[WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Matt
I have worked with Linux quite a little mainly with CentOS as an email server etc. I was curious about trying to do some virtualization now. Leaning towards FOSS. Seems like OpenVZ is easiest to implement but also looking at KVM and XEM also. Seems that CentOS 6 will be focusing on KVM. What

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Xen and Vmware are pretty good. I would not suggest using a Linux distro and would go with a bare metal (vsphere, xen's alternative) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Joel Barnard
I would recommend XenServer from Citrix (it's the commercial offering of the open source project) but they offer a free version. It has a very easy to use GUI, and also has a command line interface. We virtualize all our servers as it allows us to do full OS backups fairly easy. Plus in the

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Dennis Burgess
Does it have hot spare servers with auto move if SAN equipped ? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Larry A Weidig
We have used a number of these, done a ton of benchmarking and here is a quick summary of my opinions. This could end up being a holy war, but hope not. Almost all testing was run using iSCSI storage and typically bonded Gig interfaces and identical hardware/tests performed. We used pretty much

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Nick W
I've been experimenting with both the last 2 weeks. I've read that VMWare will have a 16GB limitation in it's next free version, which is pushing me to Xen/XenServer. Just ordered parts for iSCSI SAN. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Xen and

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Adam Kennedy
It does, if you purchase the license for it. In my experience, Citrix XenServer was pretty nice save for one issue: the client tools did not install on every distribution. They are binary only and don't compile. The Vmware tools at least compile on Linux, so you can still get them installed to

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Nick Olsen
Yeah, it does. its a paid feature however. The free version doesn't do it. But the free version will live migrate. I run a small asterisk server on it. When I live migrate the audio just stops for about 3 seconds, And then picks right back up. Its awesome. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855)

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
We have been working with ProxMox, and so far we have been very happy with it. (it open source, full install of base platform based on Debian (lenny) with a web based management interface, it allows you to have either OpenVZ containers or KVM's as needed. Very efficient, stable and easy to

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am going to throw my 2 cents in. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote: I've been experimenting with both the last 2 weeks. I've read that VMWare will have a 16GB limitation in it's next free version, which is pushing me to Xen/XenServer. Just ordered

[WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
We are working on deploying a pair of M5 dishes on our network bridging point a and point b. When we plug in the network to the dishes, the ping times climb to 1200+ms on side b of the bridge, and equipment local to the side b of the bridge, and time out after two or more hops, essentially

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
Isn't -53 a little too hot? Are you using WDS? I don't know if AirMax has changed this but I know one used to need to run with WDS on for a purely transparent bridge. Greg On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: We are working on deploying a pair of M5 dishes on our network

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Yes, and we powered it down so that we had a -60. I just wanted to illustrate that it is not a poor signal issue. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Adam Kennedy
vSphere 5 will only be limited by physical processors, not RAM or number of cores. Not sure where you got the 16GB limitation from. vSphere (What they call ESX/ESXi now) information is available from Vmware here: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf -- Adam Kennedy Network

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Jon Auer
vRAM entitlement will raise prices a bit. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: vSphere 5 will only be limited by physical processors, not RAM or number of cores. Not sure where you got the 16GB limitation from. vSphere (What they call ESX/ESXi now)

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Joel Barnard
One annoying thing about XenServer I forgot to mention is that they don't support Serial or USB device passthrough to virtual machines. They do support USB storage devices though. Joel Barnard Niagara Wireless Internet Co. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
It is routed, using miktrotik routers. Do I use WDS with airmax? I don't think it is a loop because the other bridges are basically doing the same thing but not seeing the same problem. They are Trango link 45's Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Always do WDS for backhauls. On Jul 25, 2011 1:31 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: It is routed, using miktrotik routers. Do I use WDS with airmax? I don't think it is a loop because the other bridges are basically doing the same thing but not seeing the same problem.

