Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[RickG]

Especially transformers!

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:
> Oh yeah.  They can cause a LOT of speed issues.  Sometimes they'll cut
> signal too.  I try to stay as far away from them as I can.
>
> It's not as big of a problem with low customer density per ap or low noise
> levels.  Today it matters.  Sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, usually
> it's noticeable though.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
>
>
>>  Power lines cause you problems?
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power
>>> lines.
>>>
>>> Higher is not always better.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jim Patient"
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'"
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
>>>
>>>
   I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
 "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
 Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
 the trees...

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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[RickG]

Same here. Do what you gotta do sometimes. I had one installer aim it
right into a tree that was only 10 feet away though. Really ticked me
off.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:
> I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines.
>
> Higher is not always better.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Patient" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
>
>
>>  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
>> the trees...
>>
>> http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

As far as climbing, most of the silos have a light-weight ladder
compared to water tanks. Also, no high place to tie off at the top.
Same precautions only more so.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>>
>> Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
>> > been
>> > on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection
>> > cage
>> > being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off.
>> > Just be
>> > careful climbing those things!
>> >
>> > Kurt Fankhauser
>> > WAVELINC
>> > P.O. Box 126
>> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> > 419-562-6405
>> > www.wavelinc.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>> >
>> > I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
>> > concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
>> > above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
>> > the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
>> > also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
>> > This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
>> > past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
>> > than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
>> > also increase the covereage area.
>> > So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
>> > the dome?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
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>> Sr. Systems Engineer
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

LOL! I've got a few silos and the ones without the top cap are much
nicer to work on. Darn things get in the way.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Top cap???  Yours still HAVE the top cap?!!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old concrete
> silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the
> ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has also
> worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past.
> I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10'
> mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the
> covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the
> dome?
>
> --
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> Sr. Systems Engineer
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

I thought the same thing. Now that would be cool if designed right!

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Wasn't there someone here who had a one hell of a design for a silo hoop
> bracket?  It's been awhile but that was one heck of a setup.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old concrete
> silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the
> ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has also
> worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past.
> I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10'
> mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the
> covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the
> dome?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x2241
> 1-260-827-2241
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

Ya, I did that on some of my hard to climb locations. What a dream
compared to the nightmare they were!

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:
> One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights)
> is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play
> for the radios.
>
> LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish
> feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system
> you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.)
> anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but
> someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Justin Wilson
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>    Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
> top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
> never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
> are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
> another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
> otherwords, you can’t mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
> with a solution to get you over the dome.
>
> Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
> maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
> each time because you can’t climb to the top of the dome.
>
> Justin
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net/blog
> Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
>
>
> 
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>
> Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
>> been
>> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
>> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
>> be
>> careful climbing those things!
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>>
>> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
>> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
>> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
>> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
>> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
>> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
>> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
>> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
>> also increase the covereage area.
>> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
>> the dome?
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Sr. Systems Engineer
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

Yup, stainless steel hose clamps have been a winner for me too.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Bill Gaylord  wrote:
> We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the
> hardware store.  I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4
> of the steel rings.  I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was
> concerned with the screws being able to come loose.  With hose clamps
> around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose.  We have been doing
> this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break.
> Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue.
>
> Bill Gaylord, President
> COLI Inc.
>
> On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> 16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L
>> brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete
>> anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
>> remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I
>> get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in
>> 20' sections usually.
>>
>> Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>>
>> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
>> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
>> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
>> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
>> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
>> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
>> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
>> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also
>> increase the covereage area.
>> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
>> the dome?
>>
>> --
>> Scott Reed
>> Sr. Systems Engineer
>> GAB Midwest
>> 1-800-363-1544 x2241
>> 1-260-827-2241
>> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[RickG]

To make up for the weakness, I just use a 45' push up pipe and just
make sure not to extend it more than halfway which gives me about 20+
feet.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> 16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L
> brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete
> anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
> remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I
> get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in
> 20' sections usually.
>
> Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also
> increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
> --
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Re: [WISPA] Small form factor POE switches

[RickG]

