Re: [WISPA] RIP

2008-12-20 Thread Eric Rogers
Is the slowness on older routers?  Do you have any that are the AH
boards that are more than 400 MHz?  Have you watched the processor from
before RIP to after?  Could be that the updates are overwhelming the
older boards.

Eric

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Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP

My network is currently mostly WRAP boards running StarOS. As I do
maintenence, repairs, or expand new towers, I am adding Routerboards
running MT. I turned up a new Mikrotik Firewall several weeks ago.
The real reason for my question is that we turn on RIP several weeks
ago and the network seems slower.
-RickG

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Butch Evans 
wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote:
>> Anyone using RIP? Thoughts?
>
> If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if
> you can.  If you are integrating a legacy network that is already
> running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic
> routing technologies were created.
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Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection

2008-12-20 Thread Scott Reed
There used to be a long-wire setting in the RouterOS under 
Interface->Ehternet.  I do not remember if it is still there or not.  It 
should be set if the wire is over 100' or so.

Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have a new WAN connection, it is a Long range Ethernet connection. It
> is being connected to a RB532 Mikrotik v2.9.46 router. When I do
> bandwidth tests through this connection, it is very erratic. If I
> connect the circuit directly to a PC I get a nice smooth throughput. I
> also tried connecting the circuit to a switch then to the MT with the
> same result. This occurs on two different routers. I have tried
> different Ethernet port settings, the LRE adapter is set to 10 Full. 
>
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[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Erskine" 
To: "CALEA Questions" 
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA


> CALEA prevents even the WISP from over collecting.  We are no longer 
> permitted to tap any communications in our own networks except for the 
> purposes of satisfying a subpoena, a Title 3, or CALEA action or for 
> maintainance purposes.  We are now, because of CALEA, under exactly the 
> same intercept constraints as the telcos.  Your tap may run in 
> permissive mode; however, if you interpret the statue strictly, you have 
> to filter at the tap in the software.  Hence my concern that the vendors 
> get WCS-IPNA implemented post haste.  Other solutions are too pricey for 
> the little guys.  We need OpenCALEA yesterday.
> 
> just my two.
> -m-
> 
> 
> Jesse Norell wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 08:32 -0700, Jesse Norell wrote:
>>   
 So as long as you offer the data they ask regardless of what you
 actually collect that is acceptable?
   
>>>   Correct, you can "over collect" data, then you filter out just what
>>> you need and only give them that.  And if you're following a standard
>>> like WCS-IPNA, you would make/record the checksums on only the data
>>> you
>>> present the LEA.
>>> 
>>
>>   I guess I'll qualify that permissibility to overcollect with the
>> requirements of the standard you're following.  Eg. the CableLabs CBIS
>> does not allow it (see 5.1.6 Isolation).  But (from memory) the CALEA
>> law does not prohibit that approach; it does require that you be capable
>> of "103(a)(4) facilitating .. interceptinos .. in a manner that protects
>> (A) the privacy and security of communications and call-identifying
>> information not authorized to be intercepted," hence the WCS-IPNA
>> standard (and all others) don't allow you to present that overcollected
>> data to the LEA(*).
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> (*) there is a controversial nat-in-the-ap exemption in wcs-ipna that
>> will expire soon that violates this point
>>
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[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael J. Erskine" 
To: "CALEA Questions" 
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA


> Good evening everyone!  Happy Christmas to all of you.
>
> It has been a long and profitable day.  I found a problem I have been
> working for four months.  Yeah!
>
> I have time now to try to explain what I intended to say.
>
> CALEA complicates these issues because it is an application of circuit
> switching law to a packet switched environment.  It was never suited, or
> intended, to apply to packet switched networks, but the FCC/FBI found it
> convenient in these times to force that foot into that glass slipper.  :)
>
> No law longer than one sentence will ever be followed to the letter in
> every instance.  That is impossible.  Still, judges believe that the
> letter of the law is what matters.  I guess that is because you can not
> infer spirit without also inferring opinion as well.  Reasonable enough.
>
> The law of intercept has been hashed about between NSA, the FBI, and the
> "State Department" for about a hundred and fifty years at this point and
> the rights of the citizens are fairly well defined.  We were
> intercepting telegraph during the Civil War, WWI, and all manner of
> communications by WWII.  The various court cases which arose from those
> intercepts helped to exercise the Constitution and The Bill of Rights
> and to define the limits to which citizens and government may act in the
> invasion of another person's privacy.  That battle will continue to be
> waged forever.  Never the less, the FCC's application of CALEA to packet
> switched networks actually substantiates protections in a packet
> switched world which were not previously applied.  For this reason,
> CALEA is actually a good thing.
>
> CALEA protects our customers from *anyone* who would collect information
> from their communications streams without proper court approval.  CALEA
> applies the protections which the TELCOs must observe to *all* IP
> carriers, whether they are end nodes or transport nodes in the packet
> switched network.  This is a good thing, but problematic when we are
> forced to discuss the letter (and not the intent) of the law.
>
> The pertinent principles defined in CALEA, are Authentication,
> Validation, Isolation, Proportionality, and Completeness.  When reading
> the WISPA-CS-IPNA 2.0 we see that the committee derived from the statute
> that we must collect the minimum information that will satisfy any legal
> requirement.  This was not done to relieve the ISP of work, rather it
> was done to ensure the privacy of the user is the *first* concern in any
> intercept action.
>
> In an ideal world one would never even "touch" a packet that had nothing
> to do with the target of any legal requirement we might receive.  The
> understanding that proceeds from the application of CALEA to packet
> switched networks from the circuit switched world is that the same
> privacy rights that exist in the circuit switched world exist in a
> packet switched world.  In other words we are not allowed to let the
> probe touch any other circuit.  When applying an intercept device, in an
> ideal world, it would isolate traffic by IP/MAC and completely ignore
> any other traffic.  It would forward only the data packets which are
> associated with the target of the legal action that authorized the
> intercept.  Sometimes that is possible, sometimes it is not.  When it is
> not possible the physical TAP will likely forward all traffic to a
> storage system which will drop any packets that are not covered in the
> legal requirement establishing the intercept.
>
> So, what I am saying is this.  We must collect our packets as close to
> the target of the legal action as possible.  We must filter those
> packets for any which are not pertinent and drop those at the earliest
> convenience.  We must *never* record those packets which are not
> pertinent on any permanent medium unless that is the only possible way
> to satisfy the legal requirement.
>
> WISPA-CS-IPNA defines the relationship between the WISP/ISP and the
> LEA.  It does not define the relationship between the WISP/ISP and the
> customer; however, the law, CALEA, is based upon the existence of a set
> of rights and responsibilities which were established in a circuit
> switched world.  If, in the process of satisfying a legal action, we
> violate those established principles, we can find ourselves in a legal
> quagmire like the one that AT&T so recently stepped into.
>
> Just my two.
>
>
> J.C. Utter wrote:
>> Everyone gets confused easily in this conversation because participants
>> use the word "tap" to mean different things. I use "passive tap" to refer
>> to real taps that you install on the line for out-of-band collection.
>> However, many people in the industry think of a "tap" as a software
>> collector. I don't use the word "tap" in refernce to software, but

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Some spectacular views of theabandonedRussian Woodpecker antenna array

2008-12-20 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
I was in South Florida during those years and remember that irritant!

I've got some dipoles in the attic setup and need to find some time to 
get back on.

