Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP = Big Government in Missouri
Ask them what is going to happen when someone DIG's in and that Fiber is cut. How long to take to repair it? It's not as simple as as soldering two points together. How long are those customers going to be down? It happens all the time. What if the city decides to put in a Subway where that fiber is? They would have to redo EVERYTHING! There are always lots of IF's that Wireless can overcome at the moment and IF the FCC will give us some spectrum to use! Think Cell, the cell carriers paid out the wing-yang for a little bit, tell them what an entrepreneur can do with alot! BYW, Wireless bypasses almost all these problems. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:58:18 -0500 Victoria, I agree with you 110%. When I first looked at what the state was proposing, I saw that it was virtually an overlay of existing fiber routes. What will this do to promote any last mile projects? This governor is not gaining any points with me. I believe your 'stinks' article was spot on, I am forwarding it to our state representative. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP = Big Government in Missouri Folks in this state have been getting a bit upset, and I don't blame them. Telecommunication/Cable associations have been complaining and we don't know if anyone is listening. The state has proposed a project that repeats not just one, but a multitude of fiber carriers. They have made it clear that it will be used with the states University program Morenet, as well as for the state to have free traffic. The only applicants that Governor Jay Nixon supports are applicants that propose to use his new fiber ring. Yesterday, I spoke to the once CIO of the state, who interestingly moved to another department after the Governors' announcement of support. By the time all is said and done, the price to access that 'new fiber ring' is going to be about 3X what we negotiated with private carriers. We did an article: http://showmebroadband.com/stinks.html Any ideas? Thanks, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water
I do have a TLink-45 pair sitting around (non connectorized) that I could test. Is there a hack to put a pigtail on these? 23 miles is pushing the range of the internal antennas. If the enclosure is removed from the antenna, by undoing the 9 screws, it is possible to connect the Tlink to an external antenna in a temporary way. It has the standard internal MCX connectors same as all the other 5830 radios have inside. BUT, the jack are soldered directly to teh Mainboard, and lined up to slide into the plugs hard fastened on the antena, So the depth of the MCX jack is really tight to the side that would be facing the antenna, with only like a millimeter clearance or so. So it is NOT possible to plug in a MCX pigtail to it and still screw to the antenna or put a flat back plate. So only way to keep a pigtail on (external antenna) is if the radio is left open. As well the Radio then would have no way to mount to a pole, as the mounts are on the antennas. BUT, you could leave the Tlink open with the pigtail, and put the whole Tlink inside a larger enclosure. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water 2009/10/28 Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net: Its relevent to disclose the radio OS type using. (You stated using a R5H a Mikrotik card, but weren't clear if using Mikrotik OS). The symptom you are explaining sounds similar to how some of my Mikrotik OS units had responsed to noise. Basically they kept dropping speed until they disconnected. It was like watching a clock tick down to zero, and repeat. I had this problem recently with 900Mhz and MIkrotik, and the problem was curred as soon as I switch to a different brand product. I'm suspect, but not verified, nor conclusive, that it could be a Mikrotik driver issue. The point I'm making is that you are likely getting some sort of noise or multi-path (self noise), but the overall problem may not be the noise/multi-path but instead the inabilty of your product to adequately deal with that noise/multipath RF conditions. Yup, it is Mikrotik 4.1 at both ends, on Routerboard 433AH boards, fed by a 24v DC plant (batteries and charger). The easiest place to do a science project probably isn't between two towers seperated by a 20 mile body of water, but it would make for a very interesting and meaningful science project. The link doesn't have traffic over it, the site is currently fed by a T1, so I have some time to play mad scientist without any negative effects to customers. Sure a Mimo card w/ Dual Pol (for single stream) or Space Diversity would likely help deal with Multipath. But what I wonder is whether the same bad results are replicated with other single channel products of similar spec. It would be interesting to put up a Tlink-45, get results of it's noise survey scan, and see if it overcomes the problem. Or even try a StarOS box. Its also relevent to understand how much of the issue is canceled RF, and how much is side effects of 802.11 CDMA? I'm wondering if a TDD system w/ good ARQ better handles it. I do have a TLink-45 pair sitting around (non connectorized) that I could test. Is there a hack to put a pigtail on these? If the power is turned down on the troublesome end, only possible during the times of day when the RX level is decent, the bandwidth test runs faster and longer before it drops to nothing. This might make the link usable, if Mikrotik had some sort of variable transmit power control to maintain 10-20db SNR. My point here is in an ideal world a radio should never have the characteristic to start at 6mb and slowly go to Zero. Instead it should stay at 6mbps, and just have a very high error count. Even if it has 50% packet loss it should stay associated, and with a TDD system w/ARQ it likely would.. When performing the test, the amount of retransmissions push the data rate down from 54 to progressively lower modulation speeds. I am running 5Mhz channels (tried 10, and 20) so this explains the progressive drop to low throughput and ultimate disconnection in my mind. Also note, if Using Mikrotik, they now support Atheros's threshold feature, to mask out weak signals, this can help reduce multipath signal. (although use cutiously as there can be significant fade of water with Fog/Clouds/evaporation/Solar and such.) Obviously if you switched to a TDD MIMO system, you'd optimize your chance for success, but you would not be able to learn what factor most helped the improvement. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar
good idea, but not too power efficient. Steve wrote: I was not so happy either when I found out the newest line of MT boards didn't work on my already functioning 24vdc system. I have however been successful with a simple LM7818 regulator with a couple of tantalum caps and a good heatsink to drop voltage from ~26v supply. They are 1 amp, and I am using a 493 with 2 high power cards. all seems well so far. it's on a mountain and i don't look forward to winter maintenance. extremely cheap solution if you are handy with a soldering iron. WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps
If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why the FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use Scottie Arnett wrote: I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider beforehand. It seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you and I have) repeater in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be talking to the FCC. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:39:39 -0400 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone. Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc. Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of construction. Has anyone does a project like this? -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar
I know why it was done, I just wish it wasn't that way. Bell Labs got it right the first time with the 48VDC POE system. Independent of line length, 48V POE just works. I've solved my problem with a 48VDC to 24VDC 18W converter that I add when I build my tower gear. Adds about $15 in parts to the unit, but a bit of labor to build. I also found a 21W 48VDC to 12VDC POE that works well, too. Adds $22 to the price, but is much quicker to build. For CPE equipment, I don't care about the POE voltage. I never put CPE gear on cables longer than 100ft. But I have towers with 50ft of cable and towers with 300ft of cable. I found answers that work for me. I'm sure others have their own answers. Eje Gustafsson wrote: That would mean increased cost on the units. People is more interested in price and MT products not capable of 48VDC and the sale of them caused such a dip in the 48V MT products that the 48VDC product line became too expensive to produce due to lack of quantity so choice was either increase price or drop the line. So the product was dropped because increase in price would mean even more people felt the advantage wasn't enough to justify paying that much more which would lead to even lower sale which would increased the cost and there is a level when producing a product does not become economical because the quantity is not enough. On MOST of their products we can do a special order MOQ 100 pcs last I checked at a slightly higher price than previous list price. Got need enough for 100 pcs RB532 or 100 pcs RB100 series boards. We still have RB230's left. Or of course you could buy RB600 which handles 10-56V on power jack or 38 to 56V on POE port. So you actually do have one option still available that gives you a powerful unit that is still manufactured and sold. So I guess comes down to how much is it worth to you the option is STILL there but I would assume you want the 48V option on the lower cost routers and that will not happen because that is ONE of the reason the products are cheaper. That said the choice is up to you actually since the product is available. / Eje From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar I want MikroTik to go back to 48VDC! Randy Cosby wrote: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=36191start=0 t=36191start=0 I'm pulling my hair out and wasting all kinds of money on voltage regulators to make sure my solar and dc-powered sites don't cause mikrotik routerboards to go into over-voltage protection when the batteries get charged over 28v. I'm begging (and asking for you to join me) Mikrotik to: 1. Upgrade the over-voltage protection to 30v or higher on 24 volt products. 2. Never EVER make another routerboard that runs has over-voltage protection at 28v 3. Change the over-voltage behavior to cause the device to reboot when the voltage drops to acceptable levels, instead of requiring a power-cycle to bring it back to life. Will you join me on this and let Mikrotik, your distributor, etc. know your thoughts on this? This is not a new problem, it has been discussed repeatedly on the lists and forums. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
Butch, There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger call to action to come. I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented elsewhere. If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest? To explain what I means. Quality Mikrotik Training available at... 1. Butch Evans training acadame (I've seen your name many times on for pay training). 2. Dennis Webinars training, 3. Microik MUMs 4. Eje's training camps. Etc etc etc etc. If I want Mikrotik training, it will take me about 2 minutes to go find some. That is a COMPLIMENT to Mikrotik that they are developing such a strong support/training base in the USA. So what I'm saying is that a WISPA show would not be a unique show of New content if it just became another standard Mikrotik training siminar. (I'd love to see Mikrotik specific training as either a parallel thread or piggy back as a day before/after main show.) I do NOT mean to say that Mikrotik shouldn;t have any involvement or session. Mikrotik should have as much opportunity for exposure as any other vendors, and maybe even more because we have so many vendor members that sell Mikrotik. And we have so many GOOD Mikroik training people as resources to WISPA. I'm simply suggesting that we look for unique content. I suggested MPLS, because I have not seen many sessions on MPLS at shows I attended. Its also a feature that I think many WISPs dont use yet, because its new, and ironically its probably one of the