Not really a switch but this unit has been through the mill and keeps
on ticking --> 
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-18I4S/4-Port-POE-Power-SupplyInserter-18VDC-output.html
They have 24 volt and 802.3AF versions as well.
If it needs to be a switch, I have one of these -->
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5-NC&eq=&Tp=
but I have not put it into production yet. It does not feel as "heavy
duty" as the  Laird unit.
-RickG

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    Anyone have recommendations for a POE switch with 4-8 ports?  Preferably
> something which can handle semi-extreme weather.
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Re: [WISPA] SolecTek SkyWay Excel Series 5.8Ghz 2x2 MIMO 100mbit linkfor sale

[Chuck Hogg]

I also have one, not to hijack the thread, but it is for sale for the
right price.  I'm not looking for much.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
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Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:35 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] SolecTek SkyWay Excel Series 5.8Ghz 2x2 MIMO 100mbit
linkfor sale

I have a brand new in box link connectorized version for sale if you are
interested hit me off list with an offer. I'll cover the shipping within
the US.



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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Robert West]

I fired that S.O.B.

Bob-



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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

I was wondering when the Friday Funnies were going to start!

On 7/16/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Patient wrote:
>I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get 
> through the trees...
>
> http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg
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Re: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

[Robert West]

Correction...  throw all your lighting damaged equipment into it and
file a claim.

Yeah, baby!

Always looking for the scam against the man.

Bob-



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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

Yeah but one less thing to worry about while you're gone and it didn't hurt
your equipment, sweet!  See you in St. Louie.

Forbes


On 7/16/2010 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Sheesh, I leave town and all of the big stuff happens!
>
> 3000 acres up in smoke in one afternoon!  wowsers
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Re: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

[Robert West]

But it's okay cause Papa Murphy's has a pizza to suit ya.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:55 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

Sheesh, I leave town and all of the big stuff happens!

3000 acres up in smoke in one afternoon!  wowsers

http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailT
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Robert West]

Water  Grain.  Two difference substances.  Pay attention.

 

J

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Robert West]

Top cap???  Yours still HAVE the top cap?!!



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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:24 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been
on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be
careful climbing those things!

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old concrete
silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the
ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has also
worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past.
I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10'
mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the
covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the
dome?

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Robert West]

Wasn't there someone here who had a one hell of a design for a silo hoop
bracket?  It's been awhile but that was one heck of a setup.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old concrete
silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the
ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has also
worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past.
I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10'
mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the
covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the
dome?

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239




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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Spectrum bridge is talking about the Claudville Va. whitespaces test/demo 
network
Did about a meg and a half over 3 miles 
Showing a propagation map of 200mhz vs. 2400mhz, the coverage is 
amazing!
Another test city, Wilmington, NC  Did smart city services/data 
collection
Someone would have to collect data from someone taking a boat to gather 
data from sensors, now it's done via wireless whitespace spectrum
now doing one in Plumas County Ca.  Smart grid and broadband for small 
rural electric coop
Learned about bandwidth limitations
174mhz to 700mhz is too wide for current radios to cover via one radio, 
how that's split up will be interesting to see moving forward
Huge demand in rural broadband market
Out of band emissions requirements are hard to deal with
WiFi vs. White space, WiFi in the home, whitespaces for middle/final 
mile
Going to be working on more device to device connectivity

Jim Qualie, PCC communications
Rural communities are demanding bandwidth almost as much as urban
Started in 2004 as a WISP
Making products but I can't tell what
Also sells service?
WISPs can't offer high reliability via 2.4 and 5 gig
In Canada there is a chunk of spectrum (not 3650, sub gig 512 to 698) 
that's licensed lite
Strict out of band requirement
75% of Canadians live within 160km of the US boarder
His spectrum has a 121km dead zone at boarder
DTV is hpol 
Larger cells require fewer towers but require longer travel times to 
those customers

I have to head to the airport.  Sorry I can't report on what else is talked 
about.  The meeting is 30 minutes past closing time 2 speakers left.

laters,
marlon


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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop


> Hi All,
>
> I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know
> what's going on.
>
> This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee.
>
> I'll add to this note as I can.
>
> If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass
> them along.
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Gerald Chouinard:
802.22 is an outdoor standard specifically for whitespaces
Range of 10 to 30 km
Set for very long echoes and multipath 
23mhz throughput in 6mhz channel out to 10 miles, slower at longer 
ranges
Interference range of wifi device (we will have them in whitespaces too) 
is larger than the detection range
Must detect on the main operating channel and the backup channel so that 
when you move channels you don't move to an in use channel
802.22 cells (ap's) talk to each other so that they all know what 
channels are in use near by
If channels are already in use must use TDMA to get around that
Split's a frame.  10ms frames, 16 frames equals a super frame, a super 
frame is 160ms
Distance to cpe detected by time between devices
Create spectrum manager, device would know about interference and 
collocation issues of multiple ap's
Spectrum management mechanism included

Mark Gibson:
Tools for managing spectrum
Ultimately analysis may be performed in the device
Database will provide data only to the device
iQ link XG, fixed network planning tool
Looks a lot like radio mobile charts
Fancy link budget calculator that also does path profiles etc.  Made for 
high availability protected microwave systems
Can do space diversity optimization, interference analysis and a TON of 
other stuff  
It'll automatically create channel plans
iQ clear XG
Next gen spectrum sharing program

Didn't get the name, SSC
Cognitive radio senses, detects and adapts to available spectrum 

Ultra-sensitive detector
Programs within the radio to tell the system when, how and where to 
switch channels
The devices just take care of their own needs  
How it does this is based upon a set of rules, some via the database 
others user defined

Mike Merry (sp?), Amerisys
Canadian WISP
Also on the 802.22 working group
Has many ap's on some mountains in confined areas
He does defensive collocation systems
Familiar with self inflicted interference issues
Built upon DNS mechanisms
The software can run in an AP, at the not etc.  Called Coexistance 
servers
Can handle info about where radios are without releasing that data to a 
database manager outside the company
Runs as a service on the internet
Accounts for terrain
Also allows you to count trees in the path
Can run on any linux platform
Is able to emulate a human so can work with any current devices

marlon

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: 
Cc: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop


> Hi All,
>
> I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know
> what's going on.
>
> This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee.
>
> I'll add to this note as I can.
>
> If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass
> them along.
> marlon
>
> ___
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?

[Jeremy Parr]

On 16 July 2010 12:23, Rogelio  wrote:

> Since others here sometimes deal with CCTV as a wireless application,
> I was hoping for some insight on the best *simple* (no frills, really)
> raw storage solution for 100 - 500 TBs.
>
> Right now, I've been looking at Hitachi, EMC, and Compellent (all
> fairly expensive). I also started looking at Dell's Equallogic line
> (looks very simple and straight forward). Others I've heard good
> things about include Pillar but haven't looked at their pricing yet.
>
> Any good tips you have would be greatly appreciated.
>

Dell has a product line below the Equalogic line that does pretty much
anything you can ask for, aside from thin provisioning and native
replication. Check out the MD3000i. There is also the Promise product line
that is priced very competitively. They don't all support multipathing, but
may do the job for CCTV stuff.



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Panel A (second panel, go figure)

Jack Unger, WISPA
Introducing WISPA.
Need interference minimization mechanisms.
Risks of sensing as it's designed.
Channel changes are not easy across broad spectrum distances (60mhz to 
600mhz will have greatly different propagation).
Talked about us disliking the Fibertower/sprint ptp spectrum grab.
Suggested mining the Geolocation database.

Joe Hamilla  Spectrum Bridge
Looking for ways to build database functionality etc.
Will work with the FCC and manufacturers for certification of devices.
They see new opportunities in the Whitespaces space.
Helping companies be more efficient with licensed or unlicensed 
spectrum.  They help companies pick what spectrum to use.
Thinks enterprise customers are the biggest market.  Especially 
utilities in smart-grid upgrades etc.  SCADA etc.  Also less price 
conscience.
Outside of the top 20 cities there is quite a bit of spectrum available 
at this time.
Tier 3 will have a lot of spectrum available.
Lot of talk about Cisco, GE etc.  Bigger enterprise users.  NOT WISP 
centric.  It's there but in the background.
Also talking about software license keys for the radios.
Benefits and drawbacks of the product.  Good penetration, is 6 mbps 
enough?
Will this gear follow similar growth paths as WiFi?
Long term possibility of multi-frequency radios.  Both Licensed and 
unlicensed on the same device.

