:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
LOL.
The question I have is
Was OLD BOY on a per antenna or per grain leg contract?
Meaning, to accommodate OLD HAM's Request, did Old boy get consessions of
getting free colo for the added sector
Even if they're wrong, you won't win!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote:
Update on the competitor situation.
Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of
the grain legs that new boy is
Bottom line in all this is very simple.
When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.
Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.
While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down.
On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Even if
Ha! Ain't that the truth!
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Even if they're wrong, you won't win
, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Bottom line in all this is very simple.
When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.
Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.
While handshakes
We have first right on all three bands. Saved us more than once
- Jerry
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Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:22 PM
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, January 01, 2011 2:22 PM
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But they aren’t on the same grain legs, just within LOS of each other. But
as far as getting things on paper, you’re right although I’d rather have
exclusive use.
*From:* wireless
Update on the competitor situation.
Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.
Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.
Everyone
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Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM
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Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...
On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? about a million years ago (well, 11
years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink
amp on it. That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java
programmer?!?) so
From: wireless
.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
I did a climb for a local WISP back in 2002. We put a 325 foot run
Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
I’m throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like
Rather than 3.65 is there a reason not to use 5GHz? I haven't tested
the DTS stuff yet, but if it works in AirMax it would open plenty of
spectrum (assuming you don't have radar issues). Even so I would look
at 5MHz Airmax channels in the 5GHz range, if old wisp is running 2.4
shouldn't be
designed
network that will never tolerate interference.
Good thoughts, thanks.
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Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy
: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:
I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:01 PM
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Problem is old boy
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Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:
I’m throwing
I had this happen once. We met and decided that even though I was the old
boy, I went ahead and switched to 900MHz. In the end, we got all the NLOS
customers and he only got the fewer LOS.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
I’m throwing this out there
channels there are on 5.8.
- Jerry
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*On Behalf Of *Robert West
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Problem is old boy doesn't want
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor
happy.
Have
, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB)
problem. Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants protection
he should have bought spectrum.
As long as NB is following
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
*On Behalf Of *Sam Tetherow
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's'
(NB) problem. Unlicensed
Robert,
Still missing some relevent detail...
New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.
Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?
As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?
Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?
Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy
Tom:
I'm always impressed with the time you take in writing the responses you do.
I wish I had that kind of time, I barely have enough time to read them.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
Robert,
Still missing some relevent
I upgraded our main billing server hard disks in the time it took to
write that reply... :)
Travis
Microserv
On 12/29/2010 3:19 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Tom:
I'm always impressed with the time you take in writing the responses
you do. I wish I had that kind of time, I barely have enough time
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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much
better outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together
on backhaul etc.
Form a strategic partnership.
- --
Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com)
Systems
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From: Chuck Hogg
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Tom:
I'm always impressed with the time you take in writing the responses you do.
I wish I had that kind of time, I barely have
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
I agree with your analysis but unless NB is very knowledgeable and sharp in
explaining the law there is a good chance that OB is going to convince or
confuse the audience at that meeting that NB is the villain who should be
thrown off
.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make
Briliant!
- Jerry
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Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Or better yet turn off those silly Omni sites and let
network
engenerring, in my opinion.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Here is my take:
Old boy
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:
I'm throwing this out
Climbing Network Support
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:24:54 -0500
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Actually he did do a scan and in a normal
, December 29, 2010 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
I agree with your analysis but unless NB is very knowledgeable and sharp in
explaining the law there is a good chance that OB is going to convince or
confuse the audience at that meeting that NB
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:46 PM
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This is different than having to deal with consumer routers.
This is a matter of paying attention
: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much better
outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together on backhaul
etc.
Form a strategic partnership.
- --
Charles N Wyble
Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:24:54 -0500
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Actually he
] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...
On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi
omni
or worse.
From
I was gonna say the same! I have my own WISP archive from 6 years on this
list and could put together a book using Tom's writings! Thanks Tom!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
Tom:
I'm always impressed with the time you take in writing the responses you
Thats optimal if you can do it. Many times you have personality conflicts.
I'm second owner here. The previous owner did not get along at all with the
competition. I changed all that and in their demise they gave me first right
of refusals on some of their towers.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM,
: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Tom:
I'm always impressed with the time you take in writing the responses you
do. I wish I had that kind of time, I barely have enough time to read them.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote
.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss
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