Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Robert West]

Just drive through any subdivision built before the 80's and you'll see LOTS
of old American Tower style TV tower just ripe for the picking.  No need to
buy, they will usually let you have it just for taking it down.  I've seen
on Craig's List where they advertise CHARGING 75 bucks to take it down.  Go
figure.

 

I do it for free and am happy to do it.

 

And as my boy Mike says.  The Cold Galvanizing Rustoleum makes em SHINE!

 

Ata boy, Mike!

 

Bob-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line.

That may be the best way.  Should be lots of old TV tower that we could get
for taking it down.  Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the side.
Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so should clear
the dome. 

Mike wrote: 

I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections.  I buy them and
stack them behind my barn.  I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged
base that telescopes to 45 feet or so.  I would think if you augered a hole
in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder.
Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help
you out.

 

Mike

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL.

Mike wrote: 

Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted the
post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna
higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from,
so we need to get above the dome.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights)
is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play
for the radios.

 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish
feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system
you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.)
anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but
someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).

 

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Justin Wilson   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
with a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  

Justin
-- 
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support






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From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top

Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Mike]

We are a ways apart.  I am in central Iowa.  I have had the best luck
augering or digging a hole and setting the end in the hole to keep it from
kicking out.  You don't have to go very deep.  Pour gravel around it to keep
water from sitting on the steel.

 

I pay $20.00 per stick and take it down for them. Or I will pay $30 if it's
not rusted and just sitting.  A case of Rustoleum cold galvanized can make
even an ancient one look new.

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line.

That may be the best way.  Should be lots of old TV tower that we could get
for taking it down.  Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the side.
Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so should clear
the dome. 

Mike wrote: 

I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections.  I buy them and
stack them behind my barn.  I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged
base that telescopes to 45 feet or so.  I would think if you augered a hole
in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder.
Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help
you out.

 

Mike

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL.

Mike wrote: 

Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted the
post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna
higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from,
so we need to get above the dome.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights)
is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play
for the radios.

 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish
feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system
you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.)
anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but
someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).

 

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Justin   Wilson 

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
with a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  

Justin
-- 
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support






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From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top 

Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

East central Indiana, I70 at the IN-OH state line.

That may be the best way.  Should be lots of old TV tower that we could 
get for taking it down.  Stand it up beside the silo and bolt it to the 
side.  Should be able to get 2 sections (20') above the concrete, so 
should clear the dome.


Mike wrote:


I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections.  I buy them 
and stack them behind my barn.  I recently bought this steel thing 
with a hinged base that telescopes to 45 feet or so.  I would think if 
you augered a hole in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could 
stabilize it against the ladder.  Where are you located (I'm too lazy 
today to figure out), maybe I can help you out.


 


Mike



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Scott Reed

*Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 


we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL.

Mike wrote:

Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 


Mike

 




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed

*Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted 
the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the 
antenna higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* 
coverage from, so we need to get above the dome.


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of 
heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down 
to a nice play for the radios.


 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 
50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills 
your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy 
rain, fog etc.) anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect 
these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).


 


marlon

 


- Original Message -

*From:* Justin Wilson 

*To:* WISPA General List 

*Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 


   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to
the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the
top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the
top.  No reason to.  So what you are left with is a ladder that
goes to where the dome starts.  You then have another 10 feet or
more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In otherwords,
you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up with
a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.
 However, maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to
bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of
the dome.  


Justin
-- 
Justin Wilson 

http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support




*From: *Josh Luthman 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
*To: *WISPA General List 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a
water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed
 wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary.
I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall
protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall
off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more
than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10'

Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Mike]

I am always on the lookout for derelict Rohn 25 sections.  I buy them and
stack them behind my barn.  I recently bought this steel thing with a hinged
base that telescopes to 45 feet or so.  I would think if you augered a hole
in the ground, planted a Rohn 25, you could stabilize it against the ladder.
Where are you located (I'm too lazy today to figure out), maybe I can help
you out.

 

Mike

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL.

Mike wrote: 

Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted the
post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna
higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from,
so we need to get above the dome.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights)
is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play
for the radios.

 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish
feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system
you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.)
anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but
someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).

 

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Justin   Wilson 

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
with a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  

Justin
-- 
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support





  _  


From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
>

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239





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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

we have discussed hiring a helicopter to fly upside down at 40' AGL.

Mike wrote:


Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 


Mike

 




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Scott Reed

*Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted 
the post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the 
antenna higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* 
coverage from, so we need to get above the dome.


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of 
heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down 
to a nice play for the radios.


 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 
50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills 
your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy 
rain, fog etc.) anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect 
these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).


 


marlon

 


- Original Message -

*From:* Justin Wilson 

*To:* WISPA General List 

*Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 


   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to
the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the
top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the
top.  No reason to.  So what you are left with is a ladder that
goes to where the dome starts.  You then have another 10 feet or
more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In otherwords,
you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up with
a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.
 However, maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to
bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of
the dome.  


Justin
-- 
Justin Wilson 

http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support



*From: *Josh Luthman 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
*To: *WISPA General List 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a
water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed
 wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary.
I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall
protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall
off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more
than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.
 It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul
higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get
above
> the dome?
>
>

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
Cell: 260-273-7239





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Re: [WISPA] Trango Fox 5580 and 5300 SUs For Sale

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Curious, what PtMP platform are you using to replace Trango?