Jung Yee,  WiLAN
Diverse applications.
Environment monitoring
Public safety
"External fiber" 
Thinks the most money is for indoor whitespace devices.
Likes the 802.11af standard
Also likes 802.22, more advanced anti interference mechanisms 
If you want to sell product you have to sell where the customers are, 
that means the big cities.
They want to develop new RF mechanisms, the old protocols should be good 
for them.
j...@wilan.com

Ed Melick, Shared Spectrum Technology
Ad for his company, at least he stated it right off the bat!
Cognitive radio and spectrum management experts
They developed sensing mechanisms that allow opportunistic use of open 
spectrum across a wide range of spectrum.
Do a lot of software and product development
Working on interference resistance mechanisms

Kiran Challapali, Philips
Applications for whitespaces devices.
Submitted a prototype for testing of whitespaces.  One of two original 
companies.
They like HD streaming.
20meg HD stream inside 6mhz channel around the home.
Also looking at community internet access mechanisms (specifically 
mentions WISPs)
Good for long range high reliability
Not good for high bandwidth or small form factors
The like the personal portable device rules.
High mobility networks, peer to peer etc. mechanisms.
There will probably be multiple standards for Whitespaces (802.22, 
802.11af etc.)
Spectrum efficiency is very important
Supports ECMA-392 standard 
(http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-392.htm)
Several regulatory and industry challenges
Will people look at this as "just another channel"?
It allows for new functionality and shouldn't be just like existing 
spectrum
It's important to quickly gain market share with the devices
Networks must be able to coexist
He thinks that the backhaul systems are a good place to start with 
coexistence sharing etc.
Devices should not have mandatory coexistence, let the market decide if 
that's important and how to do it

Now it's open question time.
marlon


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From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: 
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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop


> Hi All,
>
> I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know
> what's going on.
>
> This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee.
>
> I'll add to this note as I can.
>
> If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass
> them along.
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango GigaPlus Experience?

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If it's anything like the original Giga, I'd pass.



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

ieee 802 has about 1500 members in 12 different working groups.

Technical issues voted on within the groups need 75% approval to pass.

This is the 802.19 wireless coexistance working group.

Ug, he talks way faster than I can type!

This effort has been in process since March of 2009.

Right about now people are supposed to be submitting ideas for coexistance.

This effort is mainly aimed (only aimed?) at TV Whitespaces.

They hope that this standard creates a mechanism that allows for coexistance 
both with other 802 devices but also non-802 devices.

It looks like the idea is for devices to communicate with each other and 
share information about how they are programmed and what the environment 
looks like.


Outside devices will also communicate with the devices, other devices, 
database or us as operators.  They will work as a "team" to help maximize 
coexistance.

Contact tuncerbay...@nitc.go.jp if you want to be a part of this effort.  It 
looks like they really want input from the community.

Joe Kwak is next.  Consultant for InterDigital Communications.

Coexistance is:  It means that more than one network exists in the same time 
and place.  That can be a good thing (efficient, no interference) or bad 
(interference etc.).

Why is it needed?  It's needed for consumers, FCC etc. to help allocated 
usage.  There is a sweet spot for whitespaces in small cities and towns, 
some channels available but not a ton so coexistance is most important.  In 
cities there won't be many available channels, might not be much that can be 
done.  In very rural areas there are a lot of channels and few users so 
there should be plenty of channels available.

Air Traffic control Paradigm:  Whitespace spectrum is expected to be 
crowded.  A "traffic control" type system is needed.

System design:  permits discovery, registration and use of the system.
Facilitates communications for collaboration etc.
Collects environmental data.
Shares that information
Identify coexistance problems and provide solutions.

