Re: [WISPA] Letter from BTOP

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
BIP applicants don't have to deal with this political dog-and-pony show (er., BS =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:42 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com;

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
It's worth noting that the rules are a little different for middle mile applicants than last mile applicants e.g., for the middle mile -- one has to pre-set their wholesale bandwidth rates and stay in accordance with the NOFA's non-discrimination rules per the application Keep in mind, if

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million bucks to provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband to the masses. That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper broadband is for their system. If it's a middle mile application, they would be in

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
Well...operators in 2.5 GHz can put out up to 2 kW (E.g., 2000 Watts) EIRP at the tower site, have a noise floor of -100 dBm which allows them to take full advantage of more advanced technology, and in some cases, have access to almost 200 MHz of spectrum Compare that to 900 MHz, where you're

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
They either lie or they legitimately dont know what they are doing. Or maybe you don't know what is possible with licensed spectrum =) For example, in the 2.5 GHz band, there are over 30 6 MHz channels available (e.g., almost 200 MHz of spectrum) -- we have one customer that owns/leases almost

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Wu
Hi David, While I applaud your efforts in being involved with the broadband stimulus, it is my understanding that MVN.net is/was applying for stimulus funds for Round 1 -- maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure out how you'd be able to over-come the conflict of interest clauses?

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Robert West
Okay, so for the grant they MUST provide the bandwidth for the same price they are paying for it??? But are they then able to throw a bunch of BS fees on top of it? If they have to provide at the same price, then it's not bad but I suspect it will be more cumbersome. -Original

[WISPA] 2.4 Sector Recommendations

2009-09-19 Thread Robert West
Looking for recommendations for 2.4ghz sector antennas, cheap of course. Thanks! Robert West WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sector Recommendations

2009-09-19 Thread RickG
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2009-09-19-internet-rules-fcc_N.htm?csp=34 On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Looking for recommendations for 2.4ghz sector antennas, cheap of course. Thanks! Robert West

Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi

2009-09-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Answers inline... On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: My understanding was they were using standard Wifi Chipsets, but provided their own TDD mac. Similar to the concept of Alvarion VL, that uses Atheros chipset, with their own proprietary MAC. Do

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Chuck Bartosch
It depends on what you're buying from them, but the basic answer is no they do not have to sell at their cost. If you're buying transit, you strike your own deal with the bandwidth supplier. In that sense you're just paying cost on the bandwidth. But, they have to determine the transit terms

[WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Blair Davis
It's back http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Robert West
Another unfunded mandate. If I were to provide net neutral broadband the price would be $120 per meg. Maybe my customers would understand if I explained how it's net neutral. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-19 Thread Marco Coelho
I'll second the PolyPhaser. Their RF products rock. No lost radios ever. I've had one fail in 10 years The factory was amazed and wanted it back for analysis. They gave me a free one to replace it. Marco On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'm not sure which

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Jack Unger
The proposal doesn't say you have to provide unlimited bandwidth. Reasonable network management policies are allowed. Robert West wrote: Another unfunded mandate. If I were to provide net neutral broadband the price would be $120 per meg. Maybe my customers would understand if I explained

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I've had one of three die on a tower a while back. Few months and still waiting on my RMA number/replacement/acknowledgement of existence. On 9/19/09, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I'll second the PolyPhaser. Their RF products rock. No lost radios ever. I've had one fail in 10

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Who's definition of unreasonable... On 9/19/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The proposal doesn't say you have to provide unlimited bandwidth. Reasonable network management policies are allowed. Robert West wrote: Another unfunded mandate. If I were to provide net neutral broadband

[WISPA] Maxrad adjustable sector antennas

2009-09-19 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone have any experience with these? I have a pretty narrow area I have to hit, and the 45 degree, 18dbi gain would be ideal - if they really work well. Randy -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby

Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi

2009-09-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Do you mean the traditional Alvarion VL hardware or the new cheap stuff ones ? The expensive Alvarian VL uses a standard Atheros Chipset. But Alvarion has its own MAC, which is the secret to its more robust offering. Which do you think is closer to the RadWin design: Karlnet, Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, if its a licensed spectrum proposal, so can control noise floor, and can design to operate at lower receive sensitivities, yes then my comment does not apply. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Jack Unger
Congress and the FCC would define "reasonable". It's their job to write the laws and make the rules. Net neutrality (NN) is about "free speech". NN would prohibit your carrier from delaying your packets or shutting off your service because they didn't like what you had to say or what web

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Mike Hammett
What I don't like about it is another case of the government telling me what to do. More regulations is less freedom. If someone doesn't like the way ISP A operates, move to ISP B. If they don't like ISP B, find ISP C, or start ISP C, or maybe you shouldn't be doing what you're wanting to in

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
The issue is that access to bandwidth can only be sold if it is still available and not already sold to someon else. Open Access is very relevent for fiber networks, but for wireless middle mile grants, it will be very easy to simply say the capacity has been sold already. Example: Grant

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Jack Unger
The government is actually protecting your freedom to access any Internet content you choose and your freedom to say whatever you want to say. The arguement that you can just move to another ISP is false because, as most WISPs know, many rural citizens don't have ANY ISP or maybe just one

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Scott Carullo
I feel I should be able to manage my network any way I see fit and if someone doesn't like it move on... I think the larger providers should have that same ability. But, if laws like this continue I'll give my customers an option... I'll let them choose between a 1mb up 1mb down they can do

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-19 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I absolutely agree. The open access stuff really only has meaning for us on fiber where total capacity is functionally unlimited in a new build out. Chuck On Sep 19, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: The issue is that access to bandwidth can only be sold if it is still available and

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Free speech protections are against the government, not individuals and companies. Speak your mind to your boss, get fired, then try to sue under the First Amendment. Fat chance. I provided for there not being alternatives in my previous message... start ISP C (or B if no one else is

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Jack Unger
Mike Hammett wrote: Free speech protections are against the government, not individuals and companies. Speak your mind to your boss, get fired, then try to sue under the First Amendment. Fat chance. Free speech protections are exactly that - free speech protections. The First

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread John Vogel
Free speech itself is not so much the issue, as presented by most who would argue for net neutrality, but rather application/traffic type. If it were not for the change in the way network traffic has evolved, moving from a bursty/intermittent type of traffic to a constant, high bit rate streaming,

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Jack Unger
Hi John, Yes, there are two issues at play however I don't believe I have conflated them. I think I've been quite clear that there is an issue of bandwidth and there is an issue of content. On bandwidth, every ISP (in my opinion) should already be managing bandwidth and limiting bandwidth

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread Blair Davis
I've always limited by mb/s... Looks like I'll be adding total connections and packets per sec limiting as well. I don't care where you go or what you do... But overselling bandwidth is the only way people in rural areas currently can afford high speed. ps Jack Unger wrote: Hi John,

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread John Vogel
Jack, I do agree that you have been fairly clear, and I wasn't so much addressing you as being the one conflating the two issues. I think you have a good understanding of the two issues, and are reasonable in how you are addressing them. I am somewhat concerned that free speech was at the

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-19 Thread RickG
I must be missing something. What and how are ISP's blocking or possibly blocking that may infringe on free speech? Certainly not PTP traffic. -RickG On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM, John Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote: Jack, I do agree that you have been fairly clear, and I wasn't so much

Re: [WISPA] Maxrad adjustable sector antennas

2009-09-19 Thread Jayson Baker
2GHz or 5GHz? We used the 5GHz adjustable's years ago, and their performance was awesome. Just bought some of the 2GHz version to do some testing with. Not sure on those yet. Jayson On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Anyone have any experience with