Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Reed
Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site? Most of the antenna companies do. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx.

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read. I only wanted to "guess" so much at all the numbers. I thought there might be a better pattern of info on the fcc site. Brian Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site? Most of the antenna companies do. Brian

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-08 Thread Anthony Will
I think the main confusion here is people are mixing up the Part 15 rules and the part 90 rules. Part 15 the whole system has to be type certified. In Part 90 the transmitter has to be certified along with other regulations. Part 90 is a different ball game people, it is licensed and WILL be

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got no results. Must be it's not that easy. Can I get a little more direction on how to find something there? Explain it in simple terms (pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*. Brian

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Eric Muehleisen
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Webster
Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
Besides 60deg is same on all antennas since that is to denote where your 3dB of max gain on the antenna. How much signal you lose outside will differ from antenna to antenna and the size of the side lobes. But the most interesting portion is what you have inside the 60deg and there all antennas

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-08 Thread John Rock
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[WISPA] MEMBER SURVEY - Broadband Stimulus Grant Application Workshop

2009-03-08 Thread Rick Harnish
There are 24 Respondents to this survey so far. Jack and I would like to tally the results on Monday as some of the decisions made by the answers to this survey are very time sensitive. Please go to Survey http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=J4u_2bJipdLQONT9xiuYXvmA_3d_3d Monkey and complete

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread George Rogato
My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

2009-03-08 Thread Forbes Mercy
Scriv, You did an excellent write-up and acknowledges one very important factor, change is difficult. We have all built strong systems and telling a customer we are fixed system carries a lot less responsibility than to infer that they can do the 4.9 standard of 150MPH. I admit I'd love to take

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Heya George, Take the time to go through this and really check out the pictures. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm I tried to find the original page that I got the 3d pics from but the page is gone. There are some that do a really good job of

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Webster
Yes the front to back ratio is probably the most difference you will see in antenna patterns from manufacturer to manufacturer. Since they can't cheat the laws of physics and the power they get in the forward direction of a certain beam width antenna, they can spend the money on construction and

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
Keep in mind antennas are not digital but analog. You can get signal outside the pattern. Also most of the patterns are computer designed and is close to what real world but not perfect. Sometimes your sidelobes are bigger then what datasheet shows and sometimes you have a slightly defect

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

2009-03-08 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 19:12 -0600, John Scrivner wrote: Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. There are many reasons for this, some of which make roaming a near impossibility. I have some customers who are doing some things that are very near to one

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

2009-03-08 Thread John Scrivner
The problems are numerous. Building a scalable solution that will fit multiple operators is a real challenge.  Some of the challenges will potentially require you and your proposed partner to make significant network design changes.  If you have an interest in such a project, let's get