[WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tranzeo CPE 200 want to find a home for
Is there anyone out there interested in working or non-working units - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tranzeo CPE 200 want to find a home for
I give these away to my competitor. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tranzeo CPE 200 want to find a home for Is there anyone out there interested in working or non-working units - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
Marlon do you have a list or single access to all these little articles you have written. Or do you just hand them out when you find it helpful. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
And I always suffer from gain envy. Must be why I've always used grids. Thanks for the info, I only have a few panels but they are 900mhz, thinking about trying some Arc panels though for 5 and 2.4 to see how they do. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/ Marlon, one of the reasons I got into this business I curse him every day. :) ryan On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Marlon do you have a list or single access to all these little articles you have written. Or do you just hand them out when you find it helpful. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
I have been using Arc 19db panels instead of grids recently. I will be moving that way more. Only disadvantage I see is with the grids we mount the radio at the bottom of the TV tower for easy maintenance. With the panels we are using the integrated enclosure, which is really nice, but the radio ends up 30+ in the air making service a little more difficult. Robert West wrote: And I always suffer from gain envy. Must be why I've always used grids. Thanks for the info, I only have a few panels but they are 900mhz, thinking about trying some Arc panels though for 5 and 2.4 to see how they do. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Sure they do! 1X Mimo! LOL! I never understood how you can have 1 of multiple... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
$200 is about my CPE cost limit. I can get an RB411, 24 dBi RooTenna, MT 5 GHz radio, and all supporting equipment for that. UBNT seems to have a better MIMO\non-802.11 setup than MT, so that's what I'm planning on going forward... once they come out with a PowerStation M, that is. No Nanos for me, and a Rocket + Dish is a bit much for a res CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Man, If they come out with a PowerStation5 M and it's under 200 bucks, I'm there in a heartbeat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? $200 is about my CPE cost limit. I can get an RB411, 24 dBi RooTenna, MT 5 GHz radio, and all supporting equipment for that. UBNT seems to have a better MIMO\non-802.11 setup than MT, so that's what I'm planning on going forward... once they come out with a PowerStation M, that is. No Nanos for me, and a Rocket + Dish is a bit much for a res CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Bullet as the CPE when the CPEs are out of stock? Is the only trade off of using another pmanufacturers product during those shortage periods just that you pay $30-$50 more diring that period? There is also a flip side... When CPEs are costing $100 instead of $500, you can plan to buy 5x more stock on the same cash flow budget to hold you over through stock shortages. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Just cost, less assembly and config Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Bullet as the CPE when the CPEs are out of stock? Is the only trade off of using another pmanufacturers product during those shortage periods just that you pay $30-$50 more diring that period? There is also a flip side... When CPEs are costing $100 instead of $500, you can plan to buy 5x more stock on the same cash flow budget to hold you over through stock shortages. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] REDBOX
Maybe NCR may want to talk... From CEA SmartBrief today: NCR will convert newly bought DVDPlay kiosks into its licensed Blockbuster Express brand name as it continues to challenge Redbox in the quest for movie lovers' loyalty. While the move isn't huge, as Redbox has 20,000 kiosks while NCR has just 3,800 in the U.S., it could prove to be a significant advantage in certain markets such as California. The Wall Street Journal (12/10) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Hi Forbes...what freq is the 5g radio on? What freq is the FM station on? There might be a harmonic of the FM station up there on 5g. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 05:06:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
Make sure you have the latest firmware on it, also verify your Ethernet negotiated properly. Regards Michael Baird Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
Yes, but he's accessing it via a backhaul which should take the wireless bits out of this equation, since he can ping the other AP's served by the same backhauls fine. Regards Michael Baird On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Hi Forbes...what freq is the 5g radio on? What freq is the FM station on? There might be a harmonic of the FM station up there on 5g. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 05:06:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