Who would pay for a mechanism like this?  Especially if it's done via an 
outside database.

A coexistence mechanism would likely have to be voluntary in nature.  The 
only way to mandate something would be to regulate it.  He lists several 
examples of why it would be beneficial.  Things like data availability about 
near by systems that don't have an effect yet but could in the future etc.

LONG example of an air traffic control example of how a central mechanism 
would be used to help keep systems from running into each other.

Service examples:  Examples of how to combine sensing and data base data 
would be more efficient and reliable that either on it's own.

Any advice by the system is only as good as the data it has access to.

The TVWS Database manager may gather info from the field and allow other 
users in the field to use that data in coexistance efforts.  They will 
already know what channels are available etc.  He'll have geographic info 
available.  Add some GIS database's and he can tell us a lot about our 
environment.  

Could also use DNS servers, AAA servers, google search engines etc. could 
also be used.  Or put it into the AP's themselves.

Spectrum congestion outside of rural areas is likely and coexistance 
mechanisms should help.

Rich Kennedy talking on the actual regulatory rules.  (IEEE P802.11af 
(wireless lan in TV Whitespaces group)) 

You'll have to download the ppt's from ieee802.org/19 or wheverever they put 
them.  Too many numbers with too many FCC parts.  15.247, 15.700 etc.
He's mostly covering FCC part 15.700.  That covers the database etc. issues 
related to whitespaces.

Rich is saying that many wireless mics are going to become part 15 devices.

Now it's Mark Gibson from Commsearch.  He's going to talk about issues 
related to the database.  His job is business development.

There are 9 different approaches to the database out there at this time.

There are a LOT of people talking to the FCC.  150 exparte's in the last 
year, 4 just this week.  That's what people file when the physically go to 
the FCC to talk to them.

Wireless mics may move from part 15 to something else (possibly lower).  The 
only ones that have a "license" are part 74 or similar broadcasters. 
Basically the broadcasters and cable tv outfits.

There is some push to set some spectrum for broadcast, pulling some license 
free spectrum off line, especially in urban areas.

He's got a cool map that shows how much spectrum is expected to be available 
in areas around the country.

The devices may be able to handle coexistance decisions it's self.  They 
(commsearch) thinks that the device will be the smart part, the database 
administrator will just be the database manager.

Security should be a shared secret or something similar.  Anything more 
complicated will add a lot of cost.

Database managers may help with channel optimization, frequency planning, 
other bands etc.

Repurposing of the

Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Oh yeah.  They can cause a LOT of speed issues.  Sometimes they'll cut 
signal too.  I try to stay as far away from them as I can.

It's not as big of a problem with low customer density per ap or low noise 
levels.  Today it matters.  Sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, usually 
it's noticeable though.
marlon

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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh


>  Power lines cause you problems?
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> On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power 
>> lines.
>>
>> Higher is not always better.
>> marlon
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jim Patient"
>> To: "'WISPA General List'"
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
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>>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Mike Hammett]

  hah, true

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On 7/16/2010 1:21 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof
> but not for her front porch.
>
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> On 7/16/2010 2:17 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>> What's wrong with that ?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Jim Patient
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List
>> Date:  Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:17 -0500
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>>>I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
>>> the trees...
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Mike Hammett]

  Power lines cause you problems?

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On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines.
>
> Higher is not always better.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Patient"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
>
>
>>   I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
>> the trees...
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>> http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

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  I have some that aren't far from that, but they're not that blatant.  
I try to hide them as much as I can, more so in the unconventional 
installs.  It is to get under the trees.

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On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines.
>
> Higher is not always better.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Patient"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
>
>
>>   I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
>> the trees...
>>
>> http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

You can join a mailing list at ieee802.org/19/pub/subscribe.html

There are frequent conference calls:
ieee802.org/19/pug/calls.html

Face to face meetings.  Next one is in Sept., Hawaii after that in Dec. in 
Dallas.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: 
Cc: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA Members] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop


> Hi All,
>
> I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know
> what's going on.
>
> This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee.
>
> I'll add to this note as I can.
>
> If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass
> them along.
> marlon
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[WISPA] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hi All,

I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know 
what's going on.

