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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick

Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me! 

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I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 beers, 
2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.   ;-)


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> Who is at MUM?
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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess

Could be worse, ISPCON had 8 buck Sloppy Joes! 

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Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me! 

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I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 beers, 
2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.   ;-)


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Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-16 Thread Cameron Kilton

I want to you use Freeside badly for a while now, but the Billing
Manager is nervous transferring data? Does anybody know if you can set a
single billing day within Freeside? IE? The 17th of every month.

-Cameron
Midcoast Internet

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Freeside is the new interface.

I only use Mikrotik devices (including CPE, which are the customer's 
router).


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> What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our
PPPoE.
> One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass
> the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time
> connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the
> cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports.
>
> -Cameron
> Midcoast Internet
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>
> It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries
> rate
> limiting information as well.  I'm switching to having the PPPoE
backed
> by
> RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I
can
> change anything relating to the customer from a central interface.
>
> There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment.
> My
> CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP.  If it didn't, every router sold
> today
> has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route.
I
> am
> 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network.  It
should
>
> only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be
> more
> than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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>
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>
>
>>> PPPoE
>>
>> Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The
> only
>> benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement
> in
>> ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and
> tower
>> logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the
meantime,
> you
>> risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps
> to
>> set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things
> will
>> "just work" 90% of the time.
>>
>> Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious.
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-16 Thread Jory Privett

Yes  you can

Jory Privett
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- Original Message - 
From: "Cameron Kilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema


>I want to you use Freeside badly for a while now, but the Billing
> Manager is nervous transferring data? Does anybody know if you can set a
> single billing day within Freeside? IE? The 17th of every month.
>
> -Cameron
> Midcoast Internet
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:58 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>
> Freeside is the new interface.
>
> I only use Mikrotik devices (including CPE, which are the customer's
> router).
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cameron Kilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>
>
>> What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our
> PPPoE.
>> One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass
>> the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time
>> connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the
>> cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports.
>>
>> -Cameron
>> Midcoast Internet
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>>
>> It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries
>> rate
>> limiting information as well.  I'm switching to having the PPPoE
> backed
>> by
>> RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I
> can
>> change anything relating to the customer from a central interface.
>>
>> There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment.
>> My
>> CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP.  If it didn't, every router sold
>> today
>> has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route.
> I
>> am
>> 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network.  It
> should
>>
>> only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be
>> more
>> than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>>
>>
 PPPoE
>>>
>>> Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The
>> only
>>> benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement
>> in
>>> ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and
>> tower
>>> logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the
> meantime,
>> you
>>> risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps
>> to
>>> set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things
>> will
>>> "just work" 90% of the time.
>>>
>>> Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Merkel

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149&Tpk=FVX538NA

It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
else has found to work well.

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Barnes

I have had some poor results with dual wan routers for SOHO.  Load balancing
really causes issues due to connection switching in the middle of a session.
Fail over works OK generally but never seen one that you can separate
in-bound and out-bound to different wans.  Suppose if you set WAN1 as the
Primary and wan2 as failover and setup VPN to access the IP on WAN2 it
should work as long as the firmware rev likes that config.  Interesting
idea.  Sounds like it should function as long as the DSL is stable and
doesn't cause lots of failovers.  Again I would not Load Balance them.

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PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149&Tpk=FVX538NA

It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
else has found to work well.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Larry A Weidig

We have been using the Linksys RV042 and RV082 routers which
both have dual WAN ports.  We have had good success with these.  The
only difference being 4 10/100 or 8 10/100 ports.  Hope this helps!

Larry

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149&Tpk=FVX5
38NA

It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
else has found to work well.

Thanks,
Eric




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Reed

Mikrotik.  The new 433 board will support 3 Ethernet and 3 wireless cards. 
Full routing, VPN server/client, ...

Eric Merkel wrote:
> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
> redundancy.
>
> I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149&Tpk=FVX538NA
>
> It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
> else has found to work well.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread David E. Smith

Steve Barnes wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
> redundancy.

Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick

Yeah, you have to leave everything you know about what things cost outside
the tradeshow door.  

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Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:02 AM
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Could be worse, ISPCON had 8 buck Sloppy Joes! 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM

Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me! 

