Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Rick Harnish
http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Eric Rogers
That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

Eric

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http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread chris cooper
If you call John at superpass he may be willing to build one custom for
you.
Chris

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That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

Eric

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http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Are these good antennas that we can compare to MTI, Tiltek, etc or the
generic quality of PacWireless, etc?

I would like to have a 900 hpol and 5.8 vpol if it's a good antenna to
save space!

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:58 AM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.comwrote:

 If you call John at superpass he may be willing to build one custom for
 you.
 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:47 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
 Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

 Eric

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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:26 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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 Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?



 Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.



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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Andy Trimmell
I would also like to know the quality. Good question Josh.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Are these good antennas that we can compare to MTI, Tiltek, etc or the
generic quality of PacWireless, etc?

I would like to have a 900 hpol and 5.8 vpol if it's a good antenna to
save space!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:58 AM, chris cooper
ccoo...@intelliwave.comwrote:

 If you call John at superpass he may be willing to build one custom
for
 you.
 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:47 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
 Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

 Eric

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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:26 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?



 Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.



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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread RickG
That would be a Trango 5800 series unit.
http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access/Access5830-System.aspx
The better question is it an AP or CPE? The only way to tell is to log into
it.
-RickG

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years
 ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having
 the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda like
 what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who makes
 them, or where we could buy a couple more?

 [image:

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw]

 [image:

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw]

 [image:

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw]

 Thanks!
 Jayson




 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread RickG
Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?



 Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.



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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Rick Harnish
We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower install.
Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion of
the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth as I
was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.  

Sorry this isn't much help.  

Rick

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Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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 Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?



 Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.



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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread Mike Goicoechea
Rick, 
I think he is asking on just the antennas themselves. I do not believe
trango manufactured the antenna element and enclosure. A customer of ours
has a closet full of damaged Trango radios that were well out of warrantee
(not at all bashing trango, static and surge happens.). We have wondered if
we can utilize the antennas/enclosures for MTK type cpe. Has anyone tried
that with success? 

Mike Goicoechea
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

That would be a Trango 5800 series unit.
http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access
/Access5830-System.aspx
The better question is it an AP or CPE? The only way to tell is to log into
it.
-RickG

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless
years
 ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
having
 the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda like
 what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who makes
 them, or where we could buy a couple more?

 [image:


?ui=2view=attth=124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008f
a82282eczw]

 [image:


?ui=2view=attth=124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0092
4c58a1f4zw]

 [image:


?ui=2view=attth=124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094
cee1f93ezw]

 Thanks!
 Jayson







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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread Jayson Baker
Right.  These aren't/weren't Trango.  We bought just the antenna itself, and
put MikroTik inside it.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.netwrote:

 Rick,
 I think he is asking on just the antennas themselves. I do not believe
 trango manufactured the antenna element and enclosure. A customer of ours
 has a closet full of damaged Trango radios that were well out of warrantee
 (not at all bashing trango, static and surge happens.). We have wondered if
 we can utilize the antennas/enclosures for MTK type cpe. Has anyone tried
 that with success?

 Mike Goicoechea
 m...@cielosystems.net

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:03 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

 That would be a Trango 5800 series unit.

 http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access
 /Access5830-System.aspxhttp://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access%0A/Access5830-System.aspx
 The better question is it an AP or CPE? The only way to tell is to log into
 it.
 -RickG

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless
 years
  ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
 having
  the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda like
  what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who makes
  them, or where we could buy a couple more?
 
  [image:
 
 

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008f
 a82282eczw]
 
  [image:
 
 

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0092
 4c58a1f4zw]
 
  [image:
 
 

 ?ui=2view=attth=124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094
 cee1f93ezw]
 
  Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Mike Goicoechea
We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower install.
 Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion of
 the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth as I
 was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.

 Sorry this isn't much help.

 Rick

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

  http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
 
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  Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.
 
 
 
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[WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Mike
I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the 
P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and 
think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am 
expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both) 
dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so 
I thought I'd start here.

The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies 
from 86/78 to 91/86

The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) 
at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid 80s.

Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.

Which dish would you wag first based on these readings?

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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Travis Johnson
What is the distance of the link? What antennas? What wireless cards?

Travis
Microserv

Mike wrote:
 I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the 
 P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and 
 think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am 
 expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both) 
 dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so 
 I thought I'd start here.

 The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies 
 from 86/78 to 91/86

 The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) 
 at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid 80s.

 Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.

 Which dish would you wag first based on these readings?