This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee.

I'll add to this note as I can.

If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass 
them along.
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Stuart Pierce]

Heavens to maggetroid, exit stage left.

-- Original Message --
From: Adam Kennedy 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:20:44 -0400

>Or cease even.
>
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>Network Engineer
>Omnicity, Inc.
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
>Of Josh Luthman
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:28 PM
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
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>Maybe a picture from a distance would have been better.
>
>People will never seize to amaze.
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>On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Jim Patient 
>mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com>> wrote:
> Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof
>but not for her front porch.
>
>Jim
>
>
>On 7/16/2010 2:17 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>> What's wrong with that ?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Jim Patientmailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com>>
>> Reply-To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> Date:  Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:17 -0500
>>
>>>   I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
>>> the trees...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Adam Kennedy]

Or cease even.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

Maybe a picture from a distance would have been better.

People will never seize to amaze.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Jim Patient 
mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com>> wrote:
 Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof
but not for her front porch.

Jim


On 7/16/2010 2:17 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
> What's wrong with that ?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Jim Patientmailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Date:  Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:17 -0500
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>>   I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
>> Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through
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[WISPA] Trango GigaPlus Experience?

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone with Experience on this units?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

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Maybe a picture from a distance would have been better.

People will never seize to amaze.

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>  Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof
> but not for her front porch.
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Jim Patient]

  Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof 
but not for her front porch.

Jim


On 7/16/2010 2:17 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
> What's wrong with that ?
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>> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Stuart Pierce]

What's wrong with that ?

-- Original Message --
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Date:  Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:17 -0500

>  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
>"Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Chris Hudson]

I've mounted J-poles like that, just not sideways! But it is good way to 
shoot under trees and what not.

Chris
- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh


> Whats not funny about that is I had an installer that mounted 10 customers 
> like that till I fired him.
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Jason Hensley]

So have I.  Here in the land of large full oak trees, same thing, sometimes
the only way to get under the trees, power lines, etc.  



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines.

Higher is not always better.
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh


>  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Steve Barnes]

Whats not funny about that is I had an installer that mounted 10 customers like 
that till I fired him.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:24 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
"Is there some other place you can mount it?".
Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through the 
trees...

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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've done that.  Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines.

Higher is not always better.
marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh


>  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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Re: [WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?

[Jon Auer]

We use Hitachi...
I've played with NexentaStor with good results.
NexentaStor: http://www.nexenta.com/
NexentaStor integrated with hardware: http://www.pogolinux.com/nexenta/

Note that I haven't tried either of these in a CCTV application, just
normal ISP data storage.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Rogelio  wrote:
> Since others here sometimes deal with CCTV as a wireless application,
> I was hoping for some insight on the best *simple* (no frills, really)
> raw storage solution for 100 - 500 TBs.
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> Right now, I've been looking at Hitachi, EMC, and Compellent (all
> fairly expensive). I also started looking at Dell's Equallogic line
> (looks very simple and straight forward). Others I've heard good
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Forbes Mercy]

I was wondering when the Friday Funnies were going to start!

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>I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
> "Is there some other place you can mount it?".
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[WISPA] Friday Laugh

[Jim Patient]

  I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam.
"Is there some other place you can mount it?".
Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through 
the trees...

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Re: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

[Forbes Mercy]

Yeah but one less thing to worry about while you're gone and it didn't 
hurt your equipment, sweet!  See you in St. Louie.

Forbes


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> Sheesh, I leave town and all of the big stuff happens!
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Re: [WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?

[Tom Sharples]

We use Overland snapservers for this sort of application. Not as easy to 
configure as IOmega (EMC)  but pretty indestructable, and well supported.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: [WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?


> Since others here sometimes deal with CCTV as a wireless application,
> I was hoping for some insight on the best *simple* (no frills, really)
> raw storage solution for 100 - 500 TBs.
>
> Right now, I've been looking at Hitachi, EMC, and Compellent (all
> fairly expensive). I also started looking at Dell's Equallogic line
> (looks very simple and straight forward). Others I've heard good
> things about include Pillar but haven't looked at their pricing yet.
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Re: [WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?