Leon

* Jack Unger wrote, On 12/20/2008 1:39 AM:
> Yep. I remember the Woodpecker too. It really made a mess of the 40 
> meter ham band.
>
> _ _ . . .   . . . _ _ .  ..._ _ .  _ .
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I remember the woodpecker.  Have not been on HF in years.  Need to get a QRP 
>> rig and do some CW.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "jp" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Some spectacular views of 
>> theabandonedRussian Woodpecker antenna array
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Looks like a bigger version of the 8-bay UHF television antenna I just
>>> ordered for OTA HD service.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:33:25AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> 
 H, wonder how far we could shoot a wifi signal with one of these? 
 grin
 marlon

   
>> This gigantic antenna system called Duga-3 is located near Prypiat
>> in the Chernobyl area.  It was built in the 70's as an early missile
>>  detection system (over-the-horizon radar system). It was also
>> called  the Steel Yard hence its distinctive appearance. The antenna
>> was  deactivated in 1989.
>>
>> The Russian Woodpecker was a notorious Soviet signal that could be
>> heard on the shortwave radio bands worldwide between July 1976 and
>> December 1989. It sounded like a sharp, repetitive tapping noise, at
>>  10 Hz, giving rise to the "Woodpecker" name. The random frequency
>> disrupted legitimate broadcast, amateur radio, and utility
>> transmissions and resulted in thousands of complaints by many
>> countries worldwide.
>>
>> Starting in 1976 a new and powerful radio signal was detected
>> worldwide, and quickly dubbed the Woodpecker by amateur radio
>> operators. Transmission power on some woodpecker transmitters was
>> estimated to be as high as 10 MW EIRP. As well as disrupting
>> shortwave amateur radio and broadcasting it could sometimes be heard
>>  over telephone circuits due to the strength of the signals. This
>> led  to a thriving industry of "Woodpecker filters" and noise
>> blankers.
>>
>> http://www.artificialowl.net/2008/12/abandoned-giant-duga-3-system-antenna.html
>>
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Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection

2008-12-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Should only need to be set if the run is over 328' or 100m ie longer then
Ethernet is supporting. 

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Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection

There used to be a long-wire setting in the RouterOS under 
Interface->Ehternet.  I do not remember if it is still there or not.  It 
should be set if the wire is over 100' or so.

Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have a new WAN connection, it is a Long range Ethernet connection. It
> is being connected to a RB532 Mikrotik v2.9.46 router. When I do
> bandwidth tests through this connection, it is very erratic. If I
> connect the circuit directly to a PC I get a nice smooth throughput. I
> also tried connecting the circuit to a switch then to the MT with the
> same result. This occurs on two different routers. I have tried
> different Ethernet port settings, the LRE adapter is set to 10 Full. 
>
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Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection

2008-12-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
The MT Routerboard 4-port NIC with Via Rhine chip is awsome to reach 450ft 
over ethernet.
We had been told in the past that it was needed to have the via-rhine on 
both sides of wire, but in actuallity we learned the opposite, and have been 
very effective with having the long-range ethernet card just on one side of 
wire.

Otherwise, consider... If there is noise on the Ethernet? Use thick shielded 
Superior Essex DB cable, and you can push the limits of Ethernet.
Otherwise consider calculating loss, with Demarctech's cable voltage loss 
calculator, and increasing voltag slightly to compensate, in case it is 
voltage and not just ethernet.
Lastly look for sources of noise injection, and block it.
.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection


> Should only need to be set if the run is over 328' or 100m ie longer then
> Ethernet is supporting.
>
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> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:20 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] eratic ethernet connection
>
> There used to be a long-wire setting in the RouterOS under
> Interface->Ehternet.  I do not remember if it is still there or not.  It
> should be set if the wire is over 100' or so.
>
> Mark McElvy wrote:
>> I have a new WAN connection, it is a Long range Ethernet connection. It
>> is being connected to a RB532 Mikrotik v2.9.46 router. When I do
>> bandwidth tests through this connection, it is very erratic. If I
>> connect the circuit directly to a PC I get a nice smooth throughput. I
>> also tried connecting the circuit to a switch then to the MT with the
>> same result. This occurs on two different routers. I have tried
>> different Ethernet port settings, the LRE adapter is set to 10 Full.
>>
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[WISPA] Need service on Ocala Florida

2008-12-20 Thread RickG
Need service on Ocala Florida - offlist
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[WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery levels...will these work??

