Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[John Scrivner]

>
> The problems are numerous. Building a scalable solution that will fit
> multiple operators is a real challenge.  Some of the challenges will
> potentially require you and your proposed partner to make significant
> network design changes.  If you have an interest in such a project,
> let's get together (we can meet in Cape sometime) and see what we can
> come up with.

I was actually thinking about you some when I wrote this. You and I
had discussed how you had built some of the earliest working parts of
what I have been describing. I would love to brainstorm on some of
this with you in more detail at some time. The sad part is that I see
little incentive to build this as few WISPs have any real desire to
build interoperable, roaming capable, mobile IP network services as I
have described. I think the problem is less about the spectrum,
technical, platform and financial barriers than it is about the lack
of interest to actually make it happen from the majority WISP
perspective. I have little doubt we "CAN" do it. I just doubt anyone
really "WANTS" to do it. Maybe a few will hit us offlist who wish to
attempt to build this next generation mobile WISP network and we can
put together a work group to build it.
Scriv



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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[Butch Evans]

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 19:12 -0600, John Scrivner wrote:
> Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
> and roaming. 

There are many reasons for this, some of which make roaming a near
impossibility.  I have some customers who are doing some things that are
very near to one meaning of the term "mobility".  If you are referring
to the ability to take a device freely from one network to another, then
there are ways to accomplish this, given certain criteria are met.  If
you are referring to Mobile IP, then that is easily accomplished (well,
I guess it depends on how "easily" is defined).  I have helped a couple
of customers build out networks that accomplish both of the above
scenarios.

> These features are the true differentiators of wireless
> broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. 

Yes, indeed!  

> The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move 
> to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than 
> we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have 
> everything available to them everywhere with mobility. 

There are a multitude of reasons for this, too.  Not the least of which
is available capital.  With the right amount of money, I can build
exactly the same network.  Another is the junk spectrum we all use,
which the cellular companies are not burdened with.  

IPV6, once widely deployed, will make this easier, too.  In fact, the
IPv6 standard was developed with mobility in mind.

> Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
> are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
> do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
> VoIP, roaming, etc. 

There are several problems to address to make this happen.  First, as I
already stated, IPv6 makes many of these problems go away.  Secondly,
what network technology do we decide on?  I mean, you have 802.11x,
Canopy, Trango, Alvarion and a host of others that are not in any way
compatible.  Even supposing you pick a standard such as 802.11x (it is,
after all, more widely used than most other non-standard protocols),
there are problems that come with this set of protocols that are
difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.  Even at the link layer, it
is far too slow to be called "mobile" just in terms of switching from
tower to tower (ap to ap is abetter description).  I'm not sure you'd
ever convince Canopy WISPs to use 802.11 any quicker than you'd convince
802.11 users to switch to Canopy.

> Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
> network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
> another operator. 

There is at least one of my customers who is a WISPA member AND has
partnership agreements with 2 other WISPs.  The system we have built
uses 802.11a/b/g (all three, actually), RADIUS for auth and we have a
mobile IP solution available for those customers who have need of such a
solution (it is an add-on pay service).  I am under NDA with one of the
partners in this group and I cannot give names, but perhaps that
person/company will step up and respond.

> If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway 
> solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together 
> and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. 

I've shared as much as I am able.  Suffice it to say that there are some
networks out there that are offering the kind of advanced services you
are describing.  The big issue is interoperability of gear.  That has to
be in place first, then the rest can be built.

> What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? 

Take a look at my blog.  I have done some really neat things in the past
with mobile IP services.  Some of these are ongoing as we speak.

> Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
> ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
> connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
> anything to connect to.

The problems are numerous. Building a scalable solution that will fit
multiple operators is a real challenge.  Some of the challenges will
potentially require you and your proposed partner to make significant
network design changes.  If you have an interest in such a project,
let's get together (we can meet in Cape sometime) and see what we can
come up with.  

-- 

* Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
* http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member   *
* http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks   *






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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[eje]

Keep in mind antennas are not digital but analog. You can get signal outside 
the pattern. Also most of the patterns are computer designed and is close to 
what real world but not perfect. Sometimes your sidelobes are bigger then what 
datasheet shows and sometimes you have a slightly "defect" antenna that is 
throwing signals more in a unexpected direction. Also environment can help out 
to get unexpected result so with a "reflector" on the side of an antenna you 
could get better then expected signals on the sides of the antenna where you 
would expect less or nothing. 

