[WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
I have seen this before also. Chris is right to mention that the desktop and your laptop are likely reacting differently due to rec. sens. and / or power , IE fade margin differences. Not trying to shamelessly plug products here, but I find a wi-spy to be very helpful in this situation. Sometimes the noise source is simply not wifi related and the wi-spy will help you to identify the best frequency selection. Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you standardize on deployed wifi bridges / adapters and make sure you run the same equipment in your laptop. I've seen a lot of WISP techs who add higher end / power wifi adapters in their laptops and while it may be greatly beneficial from a daily use standpoint, as a tech it detracts from your ability to diagnose customer SINR issues. There are many non-wifi noise sources and the WiSpy is very much worth having. -Mark Williams On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:41 -0400, chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] For-sale
Is it against the rules to post equipment for sale on this list? I am not a vendor or reseller. -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Sheilded Cat5
We usually use Belden 7919a for tower applications. It's good cable and has served us well. It is however a little pricey. Can anyone else recommend a good, shielded exterior grade cable for vertical work that is less than $325/spool? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For-sale
We do allow principal members to post used equipment for sale as long as it is not excessive. If others start complaining, we may ask you to tone it down. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] For-sale Is it against the rules to post equipment for sale on this list? I am not a vendor or reseller. -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cat5
We pay less than 300 per spool. Boun @ CTI. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Sheilded Cat5 We usually use Belden 7919a for tower applications. It's good cable and has served us well. It is however a little pricey. Can anyone else recommend a good, shielded exterior grade cable for vertical work that is less than $325/spool? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Platypus alternatives
Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
We have been using it and have a manual batch export from Plat to QuickBooks for the deposit but it doesn't break down per customer or payment. We're looking to streamline this process if possible. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
In essence we do the same except we don't really need it broken down per customer- just import over to QuickBooks the totals for the different service types sold and then total deposits against that- any details about customer payments are in Platypus so we don't need to give customer service access to QuickBooks. So I guess the little bit of data we do manually each month is not that big a deal. Why do you need to move all that data from Platypus to QuickBooks anyhow? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives We have been using it and have a manual batch export from Plat to QuickBooks for the deposit but it doesn't break down per customer or payment. We're looking to streamline this process if possible. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
Our biggest issue is being able to determine different payment types (VISA, Master Card, Check, etc.). Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:58 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives In essence we do the same except we don't really need it broken down per customer- just import over to QuickBooks the totals for the different service types sold and then total deposits against that- any details about customer payments are in Platypus so we don't need to give customer service access to QuickBooks. So I guess the little bit of data we do manually each month is not that big a deal. Why do you need to move all that data from Platypus to QuickBooks anyhow? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives We have been using it and have a manual batch export from Plat to QuickBooks for the deposit but it doesn't break down per customer or payment. We're looking to streamline this process if possible. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
FYI- All Visa cards start with 4, all MasterCard start with 5, all Discover cards start with 6, all American Express and Diners' Club start with 3, UATP cards start with 1, airline cards start with 2. In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:07:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our biggest issue is being able to determine different payment types (VISA, Master Card, Check, etc.). **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Chris- The laptop and the PCI card in the desktop are not equal... the laptop is an old hp pavilion ze4900 with the stock card/antenna, and the PCI card was branded LevelOne WNC-301. Not sure of the specs on either, but I have used a lot of those PCI cards... 40+, and they have consistently performed well, and way better than the laptop has. So yes, it is possible that the PCI card is hearing something that the laptop isn't... but it doesn't seem to be affecting the AP. I did try a small panel antenna on the PCI card instead of the omni that came with it, and there was no difference, but that little panel (one of the D-Link 7db ones i think) isn't overly directional either. It is just really strange to be sitting next to the desktop unit, logged in with my laptop, able to use WinBox to manipulate the channels on the AP, never drop the connection with the laptop, never even have to re-login to winbox, because the laptop followed the AP channels fast enough, cycle through all of the channels, and watch the desktop right next to me fail to even detect the AP on channels 1-8, and connect with RSSI's of 60-65 on channels 9-11. I thought of interference from something, but... Is it possible that the interference could be within the Desktop unit itself? It was a Dell. Could it have been a driver issue? I did change the PCI slot the card was in also, but that didn't change anything either. John chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rohn Torque Arms
I have a small (80 foot) Rohn 25G tower going up hopefully Friday, but I need two torque arms and a vendor failed to tell us they were backordered until next month. does anyone have a couple to spare they could get to me next day air? Please e-mail me offlist or call my cell phone. Cameron Midcoast Internet Solutions (207) 691-5550 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Thanks for the reply. Good advice from both you and Chris. I actually am just using the plain jane wireless adapter that walmart had put in this old HP Pavilion ze4900. As a general rule it does fairly well, but not so well that it would out-perform the PCI cards I use. I figure if the laptop will connect, the PCI card will definitely work, usually a lot better. Unless... something happens like what did yesterday. Sure wish I knew what was happening. The recommendation for wi-spy is appreciated. John Mark Williams wrote: I have seen this before also. Chris is right to mention that the desktop and your laptop are likely reacting differently due to rec. sens. and / or power , IE fade margin differences. Not trying to shamelessly plug products here, but I find a wi-spy to be very helpful in this situation. Sometimes the noise source is simply not wifi related and the wi-spy will help you to identify the best frequency selection. Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you standardize on deployed wifi bridges / adapters and make sure you run the same equipment in your laptop. I've seen a lot of WISP techs who add higher end / power wifi adapters in their laptops and while it may be greatly beneficial from a daily use standpoint, as a tech it detracts from your ability to diagnose customer SINR issues. There are many non-wifi noise sources and the WiSpy is very much worth having. -Mark Williams On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:41 -0400, chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For-sale
