Ask them what is going to happen when someone DIG's in and that Fiber is cut.
How long to take to repair it? It's not as simple as as soldering two points
together. How long are those customers going to be down? It happens all the
time. What if the city decides to put in a Subway where that
I do have a TLink-45 pair sitting around (non connectorized) that I
could test. Is there a hack to put a pigtail on these?
23 miles is pushing the range of the internal antennas. If the enclosure is
removed from the antenna, by undoing the 9 screws, it is possible to connect
the Tlink to an
good idea, but not too power efficient.
Steve wrote:
I was not so happy either when I found out the newest line of MT boards
didn't work on my already functioning 24vdc system. I have however been
successful with a simple LM7818 regulator with a couple of tantalum
caps and a good
If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why
the FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use
Scottie Arnett wrote:
I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the
I know why it was done, I just wish it wasn't that way.
Bell Labs got it right the first time with the 48VDC POE system.
Independent of line length, 48V POE just works.
I've solved my problem with a 48VDC to 24VDC 18W converter that I add
when I build my tower gear. Adds about $15 in parts
Butch,
There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather
WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger
call to action to come.
I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you
would like to see content in this show that
I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM
-- Original Message --
From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:43:25 -0400
I understand. Just repeating what was told to me. I was working with a Wilson
sales person to repeat
MTI
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for
Chances are, too much for anybody.
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:54 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber
You we need to see where
This one is 15dBi minimum from MTI...
http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf
I'd expect to pay somewhere around $550 or so for it though
Other than that I have only seen 10 and 12dBi ones typically.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From:
You won't find a 16dbi omni in 5.8ghz, I've never seen one. We have used
a 12dbi omni and it works well. Once thing I have noticed is that 5.8ghz
high gain omni work better at the lower end of the 5.8 band.
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I have some slightly used 15dB omni's if you need any.
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From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 7:55:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
MTI
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From:
I'd agree with Tom's idea here. Vendor specific training should run the day
before or after INDUSTRY specific training.
marlon
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From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject:
Yeah. I don't use any omni's over 8 or 9 dB. Well, I guess I have one 10
out there, but I keep taking it out
The ONLY time I've suggested people use higher gain ones is when they are on
a rooftop that's the same height as everyone else or down in a valley with
customers up the sides.
That doesn't surprise me. The TV companies own Hulu anyway, so it was
inevitable that'd they'd need money from somewhere eventually.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Scottie Arnett
I also have a box load of maxrad 9dB omni antennas if anyone needs them.
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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 8:48:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Yeah. I don't use any omni's over 8
Tom,
This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at
least 100ft+.
Regards
Michael Baird
I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From:
Jerry Richardson wrote:
TV over wireless is a non-starter. Even if you used MPEG4 which is really for
video you still can only get 2-3 channels.
I was recently speaking with a relative of mine who is now getting his
TV delivered over DSL. He is an engineer, so he asked the tech for a bit
For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other
brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single
OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that
dictates it?
Jory
You won't be able to use any traditional US channels over a wireless system.
They won't license it.
SD is about a meg or two and HD requires 5 - 10.
At times, my house would then require 17 - 34 megs.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
I was just giving examples. I was not saying show only those vendors
equipment, but trying to convey that having discussions that compare and
contract types of hardware like routers, or layer 3 switches, etc. Or
maybe a discussion that shows to to create effective routing solutions
showing
I meant there wasn't a big text area at the bottom where I could type up
additional comments.
Forbes Mercy wrote:
Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your
comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about.
I took the survey,
If I understand correctly, There is no limit. But I vaguely remember
something about OSPF being unstable with 500+ routers. As you start to get
to much crosstalk overhead.
If its a big area you would need to do like OSPF and BGP I don't remember
how it went, something like transit routes with
I'm pretty sure the limit is just CPU/Memory. We currently 112
routing entries in one of our networks, this is on a network with 24
OSPF routers.
-Kevin
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jory Privett j...@wccs.net wrote:
For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any
You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS.
The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency
will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a
9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't
use that
I think a good OSPF single area would be around 75 routers. Over that
you get quite a bit of traffic. Not saying that this is a hard limit,
just a rule of thumb.
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member
What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8?
An example would be
http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html
Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing.
Regards
Michael Baird
You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do,
2009/10/29 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com:
What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8?
An example would be
http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html
Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing.
I would be very concerned about
That is not really an omni. It is three sectors meant to be fed with
three different radios. That being said, and in regard to my last post,
a back to back array with a couple of 90's fed correctly would yield a
pretty nice omni pattern that you could get close to 16 dB. Two 18 dB
sectors with
Actually I think this antenna would work perfect for what he wants
http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf
And I doubt that spec sheet is BS (but then again I don't build antennas
myself :-)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From:
It could be a nightmare, but with appropriate channels being selected - -
it could be ok. IMHO - this is no worse than using multiple radios in a
single enclosure in the same frequency. I guess it could be worse if you
were using multiple radios in a single enclosure AND using an antenna like
this
Using StarOS we have about 480 subnet routes propagating throughout our
network. This represents approximately 220 routed devices.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Dennis Burgess wrote:
I think a good OSPF single area would be around 75 routers. Over that
you get quite a bit of traffic. Not
Cameron:
Your prowess as an antenna designer is well known. Define a decent
splitter, and where one might find one. I think that solution would
be usable to a wide group on this list.
