Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Harold Bledsoe
When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: -Layer2/3/4

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Jason Hensley
Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original question, what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an answer my spam filter must have gotten it. NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, no firewalling, no routing, etc

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread canopy
From lots of experience, I can tell you that you are just going to have to test it with your configuration. Each version of Mikrotik is different and can radically affect performance. They make so many changes that aren't included in the changelog, you have no idea if they made a change to NAT

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Mac Dearman
If you aren't doing wireless then 40Mbps should be easily achievable. If you don't gets the expected results then kill connection tracking in the firewall and retest. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent:

[WISPA] great FAQ on the difference between dB and dBi/dBm

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/14091 I hate to admit this, but I often get these mixed up (sort of like centripetal and centrifugal force!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] great FAQ on the difference between dB and dBi/dBm

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
The article was good for our industry. There are tons of absolute dB readings like dBuV, dBrnc0 and dBspl. I always explain it as simply a logarithmic way of stating a measuring unit like power or force. You could have dBmpg (miles per gallon) if you wanted. A naked dB by itself is

Re: [WISPA] great FAQ on the difference between dB and dBi/dBm

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: The article was good for our industry. There are tons of absolute dB readings like dBuV, dBrnc0 and dBspl. I always explain it as simply a logarithmic way of stating a measuring unit like power or force. You could have dBmpg (miles per gallon) if you wanted. A

[WISPA] Switch Questions

2008-07-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Does anyone know of a switch with GigE ports and the capability for 10GigE uplinks without routing? I want a switch that can upgrade the core links when necessary, but not wanting one that routes because I'm under the impression that Layer 3 switches don't perform well. -- Mike

Re: [WISPA] great FAQ on the difference between dB and dBi/dBm

2008-07-16 Thread Jack Unger
Yes. The page is VERY well written. It sounded almost word-for-word like the way I've been teaching this concept (along with many others) to the WISP industry since 2001. Rogelio wrote: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/14091 I hate to admit this, but I often get these mixed up (sort of

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-16 Thread reader
Sure I'm trolling, Ryan. Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups. See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a small business. And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or sewage companies. And then remind me

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-16 Thread Jack Unger
delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I'm trolling, Ryan. Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups. See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a small business. And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-16 Thread David E. Smith
Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By publicly posting that you're deleting an email, you in fact draw more attention to it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!

[WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Why don't you share your CV? (I have just completed the start up of by 28th business. Never had a bankruptcy. Never have had an employee miss a paycheck. And estate planning is something that is increasingly taking more of my time these days.) So mister expert on all things business and

Re: [WISPA] great FAQ on the difference between dB and dBi/dBm

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: The article was good for our industry. There are tons of absolute dB readings like dBuV, dBrnc0 and dBspl. I always explain it as simply a logarithmic way of stating a measuring unit like power or force. You could have dBmpg (miles per gallon) if you wanted. A

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-16 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By

Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due

2008-07-16 Thread Jack Unger
Thanks David E. Smith wrote: Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By publicly posting that you're deleting an email, you in fact draw more attention to it. David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Barnes
Why don't you Not. I have enough junk mail don't need that as well. If muddy and chuck have issues cant they be aired elsewhere then this list. I have yet to see one exchange between these two that have been valuable to my business. I need positive help and advice not back biting and my dog is

Re: [WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread reader
Wondering why someone would start 28 businesses. But, whatever the case, I think I grasp the relevant facts here... There's a few people here who have Rockefeller envy... they want to be 'titans of industry and to them, that means playing in the sandbox with public money, high roller

Re: [WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
You are correct. I apologize. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] muddy frog Why don't you Not. I have enough junk mail don't need that as well. If muddy

[WISPA] 4.9 EIRP rules

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
I'm looking for something simple that breaks down the PtP/PtMP EIRP rules fro the FCC on the 4.9 GHz band, but haven't found anything on google. Does anyone have a good resource on this? I have a 5 mi LOS link and I want to see what I can do 4.9/wifi-wise to push about 20Mbps traffic upstream

Re: [WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread lakeland
OMG. What freakin rock did you crawl out from under?? Do the list a favor and crawl back under it. If you need help lifting the rock up...let me know. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:45:01 To: WISPA

[WISPA] Enough is Enough

2008-07-16 Thread Charles Wyble
Alright. Enough is enough. List moderator, Is it possible to control this? Can this thread be shutdown? Not sure if the participants in this highly unproductive flame war should be banned ( and for what time period) but this is getting ridiculous and incredibly distracting. All, I am on

Re: [WISPA] muddy frog

2008-07-16 Thread Blake Bowers
I have sort of enjoyed this thread - BUT, here you launch off into something you know nothing about. Chuck McCown is the general manager (And I suspect part owner) of Beehive telephone. The CEO of Beehive is Art Brothers -and a better telecom businessman I don't think you will ever find. I

Re: [WISPA] 4.9 EIRP rules

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Rogelio wrote: I'm looking for something simple that breaks down the PtP/PtMP EIRP rules fro the FCC on the 4.9 GHz band, but haven't found anything on google. Someone told me that they follow the same ones as the 2.4 GHz ISM band for PtP and PtMP rules. (Haven't yet confirmed this yet)