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM

I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 beers, 
2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.   ;-)


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[WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Patrick Leary

We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
"AlvarionNANO" (North American News Online). Some good stuff in there,
including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
please mail me OFFLIST.

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess

We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

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Steve Barnes wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
> redundancy.

Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

You could always pay Butch Evans to set it up.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
> redundancy.

Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Merkel

Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature? Basically it pings the
gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
something more geared to the small office market where the customer
may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
want some simple load balancing/failover.

-Eric

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
>> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
>> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
>> redundancy.
>
> Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has
> essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get
> the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If
> they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.
>
> The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in
> your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same
> thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Travis Johnson





Hi,

How does this work if they are using a real subnet "inside" their
network that is supplied by one of the providers?

Travis
Microserv

Dennis Burgess wrote:

  We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

  
  
Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

  
  
Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Randy Cosby

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Routing

Quite a few examples and ideas of how to do this.  Maybe this would be a 
good place to start.  If these look like more than you want to bite off, 
hire an expert, or buy a pre-configured unit like a Linksys.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-16 Thread reader

They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.

They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it.  they 
could poll the public and extrapolate.   They could do ANY number of things 
that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.

And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A LONG 
WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES"instead we're here 
trying to console each other or something?

It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the 
government to get back in line, it is our civic duty.  Congress has every 
right to tell the FCC to find out information.   The FCC has no right 
whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free.

And so, yes.   We SHOULD object.  Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT.  And then 
back it by by NOT.

Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then.

What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing 
footsies with the FCC?   That's a one way street.  We give, they take. 
Repeat ad nauseum.   Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think 
twice before they screwed us over repeatedly.










- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach


> That's not quite accurate.  There is a law on the books that directs the 
> FCC
> to find out such info.  They have no choice.
>
> And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting
> requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty 
> worthless.
> Everyone knows it.
>
> We are simply reaping what we've sown.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach
>
>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> I am in an industry filled with jellyfish.
>>
>> It is unbelievably depressing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s 
>> reach
>>
>>
>>> There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention
>>> that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census
>>> block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit 
>>> of
>>> study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create 
>>> them
>>> yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match) 
>>> your
>>> customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. Most
>>> GIS
>>> tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each
>>> customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since 
>>> they
>>> will not geocode properly to the actual customer location.
>>> If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure
>>> something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s
>>> reach
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is.
>>>
>>> Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but 
>>> the
>>> only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are
>>> required
>>> to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of
>>> the
>>> census unit each customer and count them up.   At this moment, I have no
>>> idea what a "census unit" is, how it is determined, or even how to find
>>> out
>>> that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over
>>> thousands
>>> of square miles.   Frankly, I haven't the time.
>>>
>>> Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather
>>> man-hour
>>> intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers.
>>>
>>> Is WISPA going to lobby to defend us from this big pile of free labor 
>>> the
>>> FCC wants us to do so they can claim political credit, or are they going
>>> to
>>> sell us down the river by lobbying for it?   It seemed that no organized
>>> resistance existed for the first mandate to report, and unless we start
>>> defending ourselves from the do-gooders in DC, we're going to end up 
>>> with
>>> mountains of work and nothing but a headache and some legal papers from
>>> bankruptcy court to show for it.
>>>
>>> Every industry I know of is VEHEMENT in telling the federal goverment to
>>> back off fro

Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown

So, do we now have an Alvarion NANO station?  I am sure Ubiquity loves it 
when anyone uses NANO in anything...
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> We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
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> including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
> road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
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> Cheers,
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess

Have to use BGP for that,  assuming that a DSL Provider allows that, and
most don't.  This was just load balancing and failover. 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Hi,

How does this work if they are using a real subnet "inside" their network
that is supplied by one of the providers?

Travis
Microserv

Dennis Burgess wrote: 

We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess

We can do this for you if you wish.  

Dennis M. Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
--WISP/Network Support Services--
+1 314-735-0270

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
> redundancy.

Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Merkel

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature? Basically it pings the
> gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
> interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
> dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
> something more geared to the small office market where the customer
> may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
> want some simple load balancing/failover.
>
> -Eric
>

No one specifically answered, but does MT use a "dead gateway" feature
like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?

