[WISPA] Louisiana State Police to Build Statewide Wireless Network
Louisiana State Police to Build Statewide Wireless Network 11:47AM 11/16/06 [ back to top ] Agreement Provides Louisiana With Access to the ERF Wireless Statewide Wireless Broadband Network for Law Enforcement Operations and Disaster Recovery. ERF Wireless announced today that it has entered into an agreement with the Louisiana State Police to construct a statewide wireless broadband network. This network, to be known as Louisiana BankNet, will be owned and operated by ERF Wireless, with the tower infrastructure provided by the Louisiana State Police. Funding will be provided by participating financial institutions. The $5 million network will provide wireless broadband connectivity to the Louisiana State Police and to the regional banks that ERF Wireless currently serves and will serve in the future. The network will also support wireless broadband Internet services (WISP) to many underserved areas of Louisiana. As part of the agreement, ERF Wireless will provide the Louisiana State Police with access to continuous, point-to-point wireless connectivity through the entire State Police tower network. ERF Wireless will also deploy its newly announced SatNet product to provide fault-tolerant communications at certain key nodes inside the network. In addition, during times of declared state emergencies, ERF Wireless will make available to Louisiana's first responders expanded bandwidth, VoIP communications, high-resolution video surveillance at the backbone towers and across regional banking networks, video conferencing, and free use of wireless hotspots across the network -- all to support disaster recovery efforts. Col. Henry L. Whitehorn, Superintendent Deputy Secretary, Department of Public Safety Corrections, Public Safety Services (Louisiana State Police), commented, This Cooperative Endeavor Agreement with ERF Wireless is very good for the people of Louisiana as well as the Louisiana State Police. The past year has been a very trying time for all of us in Louisiana. Hurricanes Katrina and Rita had a significant impact on our communications capabilities throughout much of the state. When ERF Wireless suggested working together to upgrade our communications capability, to help our local financial institutions and to provide emergency WISP services free of charge to first responders and to our citizens, I knew this would be a win-win solution. We are looking forward to working with ERF Wireless to provide Louisiana with all of the benefits available through this state-of-the-art wireless network. Dr. H. Dean Cubley, ERF Wireless' CEO, commented, We're pleased to enter into this agreement with the state of Louisiana and to provide enhanced services to our financial institution customers. This is a perfect example of how private enterprise and government can work together to provide a critical service to citizens, government entities and local financial institutions. This secure network will be a benefit to all involved. The Louisiana State Police get an upgraded, fault-tolerant communications capability throughout the state. The financial institutions receive reliable, high-speed, encrypted communications across our BankNet circuits. And, many previously underserved areas of Louisiana can take advantage of the new ERF Wireless WISP services that will be available soon in cities, towns and rural communities all across the state. The construction of Louisiana BankNet will begin within the next thirty days, said John Burns, ERF Wireless COO and chief architect of the company's milestone agreement with Louisiana. ERF Wireless has been involved in a sustained RD effort over the last three years to develop the technology, file the patents, identify the needed applications, address regulatory concerns, finalize the design and deploy five operating networks across three states. The Louisiana portion of our planned nationwide BankNet system is the nucleus for our overall strategy for serving the U.S. banking industry. The construction of Louisiana BankNet will proceed in phases, with the first phase beginning in Baton Rouge, then continuing east along the Interstate 10 corridor to New Orleans, then north around Lake Pontchatrain through Slidell and Hammond, and returning to Baton Rouge. The second phase will begin in Baton Rouge, then proceed west along the Interstate 10 corridor through Lafayette to Lake Charles. The third phase will begin in Lafayette, then advance east along the U. S. Highway 90 corridor through Morgan City and Houma to New Orleans. Later phases will cover all areas of the state in a similar manner. We plan to complete as much of the network as possible before the next hurricane season hits by leveraging the resources of our strategic partners, said Burns. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Another 3D satellite program
I didn't download it, but I read about it on the site and it looks ok. It looks Google Earth like. http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another 3D satellite program
Who likes what better and why. Anyone used any combination of these three that has opinions? Worldwind http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/. Microdem http://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/pguth/website/microdem.htm Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ Brian Dawn DiPietro wrote: Brian, I have been using Worldwind for about 2/12 years or so. It is a great program. Very internet intensive though so you better have a broadband connection. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I didn't download it, but I read about it on the site and it looks ok. It looks Google Earth like. http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance And Worker's Comp...
