ахцәажәара for Abkhazian

Re: [Wikitech-l] Priorities in Bugzilla

2012-11-28 Thread Nathan Larson
sure this meets the criteria for a highest priority bug? and then linking to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla/Fields#Priority ? -- Nathan Larson 703-399-9376 http://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-05 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: What about removing the LATER resolution from our Bugzilla? It feels like sweeping reports under the carpet. If a team is convinced that something won't be addressed any time soon then they can WONTFIX. If anybody feels

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-13 Thread Nathan Larson
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.orgwrote: On 11/13/2012 11:54 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: Once no RESOLVED LATER tickets remain, I can remove the resolution. Silence means approval. No it doesn't. The above exchange really confuses me. I'm not