-Eric



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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown

Hold your horses there a bit, the FCC is tasked to produce the highest and 
best use for the public commonly held electromagnetic spectrum.  They have a 
stewardship and are "trying" to do their job.  We exist due to the 
relaxation of their modulation regulations and the fact they continually 
elbow the hams off their turf.  This is covered by the legal doctrine of the 
"commons".  I can remember when spread spectrum was not allowed (not too 
long ago).  I can remember when the ISM bands were created.  The FCC is our 
friend, whether or not you believe it.
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach


> They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
>
> They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it. 
> they
> could poll the public and extrapolate.   They could do ANY number of 
> things
> that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.
>
> And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A 
> LONG
> WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES"instead we're here
> trying to console each other or something?
>
> It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the
> government to get back in line, it is our civic duty.  Congress has every
> right to tell the FCC to find out information.   The FCC has no right
> whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free.
>
> And so, yes.   We SHOULD object.  Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT.  And then
> back it by by NOT.
>
> Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then.
>
> What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing
> footsies with the FCC?   That's a one way street.  We give, they take.
> Repeat ad nauseum.   Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think
> twice before they screwed us over repeatedly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach
>
>
>> That's not quite accurate.  There is a law on the books that directs the
>> FCC
>> to find out such info.  They have no choice.
>>
>> And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting
>> requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty
>> worthless.
>> Everyone knows it.
>>
>> We are simply reaping what we've sown.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s 
>> reach
>>
>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> I am in an industry filled with jellyfish.
>>>
>>> It is unbelievably depressing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s
>>> reach
>>>
>>>
 There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention
 that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census
 block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit
 of
 study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create
 them
 yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match)
 your
 customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. 
 Most
 GIS
 tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each
 customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since
 they
 will not geocode properly to the actual customer location.
 If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure
 something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com 


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s
 reach


 I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is.

 Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but
 the
 only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are
 required
 to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of
 the
 census unit each customer and count them up.   At this moment, I have 
 no
 idea what a "census unit" is, how it is determined, or even how to find
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread David E. Smith

Eric Merkel wrote:
> Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature?

Yup. When creating routes, there are a few options under 
"check-gateway," including "ping" (if the gateway for a given route 
isn't pingable it isn't used).

Travis Johnson wrote:
> How does this work if they are using a real subnet "inside" their
> network that is supplied by one of the providers?

That's gonna be a problem, but you'd have that problem with any dual-WAN 
router. Unless their allocation is large enough that you could set up 
BGP, and get the second ISP to announce the first ISP's address space, 
but good luck with that. That usually implies a /24 (minimum), and a 
customer that large will probably have other exciting requirements anyway.

If they're running servers at their location that are accessed by the 
outside world, unless you use something like Dynamic DNS, they'll have 
the same problem with dual-WAN and failover. This is a great opportunity 
to sell them hosting or colocation :P

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow

Like going to Disney ;)

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> Yeah, you have to leave everything you know about what things cost outside
> the tradeshow door.  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
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> I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 beers, 
> 2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.   ;-)
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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread D. Ryan Spott

With less or more mouse ears?!

;)

ryan

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Like going to Disney ;)

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> Yeah, you have to leave everything you know about what things cost outside
> the tradeshow door.  
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> Could be worse, ISPCON had 8 buck Sloppy Joes! 
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> Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me! 
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> I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 beers, 
> 2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.   ;-)
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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick

Fewer mouse ears and more tin foil hats.  :-) 

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With less or more mouse ears?!

;)

ryan

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Like going to Disney ;)

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> Yeah, you have to leave everything you know about what things cost 
> outside the tradeshow door.
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> Could be worse, ISPCON had 8 buck Sloppy Joes! 
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> Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me! 
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> I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2
beers, 
> 2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers.
;-)
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Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-16 Thread Cameron Kilton

Sweet, baby steps.