most unique things about Mikrotik. I can tell you if there was a MPLS for Mikrotik Session, I would surely attend it. But you know, you are probably the better one to ask what is unique Mikrotik training? Because you provide so much training, you probably know what you have covered and haven't? What are your suggestions? But I'm also not saying it is easy to come up with unique topics, that is the big challenge of doing a great show. I think the content should include some technical discussions with specific products or technologies. To use the example you brought up, MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or any other product. There could be a couple of sessions explaining the technology, THEN we could provide a breakout session where people could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is knowledgeable in the particular area. This could be a vendor, consultant or end user. It wouldn't matter WHO provided the configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo. I don't see this as pushing a vendor specific content as much as USING a known vendor for a particular technology. I think that is an EXCELLENT idea as a format for the session. Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe Alvarion or some others. Each could offer a short pitch of what makes their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of the session could be QA. Attendees would love that. Although not sure many vendors would like that. But You did hit on a hot new topic of polling TDD. The new trend is methods to mimic TDD, with hacked 802.11a MACs. Polling is not a new idea, if go back to Karlnet, Trango, even Waverider. But there are surely new implentations of it. We can use Ubiquiti's Airmux's new technique, or Mikrotik's NStreme, or Ligowave's proprietary MAC. I guess TDD and Polling are two different things, but its still the same kind if topic. It would be interesting to get the low down on the new technology. And compare how they stacked up to the old methods. Although that might needs some prior RD testing to gather data before the presentation. Or we just let the Vendors come tell us more about their new methods. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. I disagree with your assessment here. More on that below. There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger call to action to come. I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented elsewhere. If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest? I think the content should include some technical discussions with specific products or technologies. To use the example you brought up, MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or any other product.
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps
-- Original Message -- From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:43:25 -0400 I understand. Just repeating what was told to me. I was working with a Wilson sales person to repeat cell service to a boat dock, and this was what I heard from the list. Something about spurious emissions on the cell bands from these amps and men in black helicopters. I use a Wilson 3 watt amp on my cell and the only helicopter I see are the ones looking for mary jane grower's in my area. Scott Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
MTI -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber
Chances are, too much for anybody. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber You we need to see where the closest splice point is. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon fiber I'm assuming this is hopeless, but somebody here can probably confirm: Verizon has fiber running down the dirt road that passes by a grain leg I'm using. (I'm told it was put in for 911 service to Bath, MI) Is it possible to have them tap into it and sell bulk bandwidth to me? For less than 10s of thousand$? If it helps, there is a small concrete vault nearby that the fiber runs thru. The farmer says the cover has been left open on that for years. You can look in and see a metal can (about 8 by 2') that the fiber runs thru. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
This one is 15dBi minimum from MTI... http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf I'd expect to pay somewhere around $550 or so for it though Other than that I have only seen 10 and 12dBi ones typically. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
You won't find a 16dbi omni in 5.8ghz, I've never seen one. We have used a 12dbi omni and it works well. Once thing I have noticed is that 5.8ghz high gain omni work better at the lower end of the 5.8 band. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni This one is 15dBi minimum from MTI... http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf I'd expect to pay somewhere around $550 or so for it though Other than that I have only seen 10 and 12dBi ones typically. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
I have some slightly used 15dB omni's if you need any. - Original Message From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 7:55:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni MTI -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
I'd agree with Tom's idea here. Vendor specific training should run the day before or after INDUSTRY specific training. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey Butch, There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger call to action to come. I don't understand this statement at all. I am assuming you mean you would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented elsewhere. If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest? To explain what I means. Quality Mikrotik Training available at... 1. Butch Evans training acadame (I've seen your name many times on for pay training). 