[Josh Luthman]

I can advise AGAINST a product -

http://www.datacore.com/products/prod_SANmelody.asp

On 7/16/10, Rogelio  wrote:
> Since others here sometimes deal with CCTV as a wireless application,
> I was hoping for some insight on the best *simple* (no frills, really)
> raw storage solution for 100 - 500 TBs.
>
> Right now, I've been looking at Hitachi, EMC, and Compellent (all
> fairly expensive). I also started looking at Dell's Equallogic line
> (looks very simple and straight forward). Others I've heard good
> things about include Pillar but haven't looked at their pricing yet.
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[WISPA] SAN recommendations for large CCTV projects?

[Rogelio]

Since others here sometimes deal with CCTV as a wireless application,
I was hoping for some insight on the best *simple* (no frills, really)
raw storage solution for 100 - 500 TBs.

Right now, I've been looking at Hitachi, EMC, and Compellent (all
fairly expensive). I also started looking at Dell's Equallogic line
(looks very simple and straight forward). Others I've heard good
things about include Pillar but haven't looked at their pricing yet.

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Re: [WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

[Josh Luthman]

Video has a preroll that doesn't work with adblock.

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> Sheesh, I leave town and all of the big stuff happens!
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[WISPA] OT, fire at Odessa

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Sheesh, I leave town and all of the big stuff happens!

3000 acres up in smoke in one afternoon!  wowsers

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[WISPA] Looking for business class service in Tyler, TX...

[Brad Belton]

I have a lead for a 5MB business class customer in Tyler, TX. off of the
South side of Loop 323.  Please contact me off list if interested.

Thank you,


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[WISPA] San Diego Whitespaces meeting

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Anyone else down here for the IEEE open forum this afternoon?

I'd love the chance to say hello.  It's at the Manchester Grand Hyatt.

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silosOne way to handle that (I often do this because 
I'm very afraid of heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good 
cable down to a nice play for the radios.

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish 
feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system 
you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.) 
anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but someone 
forgot to tell the radios that :-).

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin Wilson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos


 Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very 
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They 
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you 
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have 
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In 
otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up with a 
solution to get you over the dome.

  Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However, 
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in each 
time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  

  Justin
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

  How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

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  On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed  
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've 
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just 
be
> careful climbing those things!
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> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
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> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
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Re: [WISPA] RocketM5 PPS

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I would suggest that you join the Forum on ubnt.com 's website...do 
a search on it.. i believe Mike Ford said they can handle about 
19k...and someone else reported  their testing showed they could handle 
more..

Regards.

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> What is the max packets per second a RocketM5 can handle effectively?
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I want to say it was 20-30K/s

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Subject: [WISPA] RocketM5 PPS

What is the max packets per second a RocketM5 can handle effectively?

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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Justin Wilson]

Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
otherwords, you can¹t mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
with a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
each time because you can¹t climb to the top of the dome.

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From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:
> Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been
>> > on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
>> > being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
>> be
>> > careful climbing those things!
>> >
>> > Kurt Fankhauser
>> > WAVELINC
>> > P.O. Box 126
>> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> > 419-562-6405
>> > www.wavelinc.com 
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>> >
>> > I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
>> > concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
>> > above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
>> > the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
>> > also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
>> > This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
>> > past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
>> > than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
>> > also increase the covereage area.
>> > So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
>> > the dome?
>> >
>> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

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I agree with Mathew, we do about 6-8' trying to get 4 rings, but will 
accept 3 if that is all we can get.


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COLI Inc

On 7/16/2010 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:


We usually attach 6-8' to the silo, which gives you about 15' above 
and clears the dome nicely.


*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Scott Reed

*Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 8:04 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be 
screws, I guess.


One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome.  
How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do 
you get?


Bill Gaylord wrote:

We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the
hardware store.  I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4
of the steel rings.  I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was
concerned with the screws being able to come loose.  With hose clamps
around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose.  We have been doing
this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break.
Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue.
  