I've used lots of MT 411's and enclosure and grid for the CPE and they work fine but with the Airmax I'm trying to use what I think I will use more of in the future. If I go to an Airmax AP then only a CPE with Airmax can connect. I'd gladly buy much more equipment for shortages but I've been expanding coverage and that's taken quite a bit of the on hand cash. Then why expand? I grab the opportunity if someone walks in and offers a free spot to put an AP, I take it! Been happening quite a lot lately. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Bullet as the CPE when the CPEs are out of stock? Is the only trade off of using another pmanufacturers product during those shortage periods just that you pay $30-$50 more diring that period? There is also a flip side... When CPEs are costing $100 instead of $500, you can plan to buy 5x more stock on the same cash flow budget to hold you over through stock shortages. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database:
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll continue to order more than we have immediate need for. I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations, the pattern is just not defined enough and the pick up lots of interference in all but the most rural of applications. I think MT behaves better for 802.11 in interference situations. I think the rocket 5m stuff is super nice though. We've only used it with dishes, and it rocks at that as long as you tweek the distance setting, have the right firmware, etc... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Robert West wrote: I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
I was thinking earlier today to try using a Rocket5M instead of a Bullet, use a SMA to N pigtail and see how that works out for us, just using one side of the Mimo. I'd hate to get too many Bullets as substitutes and then want to use the full MIMO later down the road. I have enough of the older bullets sitting in the bucket doing nothing as it is. The Rockets come with the PoE power supply already and they have the reset on the injector. Might be a better way to go at least for us, the Rockets we can certainly use later on a sector or a Rocket Dish and they are in stock at some distributors right now. I think I'll play with that later tonight. I'm hoping they can be used with only one antenna.. Does anyone know? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll continue to order more than we have immediate need for. I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations, the pattern is just not defined enough and the pick up lots of interference in all but the most rural of applications. I think MT behaves better for 802.11 in interference situations. I think the rocket 5m stuff is super nice though. We've only used it with dishes, and it rocks at that as long as you tweek the distance setting, have the right firmware, etc... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Robert West wrote: I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Jp said, I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations Yeah, I was talking to a distributor this morning about how everyone now has scads of NS2's and they aren't moving. Everyone wants the new versions. Last year this time we would have been falling all over ourselves for what they have now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll continue to order more than we have immediate need for. I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations, the pattern is just not defined enough and the pick up lots of interference in all but the most rural of applications. I think MT behaves better for 802.11 in interference situations. I think the rocket 5m stuff is super nice though. We've only used it with dishes, and it rocks at that as long as you tweek the distance setting, have the right firmware, etc... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Robert West wrote: I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting
[WISPA] Kabel-x ??
I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/ Look under articles. Most of them are there. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? Marlon do you have a list or single access to all these little articles you have written. Or do you just hand them out when you find it helpful. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern goes. I like panels better because they tend to be even better yet. You can't get too big with a yagi. For lots of gain you need a grid or dish. When Mike says grids leak he's talking about the RF not water (though that can happen too). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid? It's harder to get as much gain out of a Yagi as you can out of a parabolic antenna. Both a grid and Yagi can suffer from ice loading. A Yagi can be encased in a radome to eliminate that hazard. Most grids I've seen leak horribly. That is, they tend to spew RF out the back because of the grid spacing. They still have the forward gain, but spew to the rear. When world hams were preparing for the launch of P3D, a lot of experiments were going on in 2.4G because one of the transponders used that band. The front to back ratio issues were solved by covering the grid with a finer mesh. A Yagi, compared to the grid has a better front to back ratio, but has more pronounced side lobes and other minor lobes. I know you were asking about comparisons between a Yagi and a Grid. 2.4G, it depends on what you are doing. 5.8G, a solid dish with a radome wins every time; font to back ratio, side lobes, and the radome seals from ice, snow, hornets and decreases the wind load because of the Bernoulli effect. mg At 09:18 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a CPE install? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day.....