Most important to keep in mind with antennas and their signal patterns is that 
they are analog. Can compare to a flash light in a dark room. You even have 
slight illumination right behind you and more on the sides. How much depends on 
the quality of the reflector and what "material" it being shone on. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato 

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:00:46 
To: ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate 
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the 
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath 
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down 
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the 
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and 
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very 
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
> Brian,
> Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
> and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
> antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
> are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
> in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
> that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
>   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
> 
>   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
> antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
> will give you accurate numbers.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
> the data sheet.  Will that work?
> 
> Brian
> 
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
>   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
> take
> PayPal.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
> I
> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
> helping me
> 
> Anyway, what's next?
> 
> thanks,
> marlon
> 509.988.0260
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
> 
> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
> terrain
> data as needed.
> - Open RM
> - Options
> - Internet
> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
> your region at the end
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
> 
> To determine your region:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
> 
> Check ZIP
> 
> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
> 
> Let me know when you have this set up.
> 
> As far as payment

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Webster]

Yes the front to back ratio is probably the most difference you will see in
antenna patterns from manufacturer to manufacturer. Since they can't cheat
the laws of physics and the power they get in the forward direction of a
certain beam width antenna, they can spend the money on construction and
design features to minimize the emissions for the rest of the pattern and
that includes the signal off the back. You can build radio mobile antenna
patterns with a spreadsheet located in the yahoo groups file section. It's
not to hard to do.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato [mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:01 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
> Brian,
> Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the
archives
> and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
> antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if
you
> are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar
one
> in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't
be
> that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
>
>   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
> antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
> will give you accurate numbers.
>
> -Eric
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
> the data sheet.  Will that work?
>
> Brian
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
> take
> PayPal.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
> I
> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
> helping me
>
> Anyway, what's next?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
> 509.988.0260
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>
> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
> terrain
> data as needed.
> - Open RM
> - Options
> - Internet
> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
> your region at the end
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>
> To determine your region:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>
> Check ZIP
>
> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>
> Let me know when you have this set up.
>
> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Heya George,

Take the time to go through this and really check out the pictures.

http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm

I tried to find the original page that I got the 3d pics from but the page 
is gone.  There are some that do a really good job of showing why this is 
what you see.  Take a look at how much energy goes out the back of some of 
the plots that are on there.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


> My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate
> in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
> To give you a couple examples.
> I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the
> center 1 mile out.
>
> I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.
>
> I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath
> of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down
> outside of the intended coverage area.
> You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the
> back side.
>
> I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and
> cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very
> accurate.
>
>
>
> Brian Webster wrote:
>> Brian,
>> Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the 
>> archives
>> and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
>> antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if 
>> you
>> are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar 
>> one
>> in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't 
>> be
>> that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
>>   To: WISPA General List
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
>>
>>   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>> FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
>> antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
>> will give you accurate numbers.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
>> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
>> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
>> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
>> the data sheet.  Will that work?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
>> take
>> PayPal.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
>> I
>> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
>> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
>> helping me
>>
>> Anyway, what's next?
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>> 509.988.0260
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>
>> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
>> terrain
>> data as needed.
>> - Open RM
>> - Options
>> - Internet
>> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
>> your region at the end
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
>>
>> To determine your region:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
>>
>> Check ZIP
>>
>> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
>> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
>>
>> Let me know when you have this set up.
>>
>> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
>> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
>> To:

Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

[Forbes Mercy]

Scriv,

You did an excellent write-up and acknowledges one very important
factor, change is difficult.  We have all built strong systems and
telling a customer we are "fixed system" carries a lot less
responsibility than to infer that they can do the 4.9 standard of
150MPH.

I admit I'd love to take the stimulus money out for a mobile spin.  Much
like my foray into dial-up that was quite successful I saw the death and
had no answer at our level.  I felt WISP's would also fall victim to the
Nationals passing us in technology faster than we could deploy and
secure.  Not so, technology is outpacing National investment in networks
so perhaps we have a longer life than our previous business model.  

