[WISPA] GigE at 460ft?!?!?

2009-01-03 Thread can...@believewireless.net
We have a building that is 300ft tall with an office at the bottom off to the corner.Initially we ran Cat5E to see if we could get a basic link, use it to determine the length of the run and then order fiber. So, we plug one end into a Mikrotik RB1000 and the other end into a Dell desktop gigabit

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

2009-01-03 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
just 2.4 on the crossroads. They have 5.8 gig systems that are certified. Just not 5.2/5.4 as of yet. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net

[WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
We've had for many years access to a non-live AM radio tower (by non-live, the antennas are mounted on the sides of the tower, insulated, look like long steel cables). For a long time we ran AC to the top, into a small choke/transformer (some little gizmo) that filtered the AM radio signal,

[WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Cliff Olle
This what you are looking for? http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Are you looking to switch an AC outlet, or are you talking

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html It's more ports but starts at $109... Ours have worked perfect for us over the years. - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:39 PM

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread Brian Webster
Tom, The points you make seem to drive home the point that some leasing companies and other consultants try to make. Keep your cash on hand for operational expenses and use leasing to purchase the equipment. This preserves your capital even though it may cost more in interest. Using that

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Jack Unger
Doug, The only way to tell if using shielded cable would work is to try it. Every high-power (radio tower) situation is unique. Most tower problems occur on high-power FM towers where the FM frequency is close to the Ethernet frequency but problems can easily exist on AM towers too depending

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread J. Vogel
Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of bread, but

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread eje
Just as an example of this. Southwest airlines (one of the few airlines still in the black and been so for a very long time) recently sold some of their planes (5 more soon to be sold) for 175millions. But they keep the planes on a 12 year lease. In 12 years those plans will be close to

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread eje
Don't expect to see that price of the cpes will drop by 50%. At $60-$100 there isn't much left to go lower. Especially considering shipping a cpe with integrated antenna $5 to $10 from manufacturing plans in asia. As well some semiconductor parts are currently going up instead of down as plans

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Rick Harnish
Doug, We have POE running on an identical AM tower (fairly low wattage) configuration. We did used shielded cable and I believe we are grounding the shield to the tower every 20-40' (can't remember). The shield does pick up the AM transmission and we also used ferrite beads at the bottom. Like

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
AC - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
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Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
One thing you might try is making an RF choke at the tower base coiling up the CAT5 and possibly even using a ferrite on it as well. Leon * Jack Unger wrote, On 1/3/2009 3:35 PM: Doug, The only way to tell if using shielded cable would work is to try it. Every high-power (radio tower)

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
In the case of grounding every 20-40 feet, what are you doing to achieve this without breaking down the water resistant jacket on the cable? Using an inline RJ45 POE surge protector? A ground tap clamp? Also, in the case of Nanostations, the ground is done via the metal RJ45 STP connectors

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Jan 3, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. Sure, be happy to answer whatever I can. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread eje
Use heavy duty direct burial cable and some 400 size coax grounding strap. Then just peel of the outer plastic to the aluminum shield. A db cable should have another plastic protection under the shield. /Eje /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Doug

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Are you sure it is non-live? Normally AM antennas are the whole tower. Is it sitting on an insulator at the base? Do you know the power of the transmitter? 160 feet sure fits the mold of a quarter wavelength vertical. Like 1460 kHz. If it is shunt fed, then you will have a tap up about a

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread 3-dB Networks
Mesa was on a very similar tower, except it was 200ft. I don't recall how far up the cable went... but I know it wasn't running the whole length of the tower. There was one long steel cable running up the tower, the tower itself was not energized (basically I was told when I was on the tower

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Josh Luthman
A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
You may want to check with the local PuC rules. Up here, it's illegal to do any usage-based power charging, unless you use an approved meter... Mike Hammett wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Then the whole collocation industry is up poop creek. Maybe that's why only 1 or 2 companies have servers in MT. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Jack Unger
... the TRANSMITTER is 10 kW, not the tower... Doug Ratcliffe wrote: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Jack Unger wrote, On 1/3/2009 8:15 PM: ... the TRANSMITTER is 10 kW, not the tower... Doug Ratcliffe wrote: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower,

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread J. Vogel
Actually, I wasn't trying to say that CPE prices would go down 50%, I don't think they will. Just pulling nice round numbers out the hat. That doesn't change my point though, that in a deflating economy, debt that is being taken on will be repaid with dollars that are worth more and/or are harder

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Gino Villarini
www.controlbyweb.com Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:52 PM

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
You can add a pinging circuit to the small digital logger for $35.00 then it will auto reboot, well worth it, we use them on all our towers and some repeaters Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California

[WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread RickG
Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread Jack Unger
What state, mate? RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You have to look at your leasing contract... For the correct answer Having said that Keep in mind that Leasing companies are providing an alternate form of financing, so they are not expecting to incur additional costs other than the equipment they are leasing / financing. I would do the

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread eje
Years back we leased a router from sprint bundled into our internet access. We had to pay taxes on the lease portion but the internet portion was tax free. We had a big argument with them until they gave us itemized bill showing what was taxed and what was not. The hardware was taxed the

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hehe More like What State and What County ? All taxing authorities collect Property Tax on leased property where allowed by law They don't care who pays, as long as someone pays them... Unless you are dealing with a naieeve leasing company My guess is that the one making the

Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower

2009-01-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a

Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes

2009-01-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, this is correct. We have to pay it on all our leases in the form of property taxes. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company