2008-12-20 Thread John McDowell
We've deployed one of the RMS version 1 boards from
www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca
This has given us visibility of voltage levels on our batteriesBUT, does
anyone know how to have these devices actually alert you when battery levels
are low or AC is off...etc?

WE use PowerCode which has MRTG built in. Would this work you think? If
anyone knows a quick way to do this it would be great, if not, I would be
willing to pay someone that knows how to do custom work.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery levels...will these work??

2008-12-20 Thread can...@believewireless.net
For less money than the RMS device you could get an APC card that will
e-mail and page you of outages. Tripplite's card will do the same but it's
not as good as the APC.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM, John McDowell  wrote:

> We've deployed one of the RMS version 1 boards from
> www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca
> This has given us visibility of voltage levels on our batteriesBUT,
> does
> anyone know how to have these devices actually alert you when battery
> levels
> are low or AC is off...etc?
>
> WE use PowerCode which has MRTG built in. Would this work you think? If
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> willing to pay someone that knows how to do custom work.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery levels...will these work??

2008-12-20 Thread Leon Zetekoff
we used the RMS and used SNMP and the Dude to chart the voltage.

leon

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> For less money than the RMS device you could get an APC card that will
> e-mail and page you of outages. Tripplite's card will do the same but it's
> not as good as the APC.
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> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM, John McDowell  wrote:
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>> We've deployed one of the RMS version 1 boards from
>> www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca
>> This has given us visibility of voltage levels on our batteriesBUT,
>> does
>> anyone know how to have these devices actually alert you when battery
>> levels
>> are low or AC is off...etc?
>>
>> WE use PowerCode which has MRTG built in. Would this work you think? If
>> anyone knows a quick way to do this it would be great, if not, I would be
>> willing to pay someone that knows how to do custom work.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> j...@boonlink.com
>> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery levels...willthese work??

2008-12-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hi John,

That board provides all the info via snmp... Which means that how you 'pull'
out that info and 'monitor' the threshold it very flexible and a number of
packages would do it.

If you are an open source person... Cacti w/ Threshold plugin / Openmns /
Nagios  will allow you to do anything you want...

If you are a 'windows' person. (mostly pay software..) IPSwitch Whatsup
Gold, and a number of snmp monitors will let you do what you are looking
for Here is a link that will help you understand on how it is done..
http://www.wtcs.org/snmp4tpc/threshol.htm

If  you just want someone else to set it up for you ... Just let us know
what platform and we can find you an appropriate person ..

Regards 


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SnappyDSL.net

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Subject: [WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery
levels...willthese work??

We've deployed one of the RMS version 1 boards from
www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca This has given us visibility of voltage
levels on our batteriesBUT, does anyone know how to have these devices
actually alert you when battery levels are low or AC is off...etc?

WE use PowerCode which has MRTG built in. Would this work you think? If
anyone knows a quick way to do this it would be great, if not, I would be
willing to pay someone that knows how to do custom work.

Thanks,

--
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] Remote Monitoring and ALERTING of battery levels...will these work??

2008-12-20 Thread cw
The easiest way to monitor whether you have outside power is to plug any 
device you can ping into the same outlet your batteries charge from. Power 
goes out and ping response stops. We used to use a lot of D-Link G810 
bridges so that's what we happen to have a lot of and use but anything you 
can ping will work. - cw

John McDowell wrote:
> We've deployed one of the RMS version 1 boards from
> www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca
> This has given us visibility of voltage levels on our batteriesBUT, does
> anyone know how to have these devices actually alert you when battery levels
> are low or AC is off...etc?
> 
> WE use PowerCode which has MRTG built in. Would this work you think? If
> anyone knows a quick way to do this it would be great, if not, I would be
> willing to pay someone that knows how to do custom work.
> 
> Thanks,
> 



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