Professional Employer Organizations | Administrative Serice Organizations Jack Unger wrote: I hate to admit my ignorance here but my curiosity got the best of me... what does ASO and PEO stand for? Peter R. wrote: I would suggest hiring through an ASO or PEO organization. These staff companies provide payroll, benefits and insurance. Construction companies use them. Just a thought. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. MarketingIDEAguy.com (813) (63-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
Well, let me put it simply. The guy running this company is arrogant and not at all interested in helping his customers. I have plenty of correspondence to back that up with their company. Hardware that we used is nothing more than a standard rack server that is overpriced. We used to just buy the software licenses as well, but then they stopped selling that for anything over 10Mbps which pretty much rules out us using that. We finally decided after enough degrading comments from the owner to develop a solution in house using open source and custom code. It took about 2 weeks and we have a solution very similar that is tailored for our needs. No matter how may pro's anybody cares to stack up for their products the CON outweighs them all! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com I was wondering what happened to him. He was the one and only person to rise above Brett G in causing list discomfort. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
Charles, We replaced our ETINC box with Mikrotik about 6 months ago. We are now able to do the bandwidth management closer to the customer (at each Mikrotik around the network) and were able to eliminate a point of failure on the network. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
Travis... Customer service issues aside, performance -- do you prefer the single ETINC or the multiple Mikrotiks? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments Charles, We replaced our ETINC box with Mikrotik about 6 months ago. We are now able to do the bandwidth management closer to the customer (at each Mikrotik around the network) and were able to eliminate a point of failure on the network. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
Charles, Having a single point for management is easier... but having it spread out over multiple boxes means you don't have to have as much horsepower for the single box... The ETInc box worked great for us for almost 4 years... however, I would never go back (mainly due to customer service issues, overpriced hardware, etc). Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Travis... Customer service issues aside, performance -- do you prefer the single ETINC or the multiple Mikrotiks? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments Charles, We replaced our ETINC box with Mikrotik about 6 months ago. We are now able to do the bandwidth management closer to the customer (at each Mikrotik around the network) and were able to eliminate a point of failure on the network. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
ETINC works great but so do several other lower-cost options which do not include dealing with an abusive vendor. Are you going to buy him out Charles? :-) Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Louisiana State Police to Build Statewide Wireless Network
Anyone know anything about ERF Wireless andthe personel involved? I'm just wondering if the State Police picked a WSIP company that was instrumental in the original aid to the area during the crisis, or just some company that won the bid? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Louisiana State Police to Build Statewide Wireless Network Louisiana State Police to Build Statewide Wireless Network 11:47AM 11/16/06 [ back to top ] Agreement Provides Louisiana With Access to the ERF Wireless Statewide Wireless Broadband Network for Law Enforcement Operations and Disaster Recovery. ERF Wireless announced today that it has entered into an agreement with the Louisiana State Police to construct a statewide wireless broadband network. This network, to be known as Louisiana BankNet, will be owned and operated by ERF Wireless, with the tower infrastructure provided by the Louisiana State Police. Funding will be provided by participating financial institutions. The $5 million network will provide wireless broadband connectivity to the Louisiana State Police and to the regional banks that ERF Wireless currently serves and will serve in the future. The network will also support wireless broadband Internet services (WISP) to many underserved areas of Louisiana. As part of the agreement, ERF Wireless will provide the Louisiana State Police with access to continuous, point-to-point wireless connectivity through the entire State Police tower network. ERF Wireless will also deploy its newly announced SatNet product to provide fault-tolerant communications at certain key nodes inside the network. In addition, during times of declared state emergencies, ERF Wireless will make available to Louisiana's first responders expanded bandwidth, VoIP communications, high-resolution video surveillance at the backbone towers and across regional banking networks, video conferencing, and free use of wireless hotspots across the network -- all to support disaster recovery efforts. Col. Henry L. Whitehorn, Superintendent Deputy Secretary, Department of Public Safety Corrections, Public Safety Services (Louisiana State Police), commented, This Cooperative Endeavor Agreement with ERF Wireless is very good for the people of Louisiana as well as the Louisiana State Police. The past year has been a very trying time for all of us in