Bill Gaylord, President

COLI Inc.
  
On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
   


16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L

brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete

anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'

remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I

get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in

20' sections usually.

  


Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.

  


Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Shelby Broadband

502-722-9292

ch...@shelbybb.com  

http://www.shelbybb.com

  

  


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From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org    
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Behalf Of Scott Reed

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM

To: WISPA General List

Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

  


I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old

concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'

above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on

the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has

also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.

This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the

past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher

than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also

increase the covereage area.

So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above

the dome?

  


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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Mathew Howard]

We usually attach 6-8' to the silo, which gives you about 15' above and
clears the dome nicely.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be
screws, I guess.

One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome.
How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do
you get?

Bill Gaylord wrote: 

We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the 
hardware store.  I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4

of the steel rings.  I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was

concerned with the screws being able to come loose.  With hose clamps 
around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose.  We have been doing 
this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break.  
Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue.
 
Bill Gaylord, President
COLI Inc.
 
On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe
with L
brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads
(concrete
anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the
cap.  I
get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They
have it in
20' sections usually.
 
Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.
 
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
 
I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more
than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10'
pipe on
the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.
It has
also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as
well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in
the
past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul
higher
than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I
could also
increase the covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you
get above
the dome?
 
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Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

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How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
> been
> > on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> > being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
> be
> > careful climbing those things!
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Reed
> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
> >
> > I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> > concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> > above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> > the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> > also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> > This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> > past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> > than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> > also increase the covereage area.
> > So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> > the dome?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
>   

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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been
on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be
careful climbing those things!

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
also increase the covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
the dome?

-- 
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Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

Unfortunately at least one of the silos has no bands, so it will be 
screws, I guess.


One silo we did use a 21' pipe and it still does not clear the dome.  
How much pipe to attach to the silo, so how far above the concrete do 
you get?


Bill Gaylord wrote:
We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the 
hardware store.  I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 
of the steel rings.  I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was 
concerned with the screws being able to come loose.  With hose clamps 
around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose.  We have been doing 
this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break.  
Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue.


Bill Gaylord, President
COLI Inc.

On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L
brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete
anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I
get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in
20' sections usually.

Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also
increase the covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
the dome?

--
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Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Bill Gaylord]

We do the same thing, but we use the full 21' galvanized pipes from the 
hardware store.  I secure them with hose 2 hose clamps around at least 4 
of the steel rings.  I did not want to screw into the concrete, as I was 
concerned with the screws being able to come loose.  With hose clamps 
around the steel rings, nothing can wiggle loose.  We have been doing 
this for 5 years now and have yet to have a single hose clamp break.  
Hose clamps are also stainless steel, so rusting is not an issue.

Bill Gaylord, President
COLI Inc.

On 7/16/2010 8:08 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> 16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L
> brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete
> anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
> remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I
> get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in
> 20' sections usually.
>
> Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also
> increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x2241
> 1-260-827-2241
> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Chuck Hogg]

16' Schedule 40 Pipe.  I have 4 silos like this.  Attach pipe with L
brackets (Old ARC Antenna mounts) to the silo with RedHeads (concrete
anchors) into the concrete.  Push up pole, with usually about 6'
remaining (attached) on the silo and 8-10'  sticking above the cap.  I
get the pipe from a local fencing and hardware company.  They have it in
20' sections usually.

Used to us 30' push up poles, but they bend too easily.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could also
increase the covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
the dome?

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239




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[WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
also increase the covereage area.
So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
the dome?

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239



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Re: [WISPA] ISC DHCPD

[Bradley D. Thornton]

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I'm awake and at the helm for a few butch...

You wanna get an IRC channel?

On 7/15/2010 11:44 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> Is there by some crazy chance an expert with this software awake at this
> hour?  I need some quick (I hope it's quick) assistance getting a new
> configuration done.  I'm working on a shared-network configuration where
> some parameters are not being returned in the reply. 
> 

- -- 
Bradley D. Thornton
Manager Network Services
NorthTech Computer
TEL: +1.760.666.2703  (US)
TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK)
http://NorthTech.US

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