Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 02:43 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
I am glad to hear this. I am coming to the MUM in Dallas. I have already 
registered actually. I think Mac, Rick and Matt are all coming also. I 
look forward to seeing you guys again. Thanks for the update on mesh for 
Mikrotik coming soon.


Thanks John, also I hear that Allen Marsalis is coming!

Here are the detailed descriptions of the Mesh Hotspot System (MHS) 
presentations:

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Large Hotspot Systems, MESH, and Solar Powered RouterBOARDs, by Brian 
Vargyas (Concourse Communication)


About the speaker:  Brian has been in the wireless Internet business for 
more than seven years and has a degree in electrical engineering.  He 
manages hotspot systems for Concourse Communications at major airports in 
the US and Canada (including Chicago O'Hare, Detroit, JFK, and a number of 
others).



Wireless roaming with WDS and MESH,  by Uldis Cernevskis (MikroTik)

About the speaker:  Uldis has been working as a wireless support specialist 
at MikroTik for six years.  He supports a number of customers that are 
installing wireless MESH systems.

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Just in today, I have an update on the MUM!!!  Butch Evans will give a 
presenation on VPNs and selling VPN services to customers.

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Application of VPN Technology with Mikrotik by Butch Evans

* PPtP vs IPSEC
* Selling VPN to business customers
* Using VPN to simplify network security

About the speaker:

Butch Evans (formerly of BPS Networks) has been an ISP since 1995. Butch 
used the Mikrotik RouterOS to build out a network that served several 
hundred high speed users.  Mikrotik RouterOS was an essential part of the 
network design, serving as firewall, QOS, VPN concentrator, APs and 
backbone routers.  Currently, Butch is working full time as a network 
consultant.  Butch has developed a training seminar for Mikrotik's 
RouterOS, which is taught 3-4 times per year across the US.

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and details of another on bonding:
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Bonding, Load Balancing, and Failover with MikroTik
Practical examples and configurations for:
- multiple DSL lines
- multiple Wireless interfaces
- multiple VLANs and EoIP tunnels

May 5th, 11AM - by MikroTik staff
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John
www.mikrotik.com





Cheers,
Scriv


John Tully wrote:


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) 
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to 
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will 
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - 
mum.mikrotik.com .


John
www.mikrotik.com

At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:

Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, 
business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit 
from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of 
muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our 
towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. 
Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would 
bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their 
networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them?

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless 
system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ 
for details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that 
have an interest in wireless.


-Matt



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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread chris cooper
Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? If I could add a
word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on both
link and service side are great also.

Thanks
Chris


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) 
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to 
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will 
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - 
mum.mikrotik.com .

John
www.mikrotik.com


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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:

Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?


Hello Chris,

You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two 
mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the 
price is something like $185 list together.


They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the 
MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.


John
www.mikrotik.com



 If I could add a
word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on both
link and service side are great also.

Thanks
Chris


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more)
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
mum.mikrotik.com .

John
www.mikrotik.com


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[WISPA] Commissioner Martin Keynote at TelecomNext

2006-03-23 Thread Dawn

All,

As quoted from the article;

   Any provider who blocks access to the Internet is inviting 
customers to find another provider, Whitacre said in his keynote speech.
   It's bad business. He then emphatically stated that ATT 
would not block independent services, nor will we degrade [Internet 
access].

   Period, end of story.

Also quoted from the article;

 We've already demonstrated we'll take action if necessary, 
Martin said.


Link to story;
http://www.networkingpipeline.com/183701554?cid=rssfeed_pl_ntp

and another story;
http://news.com.com/The+next+broadband+battleground/2010-1034_3-6052980.html


Of course in the very same keynote this is what Commissioner Martin had 
to say;


   Martin told attendees at the TelecomNext show that telcos 
should be allowed to charge web sites whatever they want

   if those sites want adequate bandwidth.

Full story link below;
http://www.networkingpipeline.com/blog/archives/2006/03/fcc_chief_att_c.html

Regards,
Dawn
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[WISPA] licensed links

2006-03-23 Thread Mario Pommier
helps me, Marlon, as I'm now looking to provide a licensed link of 
25Mbps or more to a regional TV network.

Thanks.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


www.microwavenetworks.com

Call the main office.  Talk to Brad Ingram 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tell him his number came from Charlie 
Curothers (sp?)


Their fastest system will do 155 megs but you can hook more than one 
into the same antenna via taps in the wave guide.  Run each of those 
systems via a failover router type system and off you go, high speed, 
fully redundant etc.


Hope that helps,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] high bandwidth long links


300-600Mbps

On Apr 28, 2005, at 4:46 PM, G.Villarini wrote:


What kind of bandwith? Gige?

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] high bandwidth long links


On Apr 28, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Charles Wu wrote:


True; I'm making the assumption that you're in the business of
providing connectivity - and that wireless (licensed or
license-exempt) is just another tool in the box.

That said, if you're irrational enough to stick with wireless, you can
always follow Ken D's suggestion, and string a LONG LINE of 500' 60
GHz GigE links...


Why do I have to be irrational? Show me the cost benefit analysis of
trenching fiber vs. using wireless and we will see who is rational.

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] licensed links

2006-03-23 Thread Mac Dearman

Anyone have a suggestion for a really fine 5.x H Pol omni antenna?

Thanks
Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
Authorized Barracuda Reseller
MikroTik RouterOS Certified
www.inetsouth.com
www.mac-tel.us
www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief)
Rayville, La.
318.728.8600 
318.303.4228

318.303.4229



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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread JNA
What happened to the RB512's ??

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
 
 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?
 
 Hello Chris,
 
 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the
 price is something like $185 list together.
 
 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.
 
 John
 www.mikrotik.com
 
 
   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully



What happened to the RB512's ??


Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional 
dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may 
be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the
 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread Travis Johnson

John,

When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style 
configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;)


Travis
Microserv

John Tully wrote:




What happened to the RB512's ??



Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the 
additional dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, 
the RB112 may be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet 
and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I 
guess the

 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see 
at the

 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider 
every

 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- 
easy

 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable 
WISP

 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH 
systems.  You

 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 06:53 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

John,

When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style 
configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;)


We have projects in design now, but we only announce details just before we 
are going into mass production -- and I don't have an estimate for that either!


John
www.mikrotik.com



Travis
Microserv

John Tully wrote:




What happened to the RB512's ??



Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional 
dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may 
be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I 
guess the

 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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