There are only two fears, Lack of knowledge on mobile deployment and the
problem of wattage or lack thereof and, cost of CPE.  We have CPE on
fixed systems down to $70, so I guess fear is the unknown, nothing new
there.

Forbes




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular
andWimax

Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
anything to connect to.
Scriv


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
> This was very interesting:
>
>
http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-an
d-wi
> max/
>
> Way to go WISPS!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[George Rogato]

My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate 
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the 
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath 
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down 
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the 
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and 
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very 
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
> Brian,
> Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
> and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
> antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
> are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
> in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
> that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
>   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
> 
>   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
> antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
> will give you accurate numbers.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
> the data sheet.  Will that work?
> 
> Brian
> 
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
>   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
> take
> PayPal.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
> I
> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
> helping me
> 
> Anyway, what's next?
> 
> thanks,
> marlon
> 509.988.0260
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
> 
> For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
> terrain
> data as needed.
> - Open RM
> - Options
> - Internet
> - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
> your region at the end
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
> 
> To determine your region:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
> 
> Check ZIP
> 
> So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
> ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
> 
> Let me know when you have this set up.
> 
> As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
> to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
> 
> 
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
> 
> Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
> put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
> mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
> you are interested in
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark McElvy" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
> 
> 
> 
>   You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
> what
> 
> it
> 
>   can.
> 
> -Original Message-
> Fr

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Rock]

EIRP is equivalent in measurements... 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

Lower your transmit power, duh.  You go a hell of a lot further with a 0 db 
radio and 36 db of antenna than 30 db of radio and 6 db of antenna.  That do

you think negative db values are for?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Matt Hardy" 
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:41 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

> Yes for the 3.65GHz band, antenna gain does matter, because the band is
> EIRP restricted. For instance, for the XR3, if you look on the grant:
>
>
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&Re
questTimeout=500&application_id=930658&fcc_id=SWX-XR3B
>
> The maximum output (in watts) is 4.2, 4.7, and 4.7 for emission
> designators (4M24D7D,8M44D7D,17M2D7D), or 5/10/20 MHz channel bandwidths
> respectively. Thats ~ 36dBm total *EIRP*
>
> If you look at the test report:
>
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=90
0106&native_or_pdf=pdf
> (Page 36)
> It shows the max tx power tested by the FCC Lab which still met spectral
> density requirements. If you are using the XR3 at the allowed max
> txpower (~18dBm), you must use less than or equal an 18dBI antenna.
> (This should be specified in the user manuals you received when you
> purchased the XR3)
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> -Matt
>
> rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
>> Antenna gain does matter.
>>
>> UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I 
>> first
>> filed for the license.   Useful only for P2P, actually.
>>
>> You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna
>> specified.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>
>>
>>
>>> Not mine, but
>>>
>>>
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=155333
93&licKey=2969764&rsc=NN
>>>
>>> That's a Ubiquiti XR3.  It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus
>>> or
>>> because it doesn't matter.  Nor does antenna gain.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "John Scrivner" 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>>
>>>
 So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
 registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
 the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
 system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
 register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
 then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
 resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
 see a full answer from you here on this.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:

> I am.
>
> Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, 
> but
> affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso
> than
> 5 or 2.4.
>
> Or, that's how it seems.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
>> brian
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[eje]

Besides 60deg is same on all antennas since that is to denote where your 3dB of 
max gain on the antenna. How much signal you lose outside will differ from 
antenna to antenna and the size of the side lobes. But the most interesting 
portion is what you have inside the 60deg and there all antennas is pretty much 
identical. 