Tinkering today. I have a PowerStation2 with the panel but the board was popped due to surge, (my fault, didn't like the 48v power supply I plugged into it). Was gonna replace the board with a LightStation, never did... But if I put a 411ah in it with a R2N and used pigtails to convert the MMCX on the antenna to the U.FL (I have those pigtails already, I use them on all the MT cards and hot glue the little SOB's on!) would the R2N be cool with using both polarities of the PowerStation panel at the same time in Mimo mode? I'm gonna try is anyhow, just didn't know how that panel antenna would react with that. I'm not an antenna guy Obviously. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon Or spliced and repaired underground... Matt http://www.kabel-x.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
Your Garmin MapSource software should be able to export to Google Earth and KML/KMZ format. Then from Google Earth, you can save and email a KML/KMZ file to others and then they can view in Google Earth and export to various trail GPS's that support working with Google Earth KML/KMZ files. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
From attending an OpenStreetMap lecture, I recommend GPS Babel. http://www.gpsbabel.org/ Going to Google Earth (KML/KMZ) is a good idea. -Izzy Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
I thought so too. Saw it on that Stop the Cap website. Buckeye Cablevision in Toledo is trying it out to put fiber to the home. The thing about Buckeye Cable is, (I used to live there years ago and had them) they use a dual cable system, as in 2 runs of coax to the home. They had a A/B switch back in the day. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
But to replace an entire 1000' of underground copper with fiber in 3 hours, that's a heck of a cost savings. Think they would pass that savings along to us??? Huh??? Is the fiber to the home from the cable providers comparable to dedicated fiber or is the a considerable difference? If one of us had fiber to the home, could that be used as dedicated? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon Or spliced and repaired underground... Matt http://www.kabel-x.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day.....
Yes, that will work if it is the DP version of the Powerstation. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day. Tinkering today. I have a PowerStation2 with the panel but the board was popped due to surge, (my fault, didn't like the 48v power supply I plugged into it). Was gonna replace the board with a LightStation, never did... But if I put a 411ah in it with a R2N and used pigtails to convert the MMCX on the antenna to the U.FL (I have those pigtails already, I use them on all the MT cards and hot glue the little SOB's on!) would the R2N be cool with using both polarities of the PowerStation panel at the same time in Mimo mode? I'm gonna try is anyhow, just didn't know how that panel antenna would react with that. I'm not an antenna guy Obviously. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Is that for real? Reminds me of Google hoax internet technology commercial about using the sewer lines. It was a NIC you'd connect to your computer then flush down the toilet. Using dark sewer pipes they provided high speed internet. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Robert West wrote: I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
http://www.google.com/tisp/ On Dec 11, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Fiber to the Toilet On 12/11/09, os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Is that for real? Reminds me of Google hoax internet technology commercial about using the sewer lines. It was a NIC you'd connect to your computer then flush down the toilet. Using dark sewer pipes they provided high speed internet. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Robert West wrote: I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day.....
Yep, it is. May go well then. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day. Yes, that will work if it is the DP version of the Powerstation. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day. Tinkering today. I have a PowerStation2 with the panel but the board was popped due to surge, (my fault, didn't like the 48v power supply I plugged into it). Was gonna replace the board with a LightStation, never did... But if I put a 411ah in it with a R2N and used pigtails to convert the MMCX on the antenna to the U.FL (I have those pigtails already, I use them on all the MT cards and hot glue the little SOB's on!) would the R2N be cool with using both polarities of the PowerStation panel at the same time in Mimo mode? I'm gonna try is anyhow, just didn't know how that panel antenna would react with that. I'm not an antenna guy Obviously. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds wont suffice
http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
You mean the Tisp? Love the Tisp! I tried it but it was all crap. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Is that for real? Reminds me of Google hoax internet technology commercial about using the sewer lines. It was a NIC you'd connect to your computer then flush down the toilet. Using dark sewer pipes they provided high speed internet. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Robert West wrote: I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper to fiber. http://www.kabel-x.com/ Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
A MIMO antenna alone is $100 or more. All I've seen is ArcWireless with dual pol enclosure antenna. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
That's nuts. No wonder there isn't enough cash. HA! I don't think I'm charging enough of an install fee after reading that. Hmm That'll be a $1000.00 install fee please. Gotta be a whole lotta padding in those numbers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