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Yes  you can

Jory Privett
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>I want to you use Freeside badly for a while now, but the Billing
> Manager is nervous transferring data? Does anybody know if you can set
a
> single billing day within Freeside? IE? The 17th of every month.
>
> -Cameron
> Midcoast Internet
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> Freeside is the new interface.
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> I only use Mikrotik devices (including CPE, which are the customer's
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>> What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our
> PPPoE.
>> One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass
>> the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time
>> connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the
>> cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports.
>>
>> -Cameron
>> Midcoast Internet
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>> -Original Message-
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>> It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries
>> rate
>> limiting information as well.  I'm switching to having the PPPoE
> backed
>> by
>> RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I
> can
>> change anything relating to the customer from a central interface.
>>
>> There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment.
>> My
>> CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP.  If it didn't, every router
sold
>> today
>> has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route.
> I
>> am
>> 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network.  It
> should
>>
>> only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be
>> more
>> than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE.
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>>
 PPPoE
>>>
>>> Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE.
The
>> only
>>> benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged
improvement
>> in
>>> ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and
>> tower
>>> logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the
> meantime,
>> you
>>> risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special
steps
>> to
>>> set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things
>> will
>>> "just work" 90% of the time.
>>>
>>> Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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[WISPA] 3.650

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Cowan

Hi All,

How many of you have deployed 3.650 in your networks?


Mike



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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Reed

Yes, you can setup the "dead gateway" feature.
Check out the MT site for how-to documents and a list of consultants 
that can help.

Eric Merkel wrote:
> Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature? Basically it pings the
> gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
> interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
> dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
> something more geared to the small office market where the customer
> may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
> want some simple load balancing/failover.
>
> -Eric
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> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Steve Barnes wrote:
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>>> Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
>>> a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
>>> VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
>>> redundancy.
>>>   
>> Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has
>> essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get
>> the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If
>> they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.
>>
>> The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in
>> your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same
>> thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.
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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

me

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Re: [WISPA] MUM

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Well, what I meant by that was that I registered for 2 people for the event. 
I was the only one to be able to make it and I didn't arrive until 6 pm. 
All that other stuff was "free".


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> Sounds like tradeshow pricing to me!
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> I'm there, but gone already.  Don't have the time.  Spent $100 for 2 
> beers,
> 2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers. 
> ;-)
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Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

I don't know.  It seems others have answered, but I haven't read them yet. 
It is open source, so you can technically do anything you want.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Cameron Kilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema


>I want to you use Freeside badly for a while now, but the Billing
> Manager is nervous transferring data? Does anybody know if you can set a
> single billing day within Freeside? IE? The 17th of every month.
>
> -Cameron
> Midcoast Internet
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>
> Freeside is the new interface.
>
> I only use Mikrotik devices (including CPE, which are the customer's
> router).
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cameron Kilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
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>
>> What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our
> PPPoE.
>> One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass
>> the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time
>> connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the
>> cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports.
>>
>> -Cameron
>> Midcoast Internet
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>>
>> It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries
>> rate
>> limiting information as well.  I'm switching to having the PPPoE
> backed
>> by
>> RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I
> can
>> change anything relating to the customer from a central interface.
>>
>> There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment.
>> My
>> CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP.  If it didn't, every router sold
>> today
>> has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route.
> I
>> am
>> 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network.  It
> should
>>
>> only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be
>> more
>> than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
>>
>>
 PPPoE
>>>
>>> Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The
>> only
>>> benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement
>> in
>>> ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and
>> tower
>>> logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the
> meantime,
>> you
>>> risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps
>> to
>>> set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things
>> will
>>> "just work" 90% of the time.
>>>
>>> Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Yeah, Marlon, off list.  :-p


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> We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
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> including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
> road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
> please mail me OFFLIST.
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> Cheers,
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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

I think people get too worked up over nothing.


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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach


> They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
>
> They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it. 
> they
> could poll the public and extrapolate.   They could do ANY number of 
> things
> that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.
>
> And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A 
> LONG
> WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES"instead we're here
> trying to console each other or something?
>
> It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the
> government to get back in line, it is our civic duty.  Congress has every
> right to tell the FCC to find out information.   The FCC has no right
> whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free.
>
> And so, yes.   We SHOULD object.  Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT.  And then
> back it by by NOT.
>
> Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then.
>
> What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing
> footsies with the FCC?   That's a one way street.  We give, they take.
> Repeat ad nauseum.   Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think
> twice before they screwed us over repeatedly.
>
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>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach
>
>
>> That's not quite accurate.  There is a law on the books that directs the
>> FCC
>> to find out such info.  They have no choice.
>>
>> And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting
>> requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty
>> worthless.
>> Everyone knows it.
>>
>> We are simply reaping what we've sown.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s 
>> reach
>>
>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> I am in an industry filled with jellyfish.
>>>
>>> It is unbelievably depressing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s
>>> reach
>>>
>>>
 There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention
 that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census
 block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit
 of
 study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create
 them
 yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match)
 your
 customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. 
 Most
 GIS
 tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each
 customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since
 they
 will not geocode properly to the actual customer location.
 If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure
 something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com 


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 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s
 reach


 I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is.

 Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but
 the
 only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are
 required
 to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of
 the
 census unit each customer and count them up.   At this moment, I have 
 no
 idea what a "census unit" is, how it is determined, or even how to find
 out
 that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over
 thousands
 of square miles.   Frankly, I haven't the time.

 Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather
 man-hour
 intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers.

 Is WISPA going to lobby to defend us from this big pile of free labor
 the
 FCC wants us to do so they can claim p

Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

Not that I think the same (though I sense joking), but Apple would be out 
more with the IPod nano than the Ubiquiti anything...


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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:14 PM
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> So, do we now have an Alvarion NANO station?  I am sure Ubiquity loves it
> when anyone uses NANO in anything...
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>> We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
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>> including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
>> road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
>> please mail me OFFLIST.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> AVP, Market Development
>> Alvarion, Inc.
>> o: 650.314.2628
>> c: 760.580.0080
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

I'm pretty sure they do, but I'm not the expert.


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> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature? Basically it pings the
>> gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
>> interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
>> dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
>> something more geared to the small office market where the customer
>> may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
>> want some simple load balancing/failover.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>
> No one specifically answered, but does MT use a "dead gateway" feature
> like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
> dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?
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Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 2

I just tease Patrick every chance I can.
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:59 PM
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> Not that I think the same (though I sense joking), but Apple would be out
> more with the IPod nano than the Ubiquiti anything...
>
>
> --
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
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>
>> So, do we now have an Alvarion NANO station?  I am sure Ubiquity loves it
>> when anyone uses NANO in anything...
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:56 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
>>
>>
>>> We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
>>> "AlvarionNANO" (North American News Online). Some good stuff in there,
>>> including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
>>> road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
>>> please mail me OFFLIST.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> AVP, Market Development
>>> Alvarion, Inc.
>>> o: 650.314.2628
>>> c: 760.580.0080
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett

He can take it, so more power to ya!


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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:03 PM
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>I just tease Patrick every chance I can.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
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>
>> Not that I think the same (though I sense joking), but Apple would be out
>> more with the IPod nano than the Ubiquiti anything...
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
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>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
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>>
>>> So, do we now have an Alvarion NANO station?  I am sure Ubiquity loves 
>>> it
>>> when anyone uses NANO in anything...
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:56 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
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>>>
 We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
 "AlvarionNANO" (North American News Online). Some good stuff in there,
 including a great story about Wisper in MN, product news, schedules of
 road show seminars, etc. If you did not get a copy and would like one,
 please mail me OFFLIST.

 Cheers,

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 AVP, Market Development
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
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Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...

2008-05-16 Thread Patrick Leary

:)  Mostly, yes.

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He can take it, so more power to ya!


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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:03 PM
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>I just tease Patrick every chance I can.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
>
>
>> Not that I think the same (though I sense joking), but Apple would be
out
>> more with the IPod nano than the Ubiquiti anything...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
>>
>>
>>> So, do we now have an Alvarion NANO station?  I am sure Ubiquity
loves 
>>> it
>>> when anyone uses NANO in anything...
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:56 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] so who got a copy of the new "NANO"?...
>>>
>>>
 We re-launched our 6 times yearly newsletter, under the name
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Hardy

Yes you can setup this feature in the Routes section for failover, you
can create two routes with different Distances and have the lower
distance route use the Check Gateway ping feature. 
If it quits pinging it will switch to the route with the higher distance
setting.

As far as load balancing, you'll have to setup mangle rules to handle
this. There are examples in the wiki for this as well.