/Eje 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "Brian Webster" 

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:03:48 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


Brian,
Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

  Eric Muehleisen wrote:
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
what

it

  can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

On

  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Webster]

Brian,
Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

  Eric Muehleisen wrote:
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
what

it

  can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

On

  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to

  do

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Covera

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

Eric Muehleisen wrote:

  FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the 
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX 
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

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Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
  

On

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Eric Muehleisen]

FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the 
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX 
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
> the data sheet.  Will that work?
>
> Brian
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>   
>>> Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
>>> PayPal.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
>>> I
>>> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
>>> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
>>> helping me
>>>
>>> Anyway, what's next?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>> 509.988.0260
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Mark McElvy" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
> 
 it
   
> can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> 
 On
   
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> Sold!
>
> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
> srtm.
> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>
> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
> 
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
>>   
 do
   
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>
>> __
>>
>> airCloud Communications
>> Broadband for Business
>> Public and Private WiFi
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> _
>>
>> ConsuWISP
>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>> Network Optimiz

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got 
no results.  Must be it's not that easy.  Can I get a little more 
direction on how to find something there?  Explain it in simple terms 
(pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*.

Brian

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
> datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the 
> manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application 
> filing documents available on the FCC id search database. 
>
> Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. 
> The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a 
> lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as 
> discussed on the list recently). 
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Rohrbacher 
>
> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[Anthony Will]

I think the main confusion here is people are mixing up the Part 15 
rules and the part 90 rules.  Part 15 the "whole" system has to be type 
certified.  In Part 90 the transmitter has to be certified along with 
other regulations.
Part 90 is a different ball game people, it is licensed and WILL be 
enforced.  Find the rules, read the rules and talk to a lawyer in the 
industry if you have any confusion.  Your business maybe at stake if you 
mess up.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> That is my understanding as well from talking with a certification lab. Lower 
> and equal gain antennas of same type as certified are allowed to be 
> "substituted" by the manufacturer. 
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lakel...@gbcx.net
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:52:36 
> To: ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
> As per the FCC only the anufacturer can make the determination which antenna 
> is similar in specifications. Otherwise it needs FCC certification as a 
> system.
>
> That was from the horses mouth about 18 months ago
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Scott Carullo" 
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:47:42 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
> Who has the final word on this?  I've been told by testing laboratories 
> that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case...  They said if the 
> radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter) 
> had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db 
> like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer (like 
> ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC.
>
> It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can 
> or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the people 
> at the top of the food chain I guess.
>
> Who's right?  And how am I supposed to know? 
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
>  Original Message 
>   
>> From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>>
>> I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90
>> licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected.
>> Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with
>> Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  This is covered with
>> a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically.
>>
>> So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is
>> technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it
>> should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part
>> 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  In this case, a
>> Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location.
>>
>> This is why the label is important.  This kind of system built from
>> modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model
>> number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about
>> unintentional interference.  This information tells anyone including the
>> FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this
>> example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case).
>> If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default.  Then if
>> there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module
>> maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed
>> properly).  Finally if there are problems with the unintentional
>> emissions, it is the system assembler's problem.
>>
>> I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band.  So why does Part 15
>> even matter?  Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the
>> rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the
>> spectrum.  :-)
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David E. Smith 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT
>>
>> 
>>> My system is fully licensed. 
>>>   
>> How did you get your combination of "XR3
>> + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna"
>> certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you
>> just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification
>> process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over
>> the price of "all those parts" just to avoid the legal heat.David
>> SmithMVN.net
>>
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read.  I only wanted to
"guess" so much at all the numbers.  I thought there might be a better
pattern of info on the fcc site.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site?  Most of the antenna 
companies do.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
  

On
  

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[eje]

That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer 
sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents 
available on the FCC id search database. 

Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. 
The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower 
gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on 
the list recently). 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher 

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Scott Reed]

Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site?  Most of the antenna 
companies do.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
> need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
> need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
> the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
> the data sheet.  Will that work?
>
> Brian
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>   
>>> Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
>>> PayPal.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>> Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
>>> I
>>> had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
>>> from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
>>> helping me
>>>
>>> Anyway, what's next?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>> 509.988.0260
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Mark McElvy" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
> You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
> 
 it
   
> can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> 
 On
   
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> Sold!
>
> I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
> srtm.
> I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
>
> Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
> 
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
>>   
 do
   
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>
>> __
>>
>> airCloud Communications
>> Broadband for Business
>> Public and Private WiFi
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> _
>>
>> ConsuWISP
>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>> Network Optimization and Planning
>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>> Installer and Technician Traini

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the
data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:

  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory -> other -> Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what

  
  it
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  

  
  do
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-5