Mike
At 12:05 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
That is not really an omni. It is three sectors meant to be fed
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:33 -0500, Jory Privett wrote:
For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version,
or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes
or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory
or is there something else that
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 09:44 -0600, Kevin Neal wrote:
I'm pretty sure the limit is just CPU/Memory. We currently 112
routing entries in one of our networks, this is on a network with 24
OSPF routers.
Number of routes is not that much of a problem. I have one customer
with about 8k OSPF
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:06 -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
So, the short answer is: Keep the number of interfaces around (or
below) 100 or so.
I should add that I DO have customers who have well over 150 ROUTERS
with multiple interfaces in a single area. This limit is not a hard
limit. The other
Didn't know this list worked. I still have it in my filters!
Rk
On 9/30/2009 10:41 AM, Larry Yunker wrote:
Last I had heard, Michael decided that due to the state of the economy,
October 2009 was probably not the right time to hold another conference. I
know he has interest in scheduling
Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a
long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and
mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this install.
Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC
feed, something
Michael,
These systems are powered by POE.
Not sure if that works for you.
http://tyconpower.com/products/systems.htm
Scott
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:13 PM
To:
APC and Cyberpower makes some. 12V or 48V output. Outdoor mounted. AC
power input.
We used them for a FTTH project once.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote:
Michael,
These systems are powered by POE.
Not sure if that works for you.
I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the
water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels
the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them.
Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my
fingernails. I don't
Plastic ice scraper! :)
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website:
Are the tops smooth glass? Just use a single edged razor held at a
shallow angle and some elbow grease.
Mike
At 03:51 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the
water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels
the whole
Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably
fine as
long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are simply
covered with
safety glass.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:51:07PM -0600, Randy Cosby wrote:
I have a couple solar panels on a water
An automotive plastic snow/ice scraper might be a good choice - less
chance of damaging the panels.
On 10/29/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is
probably fine as
long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar
2009/10/28 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable.
One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90'
ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have
tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it
How about a razor knife? We actually use one of them to clean our fancy
glass top cook stove. Doesn't seem to scratch it at all.
marlon
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:51 PM
It is FCC approved insofar as the technical standards.
Legality of use belongs with the end user - and the FCC has
clearly stated that the cell phone repeaters must be coordinated
with the carriers whose signals are being repeated, otherwise their
use is illegal.
An example of the FCC approval,
Hi,
Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas.
Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV
antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz.
My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal
on 483.33MHz, it
Are these the TV transmitters? As in on the TV station or a community
repeater site?
If so, this could just be too much general RF for the system to deal with.
I've also had trouble on the ethernet side of things at an FM radio station.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Adam Greene
Is the interference to you or to the TV signal?
What is grounded and where? Perhaps you are causing a ground loop by doing
grounding
differently than they did or something?
If to the TV signal ? Are you using shielded cat5e cabling and grounding an end
of the
shield drain wire?
Any other
Guys, thanks for the brainstorm ideas.
Interference is to us.
And yes, it makes sense that since this is not a TV station building,
these antennas are probably receive only. There is a huge omni antenna
with 490 printed on the side, which is where we took the idea of
490MHz from, but it's
It's likely water base in which warm soapy water and a squeeqee will suffice.
Don't use anything abrasive.
If it's oil base, it may still come off with warm soapy water as it overspray
tends to be partially dry by the time it lands.
Try not to scrape as it leaves small scratches that catch
I nosed around the Internet looking at the various designs of
stripline dividers. It is almost trivial to make one. But the more
I think about it, if I am going to coordinate a climb to hang a pair
of antennae, I'd probably just carry two radios up and run them
separate and sectorized.
If
I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup.
1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio
failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be
taken out of the EMERGENCY category.
A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120
I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault
tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive.
I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than
more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well
planned combination of
Is there an enclosure?
Are there Costco's in your area?
Triplite 1000 VA / 500 watt $99.95
We put these on our repeaters with a additional battery in our enclosure.
Default setting is 'ON'
We have deployed about 80-100 of these, only had one failure.
We are in central California, so mild
And on that note, why not contact the solar panel manufacturer? -RickG
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:03 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably
fine as
long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are
Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list:
An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues.
A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each.
Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper.
It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare
How high is the tower this is all on?
If you run the calcs for line loss, even at 5 gig, up to 100' of coax isn't
horrible much of the time. I'm putting more and more radios back on the
ground these days.
LMR 600 or 900 can pay for it's self in a climb or two.
laters,
marlon
- Original
Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't
have to go to the tower.
http://www.dinrelay.com
this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16
port $295
All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on
most of the
Those are cool. I use their web switches already; never looked at
that relay product.
Marlons idea is good for repeater sites. I am thinking of my main
tower -- 180'. Scott, I have not lost a radio on that tower in 4
years, but DID lose an Ethernet port on one after 2 direct strikes in
a
Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote
controlling our generator:
http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a
commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power)
Greg
On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote:
Or do it your way and add this to
Their $135 against $119.
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Some remote control
Oops, my bad DL's is $150 each 10 + 119
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Some
Yeah but it goes to 28vdc vs 24vdc. Those 4 extra volts might make a
difference for folks doing 24 volt solar.
On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Chuck Profito wrote:
Their $135 against $119.
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On
Yes I see that, good point, the dl will do 40Vdc but 24 is max recommended.
It also drops out at 8.
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