On either list? Paid list or free? Maybe keep that extra clutter off the paid list? Rick Harnish wrote: We do allow principal members to post used equipment for sale as long as it is not excessive. If others start complaining, we may ask you to tone it down. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] For-sale Is it against the rules to post equipment for sale on this list? I am not a vendor or reseller. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For-sale
Yes, keep it on the wireless@wispa.org list. There are more lurkers on this list anyways so the seller might have a better chance of selling their equipment here. That said, if a member has equipment for sale that they want to give other members first dibs at, I don't think anyone will throw to big of a fit if it is posted on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] members list under those terms. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For-sale On either list? Paid list or free? Maybe keep that extra clutter off the paid list? Rick Harnish wrote: We do allow principal members to post used equipment for sale as long as it is not excessive. If others start complaining, we may ask you to tone it down. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] For-sale Is it against the rules to post equipment for sale on this list? I am not a vendor or reseller. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
It could be something else in the 2.4 gig range that is not wifi and thats why you can't see it in a survey. Something that comes to mind, 2.4gig cameras. The proprietary ones that are not wifi or ip cams. George J. Vogel wrote: Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
I second the wireless video camera problem. They spew constantly no matter what they are watching because they constantly transmit. We had an Ag customer whose connection went down. When we went to the site (because we couldn't communicate with the CPE), we saw that they were having a small expo of their products ag systems. One of these systems was wireless video surveillance for livestock. We asked them to turn the system off and the wireless Inet link came back up. Then we had them turn it back on and change the channel. Life was good then. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. It could be something else in the 2.4 gig range that is not wifi and thats why you can't see it in a survey. Something that comes to mind, 2.4gig cameras. The proprietary ones that are not wifi or ip cams. George J. Vogel wrote: Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Strange stuff happens sometimes. Here's an example from here. Two days ago I was at a customer's site. Been there for about 9 months. Things were working just fine. Then they started to flake out and eventually quit completely. They were connected to the ap and had an rssi of -76 or so. There was one pine tree in the way but the link was only 3 blocks. Today I pulled down the amp'd omni and put up a 10dB omni with no amp (furthest customer has turned out to be a mere 3 miles). Service wouldn't work with an Inscape data radio that has 9dB built in antenna. Pulled out the Teletronics ap and put in a Mikrotik unit with an xr2 card. Now things seem to be working, the customer that had no service two days ago got 2.8 megs today. Not bad for a 3 meg dsl fed system. Go figure. marlon - Original Message - From: J. Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Thanks for the reply. Good advice from both you and Chris. I actually am just using the plain jane wireless adapter that walmart had put in this old HP Pavilion ze4900. As a general rule it does fairly well, but not so well that it would out-perform the PCI cards I use. I figure if the laptop will connect, the PCI card will definitely work, usually a lot better. Unless... something happens like what did yesterday. Sure wish I knew what was happening. The recommendation for wi-spy is appreciated. John Mark Williams wrote: I have seen this before also. Chris is right to mention that the desktop and your laptop are likely reacting differently due to rec. sens. and / or power , IE fade margin differences. Not trying to shamelessly plug products here, but I find a wi-spy to be very helpful in this situation. Sometimes the noise source is simply not wifi related and the wi-spy will help you to identify the best frequency selection. Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you standardize on deployed wifi bridges / adapters and make sure you run the same equipment in your laptop. I've seen a lot of WISP techs who add higher end / power wifi adapters in their laptops and while it may be greatly beneficial from a daily use standpoint, as a tech it detracts from your ability to diagnose customer SINR issues. There are many non-wifi noise sources and the WiSpy is very much worth having. -Mark Williams On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:41 -0400, chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] For-sale
I'm always interested in what people have available. I don't have any problem with an occasional post. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For-sale Yes, keep it on the wireless@wispa.org list. There are more lurkers on this list anyways so the seller might have a better chance of selling their equipment here. That said, if a member has equipment for sale that they want to give other members first dibs at, I don't think anyone will throw to big of a fit if it is posted on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] members list under those terms. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For-sale On either list? Paid list or free? Maybe keep that extra clutter off the paid list? Rick Harnish wrote: We do allow principal members to post used equipment for sale as long as it is not excessive. If others start complaining, we may ask you to tone it down. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] For-sale Is it against the rules to post equipment for sale on this list? I am not a vendor or reseller. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - IntraMeta Corporation
WISPA has been growing by leaps and bounds lately in both WISP operator members and vendor members. I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you all to WISPA's newest Vendor Member - Kris Efland and IntraMeta Corporation. We appreciate their support of the WISP industry with their membership in WISPA. Please remember to give IntraMeta and all of our WISPA Vendor Members a shot at your business. I always give our vendors first shot at my business because it is always good to help those who help you. I am sure I speak for us all when I say Welcome Kris and IntraMeta - we are glad to have you aboard. Here is a little about IntraMeta and Kris Efland: IntraMeta is a software development company that has created BOSS, an integrated, end-to-end, back office OSS solution specifically designed for cost efficiency and scalability for small to medium sized service providers. With a choice of installed or hosted web-based services, BOSS is both cost effective and scalable. BOSS offers a total, end-to-end solution with a single view into IP Services, Provisioning, Subscriber Management, Network Monitoring, Ticketing and Business Workflow. This unified solution allows you to monitor and manage your business in the most dynamic and cost-effective manner. If you would like to learn more or see a demo of BOSS, please visit our website: intrameta.com, or send me an e-mail and I will be happy to provide some more information. Best regards, Kris Kris R. Efland Chief Operating Officer IntraMeta 972-231-5999 // intrameta.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
