Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
What are you seeing? Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PGE smart meters. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List;

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Gary Garrett
My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees. It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have electricity. I

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Mike
I avoid 900 MHz like the plague. Not only does telemetry and GPS positioning trash the band, my competitor located there. :-) Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, June

Re: [WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK

2010-06-14 Thread Eric Rogers
We had over 100 ft of separation, and we were horizontal and they were vertical. I was very skeptical at first, and my clause stated that no tenants after me could cause interference. I was expecting something, but honestly, I saw nothing. Worked like a charm. I would try it and see if it

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Same here. Competitor on 900, Power co-op used some 900 but ended up going with turtle meters (basically X10 built into the meter) and has data links from all the sub-stations. I am going to give Ubnt 900 a go, for those I need it, I do not care how it works clients who have no location options

[WISPA] ccontract

2010-06-14 Thread Liam Cummings
I need some good contract templates for tower use, clients, ect. Any ideas where to get them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Barnes
I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Re: [WISPA] ccontract

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Barnes
For WISPA Members you can visit: http://wiki.wispa.org/index.php/Forms for some forms. Others needs to post contracts they are willing to share there. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] ccontract

2010-06-14 Thread Liam Cummings
Are they good? I join if its worth it -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccontract For WISPA Members you can visit:

Re: [WISPA] ccontract

2010-06-14 Thread Rick Harnish
Liam, Below is what is currently on the wiki. I'm not sure all members realize they can post contracts they wish to share on the wiki. It is there for this reason: To share information with other members to improve each other's bottom line. Site Survey Media:sitesurvey.doc Residential

Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards

2010-06-14 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
You could do a frame capture with wireshark. Used ethereal a long time ago.. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards I have some old StarOS

Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards

2010-06-14 Thread RickG
If they were set up as an AP, you could power them up ans see what SSID broadcasts. Of course you would need to know the IP addy that matches the SSID :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service.  The

Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards

2010-06-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Use a MT to connection as a station and then use ip-scan. On 6/14/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: If they were set up as an AP, you could power them up ans see what SSID broadcasts. Of course you would need to know the IP addy that matches the SSID :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM,

[WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Chuck Profito
GPS :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Any Wimax based Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? --

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
I can confirm Redline can use GPS. Jeremie Chism wrote: Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Randy Cosby
Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax. On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Freylekhman, Alex
Gentlemen, All of our WiMAX TDD equipment comes with standard GPS synchronization. US options are 3.65 and 5GHz. It helps us to mitigate far and near co-channel interference Best regards Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
What's the vertical beam width? Any idea? Greg On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Cameron Crum
It is in the pdf, but 6 degrees in case you missed it. Cameron On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: What's the vertical beam width? Any idea? Greg On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Freylekhman, Alex
For 5GHz the only integrated option is dual polarity 60°-Az x 7°-El pattern. For 3GHz we use high performance SectorShape(tm) antennas. we designed them and own IP. These units come in 60 and 90 degrees with 6°-El. These units more expensive but allow our 3.65GHz system to implement adjacent

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Blair Davis
What exactly are you looking for? We did our first 900MHz link using RF Linx 915UDC's in 2002. Used those until last year. In 2009,started using UBNT XR9 cards. Blair Jack Unger wrote: Please contact me offline if you a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. -Eic On 6/14/2010 11:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. 802.16d FDD gear (like one from Alvarion) doesn't require GPS if memory

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit

Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

2010-06-14 Thread Matt Jenkins
Correst On 06/14/2010 01:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different

[WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Jason Wallace
Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth.  I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's.  That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Jason Wallace
The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Charles Wu
Have you talked to Sparkplug? They have a wireless backhaul middle-mile network that goes from Phoenix down to Yuma -- they basically cover all of AZ -- let me know if you want contact info for someone there -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Charles Wu
Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
How much are you buying ($ and mbit)? I haven't seen a map of Level3's latest EON product, but there were WilTel EON huts in Dragoon and Bowie. Both are about 30 miles from you. Benson is a bit further at 40 miles. I don't know the terrain there (hilly, mountains, flatland), but if it's at

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Sounds like a great contact to have... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 6:30 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Your best shot is back-hauling to a good capex x opex point as others pointed out, but if you find that doesn't work, consider using a mix of T1 bandwidth and one-way (better price and latency than two-way) satellite service, and policy-route traffic so some of it (usually web surfing, cache

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Blake Covarrubias
The mailing address on the site says Pearce, AZ. He says he's in the heart of the Sulphur Valley. I'm not too familiar with that side of AZ, but a search for Sulphur Valley, AZ on GMaps turns up quite a few businesses located all over that region. I didn't want to assume he was only in Pearce.

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable

[WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem

2010-06-14 Thread Scott Carullo
Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link. torch shows my computer trying to connect but no data back from either radio and tftp command times out without success. Current version info below.

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Josh Luthman
They did change it recently and they've been good to me... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same feeds as the

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
What that really means is that you are likely running far too large of an antenna. You're also going to find yourself interfering with your own network far more than is healthy with things that run this way! marlon - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
How many TR 6000's do you want for your AP's? bawhahahahahahaha One of these days I'm gonna remember to take a video cam along and toss one out of the 65' bucket truck! I sure wish I had this guy's tool for fixing crappy hardware! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6HR35fBDU marlon -

Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem

2010-06-14 Thread Travis Johnson
You turned on tftp on the radio first, right? tftpd on Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link. torch shows my computer trying to connect but no data

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Fixed the problem right up, didn't it! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Marlon K.

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
18.5 dB of gain? And 105 * of horizontal coverage? That thing has got to be what, 1* or less of vertical coverage? 2* at best? Here's one for you guys to. I didn't take a pic but it was made completely out of pvc pipe. Even labeled as such. Had a cap on the top, pipe for the omni tube, and

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Jason Wallace
Sorry I wasn't clearer on my location; didn't occur to me in my moment of exasperation ;-) My coverage area centers on Pearce, AZ. I can see the flashing tower lights in Willcox. Douglas is 60 miles south, and Sierra Vista is on the other side of the Dragoon mountain range. Dragoon (the

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread ccrum
6 degrees on the vertical. Slotted waveguides are phenomenal performers. This isn't your average t-line patch. We had it tested on the Antenna Products range in Mineral Wells, TX. The patterns were measured in both the E and H planes and we tested several units to verify. They even have some nice

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hiya Jason, First off, get a caching system installed. One of the oldest (and probably best) is Squid running on a linux system. Next, how many miles will you have to go to get bandwidth in a bigger/cheaper place? How many hops would it take? lets say that you put towers no further than 15

Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Mountains are good. No need for towers that way. Today 20 to 30 mile shots should be easy. Even 40 mile shots shouldn't be very hard. See if you can find houses that see each other all the way to the other end. Offer them free internet on 10 year contracts. Even if you have 5 or 6 hops it'll

Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Those are 5 gig. I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems out here. I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality. I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a bit. Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and

Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

2010-06-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Impressive! marlon - Original Message - From: cc...@dot11net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? 6 degrees on the vertical. Slotted waveguides are phenomenal performers. This isn't your