Louisiana. Hurricanes Katrina and Rita had a significant impact on our communications capabilities throughout much of the state. When ERF Wireless suggested working together to upgrade our communications capability, to help our local financial institutions and to provide emergency WISP services free of charge to first responders and to our citizens, I knew this would be a win-win solution. We are looking forward to working with ERF Wireless to provide Louisiana with all of the benefits available through this state-of-the-art wireless network. Dr. H. Dean Cubley, ERF Wireless' CEO, commented, We're pleased to enter into this agreement with the state of Louisiana and to provide enhanced services to our financial institution customers. This is a perfect example of how private enterprise and government can work together to provide a critical service to citizens, government entities and local financial institutions. This secure network will be a benefit to all involved. The Louisiana State Police get an upgraded, fault-tolerant communications capability throughout the state. The financial institutions receive reliable, high-speed, encrypted communications across our BankNet circuits. And, many previously underserved areas of Louisiana can take advantage of the new ERF Wireless WISP services that will be available soon in cities, towns and rural communities all across the state. The construction of Louisiana BankNet will begin within the next thirty days, said John Burns, ERF Wireless COO and chief architect of the company's milestone agreement with Louisiana. ERF Wireless has been involved in a sustained RD effort over the last three years to develop the technology, file the patents, identify the needed applications, address regulatory concerns, finalize the design and deploy five operating networks across three states. The Louisiana portion of our planned nationwide BankNet system is the nucleus for our overall strategy for serving the U.S. banking industry. The construction of Louisiana BankNet will proceed in phases, with the first phase beginning in Baton Rouge, then continuing east along the Interstate 10 corridor to New Orleans, then north around Lake Pontchatrain through Slidell and Hammond, and returning to Baton Rouge. The second phase will begin in Baton Rouge, then proceed west along the Interstate 10 corridor through Lafayette to Lake
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
What is ETINC? John Scrivner wrote: ETINC works great but so do several other lower-cost options which do not include dealing with an abusive vendor. Are you going to buy him out Charles? :-) Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
states, the insurance covers ANYTHING that arises due to the vehicle or its use Insightful, I did not know that. And under that situation, Its logical that business liability coverage would cover anything above what the auto-insurance did not. But the real question here is not whether the Auto-Insurance will cover the bucket. Its wether the Primary Business Liabilty insurance will cover the insodent as primary coverage, IF there is no auto-coverage for the Bucket, for example if it was not disclosed and made invalid. Meaning, why buy duplicate coverage, if Business Liability Coverage would cover it, and it would be unwise to not have business liabilty, as every property owner requires it to be there before doing work. as most personal lines policies do not cover any type of business use, Please clarify. There are a lot of employees that are required to use their own vehichles for work and employer does not provide one. For example, Pizza delivery. Are you saying they are not covered? I find that hard to believe. I'd understand that if a business used a personal policy for its vehicles and then let employees drive it, that it likely may not be covered. But I thought for sure that if I had my own vehichle at work, I could drive it myself for work. There are many people who share their vehicle for part work and part personel. ITs not viable to have two policies on the same vehichle, and not always viable to have two vehichles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: Excellent point Travis. It would be covered under business liabilty insurance and/or workman's comp. Auto insurance is meant to cover the driver or other guy that got hurt in a driving accident. Never once heard of a bucket contributing to a driving accident with another vehichle. Unless of course you were driving down the road and forgot to lower the boom before driving away :-) Your business liabilty insurance is also more appropriate for this, as you classify what type of business you are in. Using it as a lineman, home construction, or Computer Networking can be considered and has required provisions for defining that in the agreement. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, Wrong answer about the business liability insurance :-) . In most states, the insurance covers ANYTHING that arises due to the vehicle or its use. For instance, in PA, if You close the van door on Your hand(even if the vehicle is parked and not moving) and break it, Your auto insurance has to pay the medical bills. If the operator of the bucket truck sends it through the roof of the house they are working on, then the property damage coverage of Your auto policy(primary) kicks in and pays for the roof. There is a chance that Your business insurance(GL or general liability) policy would cover You on a secondary basis if the coverage on the auto policy was not enough and You were sued for the difference?