-Matt

On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 17:00 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I'm pretty sure they do, but I'm not the expert.
> 
> 
> --
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eric Merkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router
> 
> 
> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Does Mikrotik have the "dead gateway" feature? Basically it pings the
> >> gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
> >> interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
> >> dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
> >> something more geared to the small office market where the customer
> >> may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
> >> want some simple load balancing/failover.
> >>
> >> -Eric
> >>
> >
> > No one specifically answered, but does MT use a "dead gateway" feature
> > like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
> > dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?
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[WISPA] WISPA AWARDS @ISPCON

2008-05-16 Thread Mac Dearman


All right - 


   Someone needs to release a few pictures of the awards being presented
from WISPA along with who received the awards, what the awards were for, who
presented the awards and a general run down of all things pertinent that
took place at ISPCON.

Any actions by anyone I know while attending ISPCON that would embarrass
that individual - - or good for blackmail at a later date would also be nice
to know (hehehe) Anything too juicy for the list can always be sent
(along with any pics) to my personal email.

 I hope all you guys had a great time and it will be a productive outing for
WISPA. I sure hate I couldn't attend, but I bet I do a better job of
scheduling my calendar next time around! These events are about the only
time I can get around to seeing all my colleagues, vendors and members of
WISPA that I have yet to have the pleasure of meeting. Its also the only
time Jeff Broadwick will buy me a beer!

 J.C.  - - did you buy everyone dinner AGAIN? 


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Re: [WISPA] WISPA AWARDS @ISPCON

2008-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick

Now that's just not right...you know I'd buy you a beer anytime!

Unfortunately we didn't have a photographer at the Wispa party to get pix of
the honorees, but only two were able to be there, J.C. and Scriv.  

Jeff 

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All right - 


   Someone needs to release a few pictures of the awards being presented
from WISPA along with who received the awards, what the awards were for, who
presented the awards and a general run down of all things pertinent that
took place at ISPCON.

Any actions by anyone I know while attending ISPCON that would embarrass
that individual - - or good for blackmail at a later date would also be nice
to know (hehehe) Anything too juicy for the list can always be sent
(along with any pics) to my personal email.

 I hope all you guys had a great time and it will be a productive outing for
WISPA. I sure hate I couldn't attend, but I bet I do a better job of
scheduling my calendar next time around! These events are about the only
time I can get around to seeing all my colleagues, vendors and members of
WISPA that I have yet to have the pleasure of meeting. Its also the only
time Jeff Broadwick will buy me a beer!

 J.C.  - - did you buy everyone dinner AGAIN? 


Later Guys,
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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broad bands reach

2008-05-16 Thread Scottie Arnett


But were those bands created for WISPS, or for all the home routers, 
telephones, etc and we get to piggy back on them? IMHO, the only thing I have 
saw the FCC do for WISPS is the 3650 band, and not all of us can use it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 16 May 2008 12:19:39 -0600

>Hold your horses there a bit, the FCC is tasked to produce the highest and 
>best use for the public commonly held electromagnetic spectrum.  They have a 
>stewardship and are "trying" to do their job.  We exist due to the 
>relaxation of their modulation regulations and the fact they continually 
>elbow the hams off their turf.  This is covered by the legal doctrine of the 
>"commons".  I can remember when spread spectrum was not allowed (not too 
>long ago).  I can remember when the ISM bands were created.  The FCC is our 
>friend, whether or not you believe it.
>- Original Message - 
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands reach
>
>
>> They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
>>
>> They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it. 
>> they
>> could poll the public and extrapolate.   They could do ANY number of 
>> things
>> that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.
>>
>> And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A 
>> LONG
>> WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES"instead we're here
>> trying to console each other or something?
>>
>> It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the
>> government to get back in line, it is our civic duty.  Congress has every
>> right to tell the FCC to find out information.   The FCC has no right
>> whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free.
>>
>> And so, yes.   We SHOULD object.  Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT.  And then
>> back it by by NOT.
>>
>> Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then.
>>
>> What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing
>> footsies with the FCC?   That's a one way street.  We give, they take.
>> Repeat ad nauseum.   Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think
>> twice before they screwed us over repeatedly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands reach
>>
>>
>>> That's not quite accurate.  There is a law on the books that directs the
>>> FCC
>>> to find out such info.  They have no choice.
>>>
>>> And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting
>>> requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty
>>> worthless.
>>> Everyone knows it.
>>>
>>> We are simply reaping what we've sown.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands 
>>> reach
>>>
>>>
 Sigh.