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
The reason I ask is because we are using WDS on some M2 PtMP installations to relay connections to neighbors that are near other customers. A tech from UBNT told us that WDS is not designed to work with Airmax and it may be causing some issues with throughput especially upload. Has anyone else

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Jerry Richardson
We run everything with AirMax on and WDS enabled. If there is an issue with AirMax and WDS this is the first I have heard of it. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:06 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Same situation here as Jerry's Maybe you're thinking of Mikrotik's nv2 and WDS? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: We run everything with AirMax on and

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes, in the UBIQUITY World, if you want a transparent bridge... use WDS (so ... wds always !). and YES, turn on AIRMAX... (Airmax is proprietary to Ubiquity, so two UBNT radios are much happier with Airmax on, plus with Airmax is not 'compatible' with standards 802.11a/b/g/n so other

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Matt
I am going to throw my 2 cents in. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote: I've been experimenting with both the last 2 weeks. I've read that VMWare will have a 16GB limitation in it's next free version, which is pushing me to Xen/XenServer. Just ordered

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Ok, so WDS fixed the latency. At 20mhz channel and 100%ccq what should our actual throughput be. We are only seeing 20mbps max. Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Yes, in the UBIQUITY World, if you want a transparent bridge... use

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
How are you testing ? via Radios or via the Mikrotik's behind the radios ? What is the Recieve test by itself showing and what is the Transmit test by it'self showing. also double check to make sure that the MT's and the Radios have ethernet handshake correct. You may have to ssh into the

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Hi, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I can answer more questions if you have them. Good info, thanks.  If I go with Proxmox can I later switch to Opennode by simply copying my virtual machines over to Opennode?  Is OpenVZ preferred over KVM for linux

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Harnish
Faisal, call me at 2603074000 this ebening Rick Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: How are you testing ? via Radios or via the Mikrotik's behind the radios ? What is the Recieve test by itself showing and what is the Transmit test by it'self showing. also double check to make sure

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
This is testing with pc on either end of the radio, plugged in 100fdx ethernet with iperf. Didn't check ota built-in speedtest. No other traffic on radio. Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: How are you testing ? via Radios or via the

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Did you do multiple/single UDP/TCP streams? Usually you want to do two or three to get close to full capacity. On a 10 Mhz channel I am getting 40 mbps with little noise on 3 foot dishes at 15 miles. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Look into ProxMox. It is a slick interface to OpenVZ and KVM on the same machine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 10:34 AM, Matt wrote: I have worked with Linux quite a little mainly with CentOS as an email server etc. I was curious

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Ok, so WDS fixed the latency.  At 20mhz channel and 100%ccq what should our actual throughput be. We are only seeing 20mbps max. Airmax should be used on P2P only for high-distance (~50km or more) links.

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
I tried airmax off but the link is almost unusable. Is there any advanced settings I need to change? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414   Attention: This e-mail and any

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I tried airmax off but the link is almost unusable. Is there any advanced settings I need to change? The other scenario where Airmax makes better goodput is interference, either from your tower or from

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Tried again and this time airmax off seems to have done the trick. Is there any suggested settings in Advanced tab for a 2km link? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414  

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Low 50s is about where you want to be for a link. Now the 40s is a bit much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 11:40 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Isn't -53 a little too hot? Are you using WDS? I don't know if AirMax has changed this but I know

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency

2011-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Mine at max modulation is 51 if that helps. On Jul 25, 2011 11:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Low 50s is about where you want to be for a link. Now the 40s is a bit much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 11:40 AM,

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I was told that it was 16 GB of allocated memory per license, by a client of mine that currently has about two dozen license. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 11:49 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: vSphere 5 will only be limited by physical

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm sorry, I'm thinking it was 32 GB per license with Enterprise Plus bringing 48 GB per license. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 11:49 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: vSphere 5 will only be limited by physical processors, not RAM or number of

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Basically a lot of people moving to Hyper-V is what I've heard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 12:57 PM, Nick W wrote: My recollection was off, looks like 8GB vRAM. Saw it scanning through HardForum:

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
In my experience, definitely go hardware RAID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/25/2011 3:35 PM, Matt wrote: I am going to throw my 2 cents in. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Nick Wlists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote: I've been experimenting

[WISPA] Vivato website is back up

2011-07-25 Thread Rogelio
A friend just sent me the URL and said that they've put up a real looking page now http://www.vivato.com I don't know enough about their gear to know if these are new products or not. I'm curious which chipset they use. -- Also on LinkedIn?  Feel free to connect if you too are an open

Re: [WISPA] OT: Linux Virtualization

2011-07-25 Thread Rogelio
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I have worked with Linux quite a little mainly with CentOS as an email server etc.  I was curious about trying to do some virtualization now.  Leaning towards FOSS.  Seems like OpenVZ is easiest to implement but also looking at KVM

[WISPA] just installed a Huawei...

2011-07-25 Thread Rogelio
Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport - portswitch, no shut - undo shut, etc), and you configure it