Re: [WISPA] stopgap for congested wi-fi channel
Rogelio wrote: Leon Zetekoff wrote: Is is just one channel or the entire band(s). What if you use 5 or 10 mhz channels? That's what I'm going to go for. I was just hoping for something else to do in the interim, like tweaking RTS/CTS values or something. As Jack said earlier there can be many reasons for this. Is this a residential area? Is the NF poor on both 2.4 and 5g and across the whole band(s)? Have you tried turning the radios to see if it's from a specific direction? Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions?
Wind resistance should be fairly easy to deal with. Just more radios, closer together, with smaller antennas :-). marlon - Original Message - From: scubacuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I helped design a network that worked through a hurricane out on the barrier islands near NC. We did NOT use adhoc but rather put in ptp or ptmp stations. It was pretty amazing to see video feeds from inside the hurricane. Cool stuff. We used mainly Zcomax gear at the time. Just off the shelf stuff. Let me know if I can be of help. Maybe I can get lucky and find the guy that actually built if for you. Very cool, I will pass on that info, as well as the info of those who wrote me privately. The project (to my knowledge) isn't a go yet, it's just a pain point that I know that they eventually have to address. Right now, he's generally looking for vendors that are willing to put in writing some of their ruggedness claims or have had experience putting up installations in tough environments. For example, BelAir Networks says (something like) the following in their claims: BelAir nodes and mounting systems are designed to operate and survive in windy conditions of up to 165mph gust, 100mph sustained. While those claims may look okay, and their brackets look okay, I'm wondering if the antennas could take the same abuse. Is there hurricane resistant antennas? Thanks for the feedback! This info is great! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] stopgap for congested wi-fi channel
Yikes! MT radios with the squelch function. BIG antennas and JUST enough TX power to get your system 10 to 15 dB over the noise levels. Cross polarize as much as you can. Move one end? Even if you have to make two or three hops, but pointing into a new direction might help. Out of all of the 2.4 and 5 gig bands there must be somewhere that you can go that's not that high... marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] stopgap for congested wi-fi channel When you have a noise floor of -30 dBm to -50dBm on a 2.4/5.8 11a/b GHz Wi-Fi band, is there anything configuration related that you can do to alleviate the problem other than switch channels, use narrower beam antennas, etc. (I've got a situation where I have to make chicken salad out of chicken crap for a little while until I have another option.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Blockbuster Set-top Box Has Arrived (PC World)
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081130/tc_pcworld/theblockbustersettopboxhasarrived The major difference between the MediaPoint box and Netflix's is that Blockbuster does progressive playback in comparison to Netflix's streaming, meaning that the video quality is independent of you broadband's connection speed. By progressively downloading the movie on the box (up to five movies storage capacity), Blockbuster's solution can offer a much more consistent video quality. In comparison, Netflix's service which can reduce the movie's quality if your Internet connection slows down. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I have ~$75/meg via fiber in Troy, OH (north of Dayton which is quite large). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
1 meg is $200. How much is 5, 10, 50, 100? Depending on the provider you could see a sharp drop in the pricing. Either rates will have to go up, your customers will just be unhappy with available options, or you'll have to go big. MANY industries have adopted the catch phrase, Go big or go home. I believe I said something earlier about how I think WISPs will have to consolidate to get scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I think it comes down to not allowing that 5% of customers that are going to do the video streaming / movie watching / etc. over the internet to use your network. There is another 95% of people that just want to email and surf. Those are the customers you want. Send the others to cable or your telco and let them deal with it. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 1 meg is $200. How much is 5, 10, 50, 100? Depending on the provider you could see a sharp drop in the pricing. Either rates will have to go up, your customers will just be unhappy with available options, or you'll have to go big. MANY industries have adopted the catch phrase, Go big or go home. I believe I said something earlier about how I think WISPs will have to consolidate to get scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I think dialup ISPs used to say that about anything other than email or HTML only web browsing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... I think it comes down to not allowing that 5% of customers that are going to do the video streaming / movie watching / etc. over the internet to use your network. There is another 95% of people that just want to email and surf. Those are the customers you want. Send the others to cable or your telco and let them deal with it. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 1 meg is $200. How much is 5, 10, 50, 100? Depending on the provider you could see a sharp drop in the pricing. Either rates will have to go up, your customers will just be unhappy with available options, or you'll have to go big. MANY industries have adopted the catch phrase, Go big or go home. I believe I said something earlier about how I think WISPs will have to consolidate to get scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Instead of turning the customers down you could explain to them you're losing money and up their rates. If they won't work with you then explain you can't do business with them. You'll find people are more willing to work with you then you might expect. On 11/30/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it comes down to not allowing that 5% of customers that are going to do the video streaming / movie watching / etc. over the internet to use your network. There is another 95% of people that just want to email and surf. Those are the customers you want. Send the others to cable or your telco and let them deal with it. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 1 meg is $200. How much is 5, 10, 50, 100? Depending on the provider you could see a sharp drop in the pricing. Either rates will have to go up, your customers will just be unhappy with available options, or you'll have to go big. MANY industries have adopted the catch phrase, Go big or go home. I believe I said something earlier about how I think WISPs will have to consolidate to get scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
There's certainly much cheaper bandwidth in those cities, but unless you're 1, maybe 2 fiber hops away and are buying 50 megs+, it isn't worth it. The number of Wireless hops vary. Once you hit say 100 megs or 150 megs, it's a different ball game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Take GigE on fiber from them. Then use whatever microwave you can get to haul it to wherever you need to go. There is a huge price break when you go 100 mbps burstable on a GigE. You can wholesale enough on your way out of town to pay for the whole thing. But you must meet the tier 1/2 provider at their place to get the deals. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... There's certainly much cheaper bandwidth in those cities, but unless you're 1, maybe 2 fiber hops away and are buying 50 megs+, it isn't worth it. The number of Wireless hops vary. Once you hit say 100 megs or 150 megs, it's a different ball game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
There are still some areas of this country that bandwidth is expensive even in high quantities. I currently have three OC3 connections and my cheapest provider is still over $30/Mbps because of the transport. I am 200 miles from any significant bandwidth (other than Qwest, which is still in that price range). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: "Harold Bledsoe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Also, I would like to point out, you are MUCH better to get smaller connections from at least two separate providers... yes, it will cost more, but even the big guys have outages. Case and point: two weeks ago our Qwest OC3 was completely down. None of our customers even noticed, because we have plenty of capacity on the other two OC3 circuits (just for this type of problem) so it didn't affect us at all. However, a WISP only 100 miles from me that had a dedicated DS3 from Qwest (as their only provider) was completely down from 8:00AM until 3:00PM on a business day. I also know one of my competitors was down during that same time. We service hospitals, banks, insurance companies, TV stations, radio stations, etc. I know if we had been down for 7 hours we would have a big black eye right now. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Take GigE on fiber from them. Then use whatever microwave you can get to haul it to wherever you need to go. There is a huge price break when you go 100 mbps burstable on a GigE. You can wholesale enough on your way out of town to pay for the whole thing. But you must meet the tier 1/2 provider at their place to get the deals. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... There's certainly much cheaper bandwidth in those cities, but unless you're 1, maybe 2 fiber hops away and are buying 50 megs+, it isn't worth it. The number of Wireless hops vary. Once you hit say 100 megs or 150 megs, it's a different ball game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:53 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... I am certain you can do much better than that. And you don't even have to be in Chicago or Detroit. - Original Message - From: "Harold Bledsoe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
We did try a wireless link to Chicago... If we could get space on Sears tower, it might work as I have a location with 250ft elevation over lake level on the lake shore. Distance is 94mi. Last time we looked, it was not quite possible, but equipment has improved in the last few years, so I'll look into it again. Harold Bledsoe wrote: Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had. $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s. It gets better after that, but not much. Brian and I have talked before. He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but I am still looking. Mike Hammett wrote: He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Harold Bledsoe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