 I am in an industry filled with jellyfish.

 It is unbelievably depressing.




 
 

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands
 reach


> There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention
> that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census
> block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit
> of
> study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create
> them
> yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match)
> your
> customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. 
> Most
> GIS
> tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each
> customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since
> they
> will not geocode properly to the actual customer location.
> If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure
> something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for

Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broad band's reach

2008-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown - 2

No matter where you create a radio frequency service, you are forcing the 
current occupant to share it with you or in some cases they are being booted 
from their turf.  UHF TV has been eaten away at for about 20 years.  First 
for trunking two way and SMR systems then for cellular and more cellular and 
now more cellular.  The Motorola brick phone was on the cover of popular 
science in 1976 and how long did it take for the FCC to carve out a spot for 
them?  10 years.

The FCC allowed bandwidths and modulation schemes to be used for part 15 
purposes that were never before allowed.  That enabled us to exist.  They 
could have forced data and telemetry to stay slow speed or totally licensed 
but they didn't, they let us take over some ham turf for the purpose of 
making money.  And they didn't even charge us for the spectrum or even a 
license.  I am grateful.

Those bands were "created" for those with the know how to create products. 
High speed data was one of those products.  I spent years trying to spin the 
word telemetry so that I could infer that my "high speed" data products were 
legal.  They ran at a whopping 9600 bps in the UHF splinter channels using 
such "advanced" modulation as QAM subcarriers on FM.  (Because QAM was not 
allowed as a direct modulation method on those bands. Nor was FSK with any 
decent modulation index).  And those were all licensed ($$$) and frequency 
coordinated($$$) through NABER.

Gheeze folks, we have a wonderful thing here, courtesy of our regulators and 
technology providers and it keeps getting better.  If we cooperate with the 
FCC to prove that they made a good decision and that we are good stewards of 
the commons, then perhaps they will slowly open up new opportunities to us. 
But regulators run on data and studies.  All the while they get budget 
squeezes and more requests from congress.  The FCC knows of the WISP 
phenomena; I know this personally because I have presented ex parte 
testimony in the whitespaces docket.  They are enthused at our successes and 
point to our industry as a model of inventiveness.  There is no nefarious 
purpose for their data requests.

Y'all have it easy compared to the regulated public utility business, 
believe me, you ain't seen nutin' yet when it comes to data requests.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach



But were those bands created for WISPS, or for all the home routers, 
telephones, etc and we get to piggy back on them? IMHO, the only thing I 
have saw the FCC do for WISPS is the 3650 band, and not all of us can use 
it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 16 May 2008 12:19:39 -0600

>Hold your horses there a bit, the FCC is tasked to produce the highest and
>best use for the public commonly held electromagnetic spectrum.  They have 
>a
>stewardship and are "trying" to do their job.  We exist due to the
>relaxation of their modulation regulations and the fact they continually
>elbow the hams off their turf.  This is covered by the legal doctrine of 
>the
>"commons".  I can remember when spread spectrum was not allowed (not too
>long ago).  I can remember when the ISM bands were created.  The FCC is our
>friend, whether or not you believe it.
>- Original Message - 
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
>
>
>> They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
>>
>> They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it.
>> they
>> could poll the public and extrapolate.   They could do ANY number of
>> things
>> that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money.
>>
>> And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A
>> LONG
>> WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES"instead we're here
>> trying to console each other or something?
>>
>> It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the
>> government to get back in line, it is our civic duty.  Congress has every
>> right to tell the FCC to find out information.   The FCC has no right
>> whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free.
>>
>> And so, yes.   We SHOULD object.  Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT.  And 
>> then
>> back it by by NOT.
>>
>> Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then.
>>
>> What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing
>> footsies with the FCC?   That's a one way street.  We give, they take.
>> Repeat ad nauseum.   Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think
>> twice before they screwed us over repeatedly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "

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