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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Randy Cosby
Are you passing traffic over the link yet?  CCQ numbers are very 
inaccurate until traffic is going through.  They usually improve.


Mike wrote:
 I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the 
 P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and 
 think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am 
 expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both) 
 dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so 
 I thought I'd start here.

 The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies 
 from 86/78 to 91/86

 The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) 
 at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid 80s.

 Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.

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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have tested, the
Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit will say
-95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros card.

Is this 2.4 or 5.8?  Are you seeing -71 both ways?

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 Are you passing traffic over the link yet?  CCQ numbers are very
 inaccurate until traffic is going through.  They usually improve.


 Mike wrote:
  I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the
  P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and
  think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am
  expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both)
  dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so
  I thought I'd start here.
 
  The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies
  from 86/78 to 91/86
 
  The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%)
  at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid
 80s.
 
  Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.
 
  Which dish would you wag first based on these readings?
 
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Mike
That helps.  No, it is not passing traffic.  I'll generate some.  Thanks.  Mike

At 12:49 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
Are you passing traffic over the link yet?  CCQ numbers are very
inaccurate until traffic is going through.  They usually improve.


Mike wrote:
  I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the
  P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and
  think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am
  expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both)
  dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so
  I thought I'd start here.
 
  The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies
  from 86/78 to 91/86
 
  The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%)
  at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid 80s.
 
  Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.
 
  Which dish would you wag first based on these readings?
 
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Mike
10.6 miles.  5.8.  I'm looking for a -65 dBm  Rx on the link.  It's 
about 6 dB off.  Fresnel zone is clear p2p.  Each can see a flashing 
beacon on top of the other. What I want to know which one to wag 
first, or flip a coin?

Mike

At 12:46 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
What is the distance of the link? What antennas? What wireless cards?

Travis
Microserv

Mike wrote:
  I just put up a new repeater site today.  I am using MT for the
  P2P.  I aligned the dishes by eyeball and a compass bearing, and
  think I'm close.  The signal at both ends is -71 dBm, but am
  expecting better.  I am going to wag one or the other (or both)
  dishes, but wondered where to start.  This list has many answers, so
  I thought I'd start here.
 
  The master side, 165' feet up shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%) at 88 78 and varies
  from 86/78 to 91/86
 
  The slave end, about 65' on top of a power pole shows Tx/Rx CCQ (%)
  at 84/90 and the Tx varies from 76 to 86 but usually stays in the mid 80s.
 
  Signal to noise is about 47 on both ends.
 
  Which dish would you wag first based on these readings?
 
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Mike
5.8. Yes, -71 each way.  Most 5.8 noise here is P2P, but is low. 
Which one shall I wag Josh?  I'm thinking the higher side, which is 
actually easier to access. If I can tweak without a bucket truck I'll 
save some expense.

Mike

At 12:51 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have tested, the
Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit will say
-95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros card.

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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
I had those antennas sourced from a place in China.  We couldn't get the
mounting to work right in our situation for MikroTik.  I will try to
find the source, but something makes me say Kenbotong?

Regards,
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

The back looks a little different for a Trango but otherwise it looks
identical.  I think Sunstream made the antennas for them a long time
ago,
but now Trango makes their own.  I took a few apart in the last couple
of
years.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jayson Baker
jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 Right.  These aren't/weren't Trango.  We bought just the antenna
itself,
 and
 put MikroTik inside it.

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net
 wrote:

  Rick,
  I think he is asking on just the antennas themselves. I do not
believe
  trango manufactured the antenna element and enclosure. A customer of
ours
  has a closet full of damaged Trango radios that were well out of
 warrantee
  (not at all bashing trango, static and surge happens.). We have
wondered
 if
  we can utilize the antennas/enclosures for MTK type cpe. Has anyone
tried
  that with success?
 
  Mike Goicoechea
  m...@cielosystems.net
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:03 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
 
  That would be a Trango 5800 series unit.
 
 

http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-ac
cess
  /Access5830-System.aspx

http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-ac
cess%0A/Access5830-System.aspx
 
  The better question is it an AP or CPE? The only way to tell is to
log
 into
  it.
  -RickG
 
  On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jayson Baker
jay...@spectrasurf.com
  wrote:
 
   We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan
Wireless
  years
   ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation,
but
  having
   the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look
kinda
 like
   what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who
 makes
   them, or where we could buy a couple more?
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 

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008f
  a82282eczw]
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 

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0092
  4c58a1f4zw]
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 

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  cee1f93ezw]
  
   Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman
If it's -71 both ways my guess is they're right on.  6db loss is kind of
curious though.  Does it fluctuate at all?