I'd expect something similar to happen with such a large beamwidth\low gain. That's why I won't buy Nanos for CPE. What do I use them for? non-critical, low distance links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? We go through about 30 Nano's a month, inventory is always an issue and while we used to buy from Streakwave (we buy nothing from them now) we found that there is always a vendor with SOME Ubiquity stock you just have to get creative, be patient in knowing you will find one place with inventory to every seven or so you don't. My most recent issue with the Nano's is the amount of splatter it puts out, we have several neighborhoods that have four or more Nano's. That is the areas that we have massive interference and latency, coincidence, I think not. Now we're putting in the M's in hope that will solve the problems but it's costly. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Technically, yes. In accordance with their terms, who knows, doubtful. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? But to replace an entire 1000' of underground copper with fiber in 3 hours, that's a heck of a cost savings. Think they would pass that savings along to us??? Huh??? Is the fiber to the home from the cable providers comparable to dedicated fiber or is the a considerable difference? If one of us had fiber to the home, could that be used as dedicated? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon Or spliced and repaired underground... Matt http://www.kabel-x.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
And that's what I would expect. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Technically, yes. In accordance with their terms, who knows, doubtful. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? But to replace an entire 1000' of underground copper with fiber in 3 hours, that's a heck of a cost savings. Think they would pass that savings along to us??? Huh??? Is the fiber to the home from the cable providers comparable to dedicated fiber or is the a considerable difference? If one of us had fiber to the home, could that be used as dedicated? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ?? Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper. marlon Or spliced and repaired underground... Matt http://www.kabel-x.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?
Word from UBNT, the Rockets can't be used with only 1 chain, as in one antenna single polarity. Can't turn off chain 2 in the firmware and with no load it will adversely affect the Rocket. So, of course I still want to do it but not kill a Rocket. I'm gonna try to see if a dummy load will at least keep me from frying the thing, don't have an SMA load so I'll dig around to make one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? I was thinking earlier today to try using a Rocket5M instead of a Bullet, use a SMA to N pigtail and see how that works out for us, just using one side of the Mimo. I'd hate to get too many Bullets as substitutes and then want to use the full MIMO later down the road. I have enough of the older bullets sitting in the bucket doing nothing as it is. The Rockets come with the PoE power supply already and they have the reset on the injector. Might be a better way to go at least for us, the Rockets we can certainly use later on a sector or a Rocket Dish and they are in stock at some distributors right now. I think I'll play with that later tonight. I'm hoping they can be used with only one antenna.. Does anyone know? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll continue to order more than we have immediate need for. I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations, the pattern is just not defined enough and the pick up lots of interference in all but the most rural of applications. I think MT behaves better for 802.11 in interference situations. I think the rocket 5m stuff is super nice though. We've only used it with dishes, and it rocks at that as long as you tweek the distance setting, have the right firmware, etc... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Robert West wrote: I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred. I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots of my stress will be gone. We're in business to add and keep customers but it's hard to add when we can't put in a CPE and with all the substitutions I've put in it gets to be a hassle. People won't wait for an install. It's now or they go elsewhere. You know how it is, hate leaving money on the table. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no mimo unfortunately. Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it be in stock more often then out of stock. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Robert West wrote: I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear, first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock? Just need two. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
I'm sure the $1,500 per customer figure was total cost for everything (bandwidth, backhaul, switches, routers, etc.). It seems like a lot, until you start adding up everything we need to get service to that customer... AP's, backhaul, towers, routers, switches, UPS's, etc. Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: I found these stats interesting: "the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million half of the households in the United States." Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... "Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion." I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those "Wisps by Convenience" get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx "The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research." Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google mapping file formats seem to have become a defacto standard that most of the software packages support and can import and export. Converting to kmz will also allow the data to be shown easily in Goggle Earth and with a little programming can also be displayed in the Google Maps API on a web site. Nice thing about the Google Maps API is being able to display street maps, aerial images as well as terrain relief. There are plenty of ways to skin this cat and I am sure others with suggest their favorite tools of the trade. Whichever you chose just realize that you should do whatever supports the most brands of GPS's possible. Thank You, Brian Webster On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help! ryan On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