2. Dennis Webinars training, 3. Microik MUMs 4. Eje's training camps. Etc etc etc etc. If I want Mikrotik training, it will take me about 2 minutes to go find some. That is a COMPLIMENT to Mikrotik that they are developing such a strong support/training base in the USA. So what I'm saying is that a WISPA show would not be a unique show of New content if it just became another standard Mikrotik training siminar. (I'd love to see Mikrotik specific training as either a parallel thread or piggy back as a day before/after main show.) I do NOT mean to say that Mikrotik shouldn;t have any involvement or session. Mikrotik should have as much opportunity for exposure as any other vendors, and maybe even more because we have so many vendor members that sell Mikrotik. And we have so many GOOD Mikroik training people as resources to WISPA. I'm simply suggesting that we look for unique content. I suggested MPLS, because I have not seen many sessions on MPLS at shows I attended. Its also a feature that I think many WISPs dont use yet, because its new, and ironically its probably one of the most unique things about Mikrotik. I can tell you if there was a MPLS for Mikrotik Session, I would surely attend it. But you know, you are probably the better one to ask what is unique Mikrotik training? Because you provide so much training, you probably know what you have covered and haven't? What are your suggestions? But I'm also not saying it is easy to come up with unique topics, that is the big challenge of doing a great show. I think the content should include some technical discussions with specific products or technologies. To use the example you brought up, MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or any other product. There could be a couple of sessions explaining the technology, THEN we could provide a breakout session where people could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is knowledgeable in the particular area. This could be a vendor, consultant or end user. It wouldn't matter WHO provided the configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo. I don't see this as pushing a vendor specific content as much as USING a known vendor for a particular technology. I think that is an EXCELLENT idea as a format for the session. Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe Alvarion or some others. Each could offer a short pitch of what makes their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of the session could be QA. Attendees would love that. Although not sure many vendors would like that. But You did hit on a hot new topic of polling TDD. The new trend is methods to mimic TDD, with hacked 802.11a MACs. Polling is not a new idea, if go back to Karlnet, Trango, even Waverider. But there are surely new implentations of it. We can use Ubiquiti's Airmux's new technique, or Mikrotik's NStreme, or Ligowave's proprietary MAC. I guess TDD and Polling are two different things, but its still the same kind if topic. It would be interesting to get the low down on the new technology. And compare how they stacked up to the old methods. Although that might needs some prior RD testing to gather data before the presentation. Or we just let the Vendors come tell us more about their new methods. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. I disagree with your assessment here. More on that below. There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather WISPA push content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger call to action to come. I don't understand this
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Yeah. I don't use any omni's over 8 or 9 dB. Well, I guess I have one 10 out there, but I keep taking it out The ONLY time I've suggested people use higher gain ones is when they are on a rooftop that's the same height as everyone else or down in a valley with customers up the sides. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes
That doesn't surprise me. The TV companies own Hulu anyway, so it was inevitable that'd they'd need money from somewhere eventually. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:12 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes And... Hulu investors are considering HARD on charging for content access as of about a month ago, a google search will surmise. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:50 -0400 TV over wireless is a non-starter. Even if you used MPEG4 which is really for video you still can only get 2-3 channels. A low-cost solution would be to set up something like a HULU server where the video is compressed enough that the wireless can handle it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes Do you have any suggestions for budget friendly set top boxes? e.g. TV - set top box - wireless CPE -- wireless stuff outside (mpeg-2 is most likely what they're looking for, not mpeg-4, as it's in South America and they're looking for something very low cost) Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
I also have a box load of maxrad 9dB omni antennas if anyone needs them. - Original Message From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 8:48:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni Yeah. I don't use any omni's over 8 or 9 dB. Well, I guess I have one 10 out there, but I keep taking it out The ONLY time I've suggested people use higher gain ones is when they are on a rooftop that's the same height as everyone else or down in a valley with customers up the sides. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes
Jerry Richardson wrote: TV over wireless is a non-starter. Even if you used MPEG4 which is really for video you still can only get 2-3 channels. I was recently speaking with a relative of mine who is now getting his TV delivered over DSL. He is an engineer, so he asked the tech for a bit more information on how it works. With this system, only the channels that are actively being watched are beamed over the DSL line, and when you change a channel, it sends a signal to the TV server to deliver a different stream. With his connection, he is limited to watching 8-10 different channels at a time, but I could see this working well on a robust wireless network with a channel or two. Josh -- Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com http://www.joshcheney.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OSPF maximums
For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes
You won't be able to use any traditional US channels over a wireless system. They won't license it. SD is about a meg or two and HD requires 5 - 10. At times, my house would then require 17 - 34 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] budget friendly set top boxes Jerry Richardson wrote: TV over wireless is a non-starter. Even if you used MPEG4 which is really for video you still can only get 2-3 channels. I was recently speaking with a relative of mine who is now getting his TV delivered over DSL. He is an engineer, so he asked the tech for a bit more information on how it works. With this system, only the channels that are actively being watched are beamed over the DSL line, and when you change a channel, it sends a signal to the TV server to deliver a different stream. With his connection, he is limited to watching 8-10 different channels at a time, but I could see this working well on a robust wireless network with a channel or two. Josh -- Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com http://www.joshcheney.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
I was just giving examples. I was not saying show only those vendors equipment, but trying to convey that having discussions that compare and contract types of hardware like routers, or layer 3 switches, etc. Or maybe a discussion that shows to to create effective routing solutions showing examples using equipment like image stream, cisco, juniper, 'tik, dell, zyxel, etc. People can show their examples and why they used them. Chuck Profito wrote: You mean like Image stream ? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So: The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc. For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. All should be able to show examples. Just my 2 cents... - Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you would like to see in this show. As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list. We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey. If you have not filled out the survey please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is done. Thanks for your time. Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
I meant there wasn't a big text area at the bottom where I could type up additional comments. Forbes Mercy wrote: Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about. I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So: The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc. For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. All should be able to show examples. Just my 2 cents... - Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you would like to see in this show. As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list. We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey. If you have not filled out the survey please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is done. Thanks for your time. Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
If I understand correctly, There is no limit. But I vaguely remember something about OSPF being unstable with 500+ routers. As you start to get to much crosstalk overhead. If its a big area you would need to do like OSPF and BGP I don't remember how it went, something like transit routes with ospf and advertise the customer space with bgp... Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jory Privett j...@wccs.net Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
I'm pretty sure the limit is just CPU/Memory. We currently 112 routing entries in one of our networks, this is on a network with 24 OSPF routers. -Kevin On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jory Privett j...@wccs.net wrote: For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
I think a good OSPF single area would be around 75 routers. Over that you get quite a bit of traffic. Not saying that this is a hard limit, just a rule of thumb. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. Regards Michael Baird You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
2009/10/29 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. I would be very concerned about antenna isolation with that. Using it with a radio that does not support transmit sync would be a nightmare. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
That is not really an omni. It is three sectors meant to be fed with three different radios. That being said, and in regard to my last post, a back to back array with a couple of 90's fed correctly would yield a pretty nice omni pattern that you could get close to 16 dB. Two 18 dB sectors with a decent splitter would yield a 15 dB omni. It would just be pretty big as far as antennas go. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. Regards Michael Baird You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Actually I think this antenna would work perfect for what he wants http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf And I doubt that spec sheet is BS (but then again I don't build antennas myself :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
It could be a nightmare, but with appropriate channels being selected - - it could be ok. IMHO - this is no worse than using multiple radios in a single enclosure in the same frequency. I guess it could be worse if you were using multiple radios in a single enclosure AND using an antenna like this :-) That would be shooting yourself in both feet :-) All that smart ass comment just to admit - - - IMHO you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni 2009/10/29 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. I would be very concerned about antenna isolation with that. Using it with a radio that does not support transmit sync would be a nightmare. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2462 - Release Date: 10/29/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