What kind of antennas?

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 5.8. Yes, -71 each way.  Most 5.8 noise here is P2P, but is low.
 Which one shall I wag Josh?  I'm thinking the higher side, which is
 actually easier to access. If I can tweak without a bucket truck I'll
 save some expense.

 Mike

 At 12:51 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
 Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have tested,
 the
 Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit will say
 -95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros card.
 
 Is this 2.4 or 5.8?  Are you seeing -71 both ways?





 
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
If that's the case, I would go ahead and do that one first.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New link help

5.8. Yes, -71 each way.  Most 5.8 noise here is P2P, but is low. 
Which one shall I wag Josh?  I'm thinking the higher side, which is 
actually easier to access. If I can tweak without a bucket truck I'll 
save some expense.

Mike

At 12:51 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have tested,
the
Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit will
say
-95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros
card.

Is this 2.4 or 5.8?  Are you seeing -71 both ways?






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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
-71 on a 10 Mile link is kind of high for say R52H/23dB antenna...What
type of radios are you using?

We have one 13 miles that is sitting at -57 with R52N/23dB antennas.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New link help

If it's -71 both ways my guess is they're right on.  6db loss is kind of
curious though.  Does it fluctuate at all?

What kind of antennas?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 5.8. Yes, -71 each way.  Most 5.8 noise here is P2P, but is low.
 Which one shall I wag Josh?  I'm thinking the higher side, which is
 actually easier to access. If I can tweak without a bucket truck I'll
 save some expense.

 Mike

 At 12:51 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
 Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have
tested,
 the
 Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit
will say
 -95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros
card.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Eric Rogers
Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

 We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
 Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
 the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
 was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.

 Sorry this isn't much help.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

  http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
  Behalf Of Eric Rogers
  Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
 
  Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
 
 
  Eric Rogers
 
  Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 
  (317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
 
 




  
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Eric Rogers
But it is exactly what I am looking for... SEC-2V-5H-90 Bummer...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

 We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
 Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
 the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
 was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.

 Sorry this isn't much help.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

  http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
 
  -Original Message-
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On
  Behalf Of Eric Rogers
  Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
 
  Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
 
 
  Eric Rogers
 
  Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 
  (317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
 
 




  
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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread Kevin Neal
Trango began life as Sunstream, they changed names way back.

-Kevin


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 The back looks a little different for a Trango but otherwise it looks
 identical.  I think Sunstream made the antennas for them a long time ago,
 but now Trango makes their own.  I took a few apart in the last couple of
 years.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 Right.  These aren't/weren't Trango.  We bought just the antenna itself,
 and
 put MikroTik inside it.

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net
 wrote:

  Rick,
  I think he is asking on just the antennas themselves. I do not believe
  trango manufactured the antenna element and enclosure. A customer of ours
  has a closet full of damaged Trango radios that were well out of
 warrantee
  (not at all bashing trango, static and surge happens.). We have wondered
 if
  we can utilize the antennas/enclosures for MTK type cpe. Has anyone tried
  that with success?
 
  Mike Goicoechea
  m...@cielosystems.net
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:03 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
 
  That would be a Trango 5800 series unit.
 
 
 http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access
  /Access5830-System.aspx
 http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access%0A/Access5830-System.aspx
 
  The better question is it an AP or CPE? The only way to tell is to log
 into
  it.
  -RickG
 
  On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  wrote:
 
   We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless
  years
   ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
  having
   the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda
 like
   what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who
 makes
   them, or where we could buy a couple more?
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 
 ?ui=2view=attth=124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008f
  a82282eczw]
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 
 ?ui=2view=attth=124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0092
  4c58a1f4zw]
  
   [image:
  
  
 
 
 ?ui=2view=attth=124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094
  cee1f93ezw]
  
   Thanks!
   Jayson
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

2009-11-04 Thread Brad Belton
While we've never used this particular RadioWaves antenna I do know you get
what you pay for.  I would imagine street price for this antenna would be
between $900 - $1000.  Considering what some towers charge per antenna the
ROI for this antenna could be pretty quick!

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

But it is exactly what I am looking for... SEC-2V-5H-90 Bummer...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

 We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
 Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
 the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
 was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.