Re: [WISPA] end of thread

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: From his website I find the following; Together, [the two of them, Doug and Mark] we have more than 15 years of collective experience in PC building, service, updates, and repair, as well as internet networking, and connectivity services. Don't know about you, but I

Re: [WISPA] end of thread

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
;-) Dang, that could be considered a reply, couldn't it. Must stop. Must not press send - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] end of thread Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

Re: [WISPA] end of thread

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: ;-) Dang, that could be considered a reply, couldn't it. Must stop. Must not press send On a somewhat more serious note, this list has been great. The few snide remarks I see here are far outweighed by really cool people, many of which I've met offline and in

Re: [WISPA] end of thread

2008-07-16 Thread George
Ryan and all A lot of the WISPA members are not subscribed to the open public list for this reason. There is a members only list that as far back as I can remember has never had an argument or flame. Also we will work with froggy to make sure it's controlled on this list. I hate having to take

[WISPA] Cat5

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Nash
We're deploying on a new tower. I'm considering putting 25-pair outdoor cat5 (175'). Anyone have cable they like to use? Anyone have any extra you purchased that you'd like to sell? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax

[WISPA] PDX commuter rail wi-fi bid

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/07/15/portland-commuter-rail-wi-fi-out-to-bid/ Anyone in the northwest area going to take a crack at bidding on this project? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Positive Ground

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Someone was asking why positive ground on telco gear. Not sure which list. http://engr.smu.edu/~levine/ee8320/positiveground.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators?

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
I'm looking for the math behind this website http://www.distributed-wireless.com/calculators/pathloss_RSSI.html I know the free space loss calculation (20 * Log10 (frequency in MHz) + 20 * Log10 (Distance in Miles) + 36.6), but what is the connection between that and the RSSI at that distant

Re: [WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators?

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Tx power + antenna gain - free space path loss + rx antenna gain =rssi. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators? I'm looking for the

Re: [WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators?

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Tx power + antenna gain - free space path loss + rx antenna gain =rssi. Perfect, thanks. I thought I was missing something different. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators?

2008-07-16 Thread Jack Unger
Assuming adequate FZ clearance, then (EIRP) - (FSPL) + (RX Ant System Gain) = RSSI Rogelio wrote: I'm looking for the math behind this website http://www.distributed-wireless.com/calculators/pathloss_RSSI.html I know the free space loss calculation (20 * Log10 (frequency in MHz) + 20 *

Re: [WISPA] formulas behind pathloss+RSSI calculators?

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Here is an example. TX power of 30 dBm (1 watt) + 10 dB antenna gain = 40 dBm EIRP - Path loss (say 10 miles at 915 MHz) 116 dB + 10 dB RX antenna gain = -66 dBm RX signal level - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List

[WISPA] GIS tools and Charles

2008-07-16 Thread Rogelio
Something tells me Charles is going to query this list re: GIS tools. Have you checked out Grass, Charles? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] GIS tools and Charles

2008-07-16 Thread Dylan Oliver
A wise man (Brian Webster) once told me: Grass is great but other tools will have less of a learning curve and get you where you need to go faster. After wasting some more time with Grass, PostGIS, and the like, I bought Manifold and found that he was right. That said, this was more than two

[WISPA] dead thread

2008-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Art sent a note to frog and tried to post a cc here. Not being a subscriber to this list it bounced. Being a 77 year old elder statesman of the telco industry, he has alot of perspective. If someone wants a copy of his reply to mr frog, hit me off list. - Original Message - From: Blake

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
Worthy to note, in my opinion the value of the 532a was the daugherboard to allow 9 ports. Great for Industrial complex roof distribution to clients. The 600 series is the only new unit that supports the daugher card (arlge ports), and with greater than 200Mhz CPU processing to handle the

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree fully with these analagees, but... I was more specically asking what was better about the chip designs. I can compare the design of a Celeron4 to a Pentium4, and know exactly why the Pentium was a faster chip for some type applications. (front side Bus speed, larger level1 cache, etc)

[WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

2008-07-16 Thread Dustin Jurman
Processor speed is only part of the answer to the RISC, CISC battle and this type of radio design. Things flow in a logical operation and waiting occurs on the systems buses in the PC based design. Processor Cache Memory bus Memory Systems bus Ect.. Designs in the different buses or systems

Re: [WISPA] Cat5

2008-07-16 Thread John McDowell
We buy Belden shielded outdoor for tower work. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're deploying on a new tower. I'm considering putting 25-pair outdoor cat5 (175'). Anyone have cable they like to use? Anyone have any extra you purchased that you'd like

Re: [WISPA] GIS tools and Charles

2008-07-16 Thread Brian Webster
Thanks for the vote of support Dylan. I recently looked at Grass's feature list again. While it will work fine for basic mapping, it still has a long way to go if you want to use it for business tools and geocoding. If anyone does look in to Manifold www.manifold.net, do yourself a big favor and

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)

2008-07-16 Thread sales
I would go John Buwa Michiana Wireless - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Jeff Ehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on