Using StarOS we have about 480 subnet routes propagating throughout our network. This represents approximately 220 routed devices. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Dennis Burgess wrote: I think a good OSPF single area would be around 75 routers. Over that you get quite a bit of traffic. Not saying that this is a hard limit, just a rule of thumb. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Cameron: Your prowess as an antenna designer is well known. Define a decent splitter, and where one might find one. I think that solution would be usable to a wide group on this list. Mike At 12:05 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: That is not really an omni. It is three sectors meant to be fed with three different radios. That being said, and in regard to my last post, a back to back array with a couple of 90's fed correctly would yield a pretty nice omni pattern that you could get close to 16 dB. Two 18 dB sectors with a decent splitter would yield a 15 dB omni. It would just be pretty big as far as antennas go. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. Regards Michael Baird You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:33 -0500, Jory Privett wrote: For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? While there may be an actual maximum number, I cannot find that in the standard. In practice, however, I have found that keeping the number of interfaces in an area under 100 to be helpful. Realistically, that is a very large number. Also, it is important to note the difference between interfaces and routers in OSPF networks. An OSPF Router (which can be viewed in Mikrotik in the GUI) is a device that is participating in the OSPF network on any interface. An OSPF interface is what gets counted as a hop and is, therefore, part of the path cost calculation. So, the short answer is: Keep the number of interfaces around (or below) 100 or so. I have seen SOME people who recommend under 200 ROUTERS per AS. I have not run into any sorts of limitations in that regard, but there are only a few networks that I work on that have enough routers to even reach that number. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 09:44 -0600, Kevin Neal wrote: I'm pretty sure the limit is just CPU/Memory. We currently 112 routing entries in one of our networks, this is on a network with 24 OSPF routers. Number of routes is not that much of a problem. I have one customer with about 8k OSPF routes (he does pppoe). You can do BGP with nearly 300K routes without problems. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:06 -0500, Butch Evans wrote: So, the short answer is: Keep the number of interfaces around (or below) 100 or so. I should add that I DO have customers who have well over 150 ROUTERS with multiple interfaces in a single area. This limit is not a hard limit. The other reality is that when you reach that number of routers, it is very likely that a network should be relatively easy to reconfigure into multiple areas. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPCON?
Didn't know this list worked. I still have it in my filters! Rk On 9/30/2009 10:41 AM, Larry Yunker wrote: Last I had heard, Michael decided that due to the state of the economy, October 2009 was probably not the right time to hold another conference. I know he has interest in scheduling another conference, but the timing must be right to draw sufficient interest demand. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPCON? I take it that it's not actually happening OCTOBER 2009 like the site says? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Outdoor UPS
Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this install. Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC feed, something that can do 100-250 watts would probably be fine. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS
Michael, These systems are powered by POE. Not sure if that works for you. http://tyconpower.com/products/systems.htm Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this install. Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC feed, something that can do 100-250 watts would probably be fine. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS
APC and Cyberpower makes some. 12V or 48V output. Outdoor mounted. AC power input. We used them for a FTTH project once. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: Michael, These systems are powered by POE. Not sure if that works for you. http://tyconpower.com/products/systems.htm Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this install. Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC feed, something that can do 100-250 watts would probably be fine. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
Plastic ice scraper! :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
Are the tops smooth glass? Just use a single edged razor held at a shallow angle and some elbow grease. Mike At 03:51 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably fine as long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are simply covered with safety glass. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:51:07PM -0600, Randy Cosby wrote: I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
An automotive plastic snow/ice scraper might be a good choice - less chance of damaging the panels. On 10/29/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably fine as long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are simply covered with safety glass. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:51:07PM -0600, Randy Cosby wrote: I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water
2009/10/28 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable. One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90' ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates dramatically. When the antennas were installed and configured for a 5Mhz channel, I was able to aim them to -55, but still they go down during parts of the day. I have a second antenna hung on the 200ft end, at about 185', connected to a second R5H set up for H-Pol which I am going to light up as soon as I get the other end mounted H-Pol. Any other suggestions for getting this stable? I also notice some strangeness when doing bandwidth tests. I can get a steady 8mbps downstream from the 200ft end to the 50' end, but from the 50' end to the 200ft end, the transfer starts at about 6mbps, then slowly drops down to 0, and the client radio (the 50' end) drops. My assumption is multipath reflections off of the water at the lower end, but I cannot be sure. The water is tidal, with as much as a 3' change from low to high, and is connected to the ocean, so there can be considerable chop and wave action on the surface. I just swapped this link to H-Pol, and it needs to be watched overnight, but looks good so far. Signal fluctuating between -59 and -66 on a 20mhz channel, CCQ at 90/90 or better. After flipping to H-Pol, the channel was still set to 5Mhz, and the same fast start and slowdown was occurring, the radio would disassociate with poll timeouts and too many retransmissions. Switching to a 20mhz channel fixed this. status: running duration: 3m59s tx-current: 15.7Mbps tx-10-second-average: 18.0Mbps tx-total-average: 17.4Mbps rx-current: 16.3Mbps rx-10-second-average: 17.2Mbps rx-total-average: 17.2Mbps lost-packets: 60 random-data: no direction: both tx-size: 1500 rx-size: 1500 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