 Sorry this isn't much help.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

 Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
wrote:

  http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
  Behalf Of Eric Rogers
  Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
 
  Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
 
 
 
  Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
 
 
  Eric Rogers
 
  Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 
  (317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
 
 




  
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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

2009-11-04 Thread Gino Villarini
Iirc

Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure

Similar to trango but not an exact copy

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com  
wrote:

 We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan  
 Wireless years
 ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but  
 having
 the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda  
 like
 what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who  
 makes
 them, or where we could buy a couple more?

 [image:
 ? 
 ui= 
 2v 
 iew= 
 att 
 th= 
 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw]

 [image:
 ? 
 ui= 
 2v 
 iew= 
 att 
 th= 
 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw]

 [image:
 ? 
 ui= 
 2v 
 iew= 
 att 
 th= 
 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw]

 Thanks!
 Jayson
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Re: [WISPA] New link help

2009-11-04 Thread Mike
10.6 miles.  23dBi antennas at both ends.  Low power radio. 17 dB or 
lower.  I know one end is out; has to be.  I just thought the numbers 
might be obvious to someone.

Mike


At 01:29 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
-71 on a 10 Mile link is kind of high for say R52H/23dB antenna...What
type of radios are you using?

We have one 13 miles that is sitting at -57 with R52N/23dB antennas.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New link help

If it's -71 both ways my guess is they're right on.  6db loss is kind of
curious though.  Does it fluctuate at all?

What kind of antennas?

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

  5.8. Yes, -71 each way.  Most 5.8 noise here is P2P, but is low.
  Which one shall I wag Josh?  I'm thinking the higher side, which is
  actually easier to access. If I can tweak without a bucket truck I'll
  save some expense.
 
  Mike
 
  At 12:51 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote:
  Ignore noise floor/CCQ on Atheros cards.  In every place I have
tested,
  the
  Atheros card will say -105 to -95 noise floor but the Canopy unit
will say
  -95 to -83.  Never seen a higher noise floor then -95 on an Atheros
card.
  
  Is this 2.4 or 5.8?  Are you seeing -71 both ways?
 
 
 
 
 
 


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[WISPA] Frustrating connectivity issues.

2009-11-04 Thread Mark McElvy
Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
more data and another customer seeing the same thing.

 

1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.

2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
won't get responses for a while.

3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.

4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
displayed.

5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
functional.

6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
attempts to connect but once connected it works great.

 

Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT AP/RB532/XR-2/120
16db HPol.

 

 

 

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.



 




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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

2009-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman
The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional.

Are you sure it's functional?  I expect it probably isn't usable while the
pings stop just like browsing isn't capable.

What are you pinging from/to?

Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a Mikrotik
AP?  Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC?  Is the
wireless registration staying up according to the AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
 but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
 more data and another customer seeing the same thing.



 1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.

 2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
 won't get responses for a while.

 3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.

 4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
 displayed.

 5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
 functional.

 6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
 attempts to connect but once connected it works great.



 Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
 same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT AP/RB532/XR-2/120
 16db HPol.







 Mark McElvy
 AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.





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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

2009-11-04 Thread Mark McElvy
Yes the RDP session is functioning because I am using to monitor the AP.
The radio is staying associated and the PPPoE session as well.
I am pinging the wireless interface of the AP. I am running the 4.05
software on the CPE's. I don't see the ping drops while pinging the CPE
from the office. 

Mark McElvy
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional.

Are you sure it's functional?  I expect it probably isn't usable while
the
pings stop just like browsing isn't capable.

What are you pinging from/to?

Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a
Mikrotik
AP?  Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC?  Is
the
wireless registration staying up according to the AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
 but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
 more data and another customer seeing the same thing.



 1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.

 2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
 won't get responses for a while.

 3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.

 4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
 displayed.

 5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
 functional.

 6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
 attempts to connect but once connected it works great.



 Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
 same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT
AP/RB532/XR-2/120
 16db HPol.







 Mark McElvy
 AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.





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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

2009-11-04 Thread Jason Hensley
Sounds like symptoms of an ip address conflict possibly.


Sent from Windows mobile device...

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional.

Are you sure it's functional?  I expect it probably isn't usable while the
pings stop just like browsing isn't capable.

What are you pinging from/to?

Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a Mikrotik
AP?  Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC?  Is the
wireless registration staying up according to the AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
 but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
 more data and another customer seeing the same thing.



 1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.

 2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
 won't get responses for a while.

 3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.

 4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
 displayed.

 5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
 functional.

 6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
 attempts to connect but once connected it works great.



 Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
 same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT AP/RB532/XR-2/120
 16db HPol.







 Mark McElvy
 AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.





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