(Varies by state). The legal term for this is called the proximate cause of the accident or problem, and since the bucket was attached to the van, the auto policy will cover it. This is why Your insurance CO is pitching a fit about the bucket. Here is some more insurance trivia that all of You should be aware of, as I for one hate surprises. Did You know that if at the end of Your employees shift, You ask that person to drop off a check, contract, pick up a part at radio shack etc. and they are involved in an accident, You are going to be sued right along with Your employee and their (employee's)private auto insurer will more than likely deny the claim, as most personal lines policies do not cover any type of business use, period. The idea here is that the accident in question would have never occured if You had not asked the employee to run an errand for You. We also have some of us business owners that do not own any private vehicles. If everything You own is insured commercially?, Do Not EVER rent a vehicle unless Your Business auto policy has drive other car coverage, because if it doesn't?, You will be paying the bill for the accident, as most commercial auto policies only cover the vehicles listed on it, and if it 'aint there?, It 'aint covered. :-( -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments
ETINC is the bandwdith manager that was made by the equivellent of the Soup Nazi (Seinfeld) of Bandwdith management appliances. I believe it runs on FREEBSD, and 5 years ago, it was considered the Best of Breed, preventing the need to buy expensive Packeteer devices ($10,000), and costing closer to $600. It was designed to so bandwdith management at a fixed location at the end of the line. However, today its a changing world, and lots more available, and not sure that it is still so special. But I'm not familiar enough with it to give a fair comparison. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ETINC - Thoughts / Comments What is ETINC? John Scrivner wrote: ETINC works great but so do several other lower-cost options which do not include dealing with an abusive vendor. Are you going to buy him out Charles? :-) Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Wanted to get people's opinion of ETINC It's been some time since Dennis has publically flogged anyone ducking but curious about product performance / comparisons / pros / cons / etc -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Tom DeReggi wrote: states, the insurance covers ANYTHING that arises due to the vehicle or its use Insightful, I did not know that. And under that situation, Its logical that business liability coverage would cover anything above what the auto-insurance did not. But the real question here is not whether the Auto-Insurance will cover the bucket. Its wether the Primary Business Liabilty insurance will cover the insodent as primary coverage, IF there is no auto-coverage for the Bucket, for example if it was not disclosed and made invalid. Meaning, why buy duplicate coverage, if Business Liability Coverage would cover it, and it would be unwise to not have business liabilty, as every property owner requires it to be there before doing work. as most personal lines policies do not cover any type of business use, Please clarify. My dad has to have commercial coverage on his car because he is a mailman (uses personal car for work). I asked my insurance agent if my employee (on a non commercial policy) would be covered if I had him drive his own car to deliver a computer to someone. He said no. If you use your car for work (not just driving to work) even one time you are suppose to have a commercial policy. That is the way Michigan is. There are a lot of employees that are required to use their own vehichles for work and employer does not provide one. For example, Pizza delivery. Are you saying they are not covered? I find that hard to believe. I'd understand that if a business used a personal policy for its vehicles and then let employees drive it, that it likely may not be covered. But I thought for sure that if I had my own vehichle at work, I could drive it myself for work. There are many people who share their vehicle for part work and part personel. ITs not viable to have two policies on the same vehichle, and not always viable to have two vehichles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: Excellent point Travis. It would be covered under business liabilty insurance and/or workman's comp. Auto insurance is meant to cover the driver or other guy that got hurt in a driving accident. Never once heard of a bucket contributing to a driving accident with another vehichle. Unless of course you were driving down the road and forgot to lower the boom before driving away :-) Your business liabilty insurance is also more appropriate for this, as you classify what type of business you are in. Using it as a lineman, home construction, or Computer Networking can be considered and has required provisions for defining that in the agreement. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, Wrong answer about the business liability insurance :-) . In most states, the insurance covers ANYTHING that arises due to the vehicle or its use. For instance, in PA, if You close the van door on Your hand(even if the vehicle is parked and not moving) and break it, Your auto insurance has to pay the medical bills. If the operator of the bucket truck sends it through the roof of the house they are working on, then the property damage coverage of Your auto policy(primary) kicks in and pays for the roof. There is a chance that Your business insurance(GL or general liability) policy would cover You on a secondary basis if the coverage on the auto policy was not enough and You were sued for the difference?