How about a razor knife? We actually use one of them to clean our fancy glass top cook stove. Doesn't seem to scratch it at all. marlon - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps
It is FCC approved insofar as the technical standards. Legality of use belongs with the end user - and the FCC has clearly stated that the cell phone repeaters must be coordinated with the carriers whose signals are being repeated, otherwise their use is illegal. An example of the FCC approval, I believe it was midland that was recently taken to fine because of scrambling on some GMRS/FRS radios. Illegal, and midland never argued that point. Those radios met the fcc approval for two way radios. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why the FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use Scottie Arnett wrote: I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider beforehand. It seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you and I have) repeater in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be talking to the FCC. Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Are these the TV transmitters? As in on the TV station or a community repeater site? If so, this could just be too much general RF for the system to deal with. I've also had trouble on the ethernet side of things at an FM radio station. marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz? Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Is the interference to you or to the TV signal? What is grounded and where? Perhaps you are causing a ground loop by doing grounding differently than they did or something? If to the TV signal ? Are you using shielded cat5e cabling and grounding an end of the shield drain wire? Any other stuff installed with it, like mikrotiks or switches or anything? If to you, TV antennas on roofs don't transmit (currently). Any cell phone tower backhauls nearby or 5.8 phones? Perhaps the tv antennas are just a scapegoat. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Adam Greene wrote: Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Guys, thanks for the brainstorm ideas. Interference is to us. And yes, it makes sense that since this is not a TV station building, these antennas are probably receive only. There is a huge omni antenna with 490 printed on the side, which is where we took the idea of 490MHz from, but it's only a guess. We're using Teldor shielded black uv-protected cat5e with ground wire. No Mikrotiks around (tho if the 5.8 don't work, we may be puttin in some 5.3 gear!!) On 10/29/2009 6:21 PM, jp wrote: Is the interference to you or to the TV signal? What is grounded and where? Perhaps you are causing a ground loop by doing grounding differently than they did or something? If to the TV signal ? Are you using shielded cat5e cabling and grounding an end of the shield drain wire? Any other stuff installed with it, like mikrotiks or switches or anything? If to you, TV antennas on roofs don't transmit (currently). Any cell phone tower backhauls nearby or 5.8 phones? Perhaps the tv antennas are just a scapegoat. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Adam Greene wrote: Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
It's likely water base in which warm soapy water and a squeeqee will suffice. Don't use anything abrasive. If it's oil base, it may still come off with warm soapy water as it overspray tends to be partially dry by the time it lands. Try not to scrape as it leaves small scratches that catch pollen and dust. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
I nosed around the Internet looking at the various designs of stripline dividers. It is almost trivial to make one. But the more I think about it, if I am going to coordinate a climb to hang a pair of antennae, I'd probably just carry two radios up and run them separate and sectorized. If both feeds are exactly the same, half the power would go to each. Receive should be symmetrical, and only slightly attenuated from a single antenna deployment. But, a point of failure, and may be false economy. Mike At 02:13 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: There are several manufacturers like IF Engineering, Meca, RF Lamda, and such of quality combiner/dividers, but pretty much any RF Design group that manufactures quality hybrid stripline dividers would probably work. These are typically better than using something like a T to split/combine signals. What you want is something with low insertion loss and at least 20 dB of isolation between ports. Cameron Mike wrote: Cameron: Your prowess as an antenna designer is well known. Define a decent splitter, and where one might find one. I think that solution would be usable to a wide group on this list. Mike At 12:05 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: That is not really an omni. It is three sectors meant to be fed with three different radios. That being said, and in regard to my last post, a back to back array with a couple of 90's fed correctly would yield a pretty nice omni pattern that you could get close to 16 dB. Two 18 dB sectors with a decent splitter would yield a 15 dB omni. It would just be pretty big as far as antennas go. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. Regards Michael Baird You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a 9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. Cameron Michael Baird wrote: Tom, This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at least 100ft+. Regards Michael Baird I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS
Is there an enclosure? Are there Costco's in your area? Triplite 1000 VA / 500 watt $99.95 We put these on our repeaters with a additional battery in our enclosure. Default setting is 'ON' We have deployed about 80-100 of these, only had one failure. We are in central California, so mild winters, 100 -105 summers. YMMV -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this install. Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC feed, something that can do 100-250 watts would probably be fine. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions - paint overspray on solar panels
And on that note, why not contact the solar panel manufacturer? -RickG On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:03 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably fine as long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are simply covered with safety glass. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:51:07PM -0600, Randy Cosby wrote: I have a couple solar panels on a water tank. A few months ago the water company painted the tank, and obviously didn't cover our panels the whole time, so there is a very thin layer of paint on them. Not sure what kind of paint it is, but I can scratch it off with my fingernails. I don't have enough fingernails to do all the panels though Any suggestions on what to use to take that off without damaging the solar panels? I'm sure they'll work better without brown specs all over them. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
How high is the tower this is all on? If you run the calcs for line loss, even at 5 gig, up to 100' of coax isn't horrible much of the time. I'm putting more and more radios back on the ground these days. LMR 600 or 900 can pay for it's self in a climb or two. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Those are cool. I use their web switches already; never looked at that relay product. Marlons idea is good for repeater sites. I am thinking of my main tower -- 180'. Scott, I have not lost a radio on that tower in 4 years, but DID lose an Ethernet port on one after 2 direct strikes in a row. Even threw me out of bed when that happened. Yeah, it would be more expensive initially, but the peace of mind might be worth it. It would still cost less than single radio deployments cost me four years ago. How about those dual band sectors. Anybody use any they would recommend? Mike At 10:20 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote controlling our generator: http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power) Greg On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Their $135 against $119. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote controlling our generator: http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power) Greg On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Oops, my bad DL's is $150 each 10 + 119 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote controlling our generator: http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power) Greg On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Yeah but it goes to 28vdc vs 24vdc. Those 4 extra volts might make a difference for folks doing 24 volt solar. On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Their $135 against $119. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote controlling our generator: http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power) Greg On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
Yes I see that, good point, the dl will do 40Vdc but 24 is max recommended. It also drops out at 8. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Yeah but it goes to 28vdc vs 24vdc. Those 4 extra volts might make a difference for folks doing 24 volt solar. On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Their $135 against $119. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Some remote control devices I've been looking at for remote controlling our generator: http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-quad/ (this one comes in a commercial model that accepts 9-28vdc power) Greg On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't have to go to the tower. http://www.dinrelay.com this unit saves the trip up the hill. Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16 port $295 All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on most of the radio boards, it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list: An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues. A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each. Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper. It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio on the tower, if implemented properly. If an entire router or power supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go into service. So there would be no single unit. If either radio, or either router died, the drone would take over. Each antenna would have a redundant radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure. Mike At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and fault tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive. I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs than more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs. I think a well planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be best IMO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower setup. 1 antenna; two radios. Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio failed, the other would come on-line. The replacement climb would be taken out of the EMERGENCY category. A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4 (or 900 MHz) degree sectors. 6) small waterproof enclosures would contain a router and one of each radio. I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that could be used to energize a relay. Microwave relays are readily available and have acceptable insertion loss. Would a stripline divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer instead? Passive solutions are always better. If the antennas were dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered. Besides redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal. Has anybody done anything like this? Can't seem to find any on the net. Am I mad? Mike --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