(Varies by state). The legal term for this is called the proximate cause of the accident or problem, and since the bucket was attached to the van, the auto policy will cover it. This is why Your insurance CO is pitching a fit about the bucket. Here is some more insurance trivia that all of You should be aware of, as I for one hate surprises. Did You know that if at the end of Your employees shift, You ask that person to drop off a check, contract, pick up a part at radio shack etc. and they are involved in an accident, You are going to be sued right along with Your employee and their (employee's)private auto insurer will more than likely deny the claim, as most personal lines policies do not cover any type of business use, period. The idea here is that the accident in question would have never occured if You had not asked the employee to run an errand for You. We also have some of us business owners that do not own any private vehicles. If everything You own is insured commercially?, Do Not EVER rent a vehicle unless
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Man, that is scary and damn foolish advice you guys! Nothing worse than finding out that you are improperly insured. Can you imagine what would happen when you tried to file a claim and they denied it because you insured a van not a bucket truck! wow Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Yup yup yup. Ours is a Ford F-350 4x4. :) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. We dropped it and parked the truck for now. When it's time to use it again I'll probably just have the insurance set up so that I'm the only one that can use the truck. Our insurance is a wreck these days. The costs have shot up so high it's almost impossible to afford any. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
fyi I'm not even going to try to read these last two posts. You guys need to use paragraphs! This is wa too hard on the ol' eyes! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone systems. The reason I am mentioning all this is because for the most part, 10% of all insurance customers file 90% of the claims for reasons mentioned above. This same customer will also use their insurance policy as a maintainence contract, and try to get the insurance CO to pay for things that You or I would simply say, OK, this happened, but I will just fix it myself, as it was my fault in the first place. I dropped a 4ft piece of pipe off of the roof last year and it hit the only car parked on the entire street. It was an older car that already had 4000 dents and peeling paint, but the damage to the fender was $430. I just paid it, because it was stupidity in the first place, and I didn't want my rates to go up?. Now, the other side of this: We have an incidence where an individual needed new tires for inspection, so using their really smart brain, they drove it home from the mechanic that failed it, and slashed all the tires themselves. The insurance CO only paid the prorated amount, as the tires were worn out in the first place, so this enterprising individual got pissed, and went and got a set of tires(That didn't match) from the local junk yard that had been slashed in a previous crime, had them mounted on the rims
Re: [WISPA] Solar power
I have some - the typical shopping list is like this: Kyocera solar panels - 4 kc130-k, at approx. 680.00 each - gives me 14 volts at 14 amps on a good day (to charge batteries) Mounting hardware - varies 100-200 wiring harnesses between panels - 50.00 wiring harness to charge controller (below) 20 Trojan l16H batteries - 2 to 4, at 270 each (+/-) wiring interconnects - Series to 12 volts, parallel from there 30.00 fuses and cutoff switch between batteries and everything else 40.00 fuses and cutoff switch between panels and everything else 40.00 charge controller - I have used shell 20's (120.00 with enclosure) successfully, though they are a bit low rated for the solar load - I have gone to Xantrex charge controllers with cute lights and battery temperature sensors (twice as much - 245 plus 29) voltage regulator (90.00) for 12 v to 18 v boost (range 6 v to 24 v) timer 50.00 (sometimes I set them up to be off from 1 am to 5 am, to save power during the gray, foggy period coming up)(December 1 to February 1) - that's why 4 batteries, too. It is better to add batteries than panels for the most part (see Kyocera panels above) and auto tilting mounts don't give us that much advantage up here above 45degrees north - just a few percent. In the southern lands, I'd give them a try. Enclosure for the stuff - varies, depending on whether I find a sweet box or build a little hut. ($ whatever) Grounding stuff. - rods, #2 copper wire, wire lugs, clamps. 100.00 About 5000.00 for a decent power setup for me. I am using Tranzeo radios, at 18 volts. Very Christmas-like, with the flickering lights on top of the tower... I have a generator handy for charging on really bad stretches - a Honda 2000i, for about 900.00, with a SERIOUS cable lock. And if the lousy communists/free spending democrats/stinking republican fascists/religious true believing kooks/screwed up militarists/nasty bird flu ridden ducks/global frying eco-terrorists/flaming radical libertarians make everything bad, I can harvest my stuff to power my house (WOO HOO!!) H maybe I should go take a look. I Am Armed. And carry sharp Multimeter probes. And, it's fun - bragging rights, ya know. I'll send you drawings if you want (on my time schedule - I am in the middle of an assembly right now :} ) There are several good supply houses for the parts, and most of them are Very Helpful. I'd tell you who I use, but that would be Bad Form. www.bigdam.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