-Paul

On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Steven McGehee wrote:

> Apologies if this is the wrong outlet to send this to, but would anyone be 
> interested in purchasing used Trango Fox M5580 (5.8Ghz) and/or Trango 5300 
> (5.3Ghz) subscriber units (SUs)? I've got a ton of these to sell. Please 
> reply off-list.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I've got the server in production now. Everything is a bit overkill (except the 
CPU, but it's ok). 1.6GHz Atom (dual core, HT off), 2GB of RAM and dual 16GB 
high speed CF cards (RAID-1 in a 2.5" SATA enclosure).

The UM interface is still not instantaneous, but it is improved. When it hits 
the CPU hard (which it does), it only pulls 50% (one core, would only hit 25% 
when HT was enabled in the BIOS and the RouterOS was showing 4 cores). I see 
the CPU perk above 50% during those times, telling me that the SMP support it 
doing it's job and the other core is being used for other tasks.

RAM and storage usage is minimal. If anyone else is wanting to try something 
similar, I'd recommend throwing more CPU at it. This board made for a clean, 
cheap and easy solution though.

-Paul

On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know 
> that box would be an improvement over the RB anything.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a 
> dedicated User Manager box?
> 
> Something like this:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
> 
> -Paul
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
> > You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
> > reading to "disk".  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
> > RB1000.
> >
> > Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
> > other RouterOS device, too.
> >
> > As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
> > move just about everything.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> >> I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
> >> install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
> >>
> >> So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There 
> >> is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where 
> >> I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
> >> earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the 
> >> RAM. Perhaps that might help...
> >>
> >> I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF 
> >> card instead?
> >>
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
> >>> setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
>  You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
>  database like mysql.
> 
>  David Blood
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
> >
> > We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
> > for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
> > slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
> > months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
> > into our current customer base.
> >
> > I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
> > just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
> > on x86 hardware?
> >
> > Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
> > to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
> >
> > -Paul
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Mike]

Poulon Pro 20 inch chainsaws are on sale at Northern; around $100.

 

Mike

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted the
post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna
higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage from,
so we need to get above the dome.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of heights)
is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down to a nice play
for the radios.

 

LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 50ish
feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills your system
you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy rain, fog etc.)
anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect these bands but
someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).

 

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Justin   Wilson 

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

 

   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the very
top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the dome. They
never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason to.  So what you
are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome starts.  You then have
another 10 feet or more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In
otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up
with a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.  However,
maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring that lift in
each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  

Justin
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From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've
been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just
be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above
> the dome?
>
>

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GAB Midwest
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

For at least one of them the dome is 15' or more high.
I may be able to find a picture to post Wednesday.

Justin Wilson wrote:
   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to the 
very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the top of the 
dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the top.  No reason 
to.  So what you are left with is a ladder that goes to where the dome 
starts.  You then have another 10 feet or more to be able to get over 
the top of the dome.  In otherwords, you can't mount at the top of the 
dome.  You have to come up with a solution to get you over the dome.


Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff. 
 However, maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to bring 
that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of the dome.  


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*From: *Josh Luthman 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
*To: *WISPA General List 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
 wrote:


Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary.
I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall
protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall
off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more
than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10' pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back" side.
 It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul
higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get
above
> the dome?
>
>

--
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Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

[Scott Reed]

Yep, we do the radios at the bottom on these.  Part of what prompted the 
post is that the trees grew this spring and we need to the the antenna 
higher.  And then we have those few that we need to get 360* coverage 
from, so we need to get above the dome.


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
One way to handle that (I often do this because I'm very afraid of 
heights) is to mount the antennas at the top then run good cable down 
to a nice play for the radios.
 
LMR 600 only looses 3 or 4 dB per hundred feet.  For runs of less than 
50ish feet I'll usually just use LMR 400.  If 3 dB of cable loss kills 
your system you'll be fighting it every time something changes (heavy 
rain, fog etc.) anyway.  Yeah I know weather isn't supposed to affect 
these bands but someone forgot to tell the radios that :-).
 
marlon
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Justin Wilson 
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:31 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

   Most silos like scott is dealing with have no ladder going to
the very top. Imagine a domed water tower with no ladder to the
top of the dome. They never were designed to have to climb to the
top.  No reason to.  So what you are left with is a ladder that
goes to where the dome starts.  You then have another 10 feet or
more to be able to get over the top of the dome.  In otherwords,
you can't mount at the top of the dome.  You have to come up with
a solution to get you over the dome.

Sure, you could bring in a lift or crane and mount stuff.
 However, maintenance and repair become the issue.  You have to
bring that lift in each time because you can't climb to the top of
the dome.  


Justin
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http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support



*From: *Josh Luthman 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:17 -0400
*To: *WISPA General List 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos

How is that any different then any other tower?  Especially a
water tower.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed
 wrote:

Especially the one with an open ladder, no cage.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty
scary. I've been
> on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall
protection cage
> being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to
fall off. Just be
> careful climbing those things!
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
>
> I have a couple of POPs that are silos.  Several of them are old
> concrete silos with metal domes.  The top of the dome is more
than 10'
> above the top of the concrete.  I have been mounting with 10'
pipe on
> the ladder side and not servicing customers on the "back"
side.  It has
> also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as
well.
> This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than
in the
> past.  I have a couple of silos that I need to get the
backhaul higher
> than the 10' mast will allow.  If I can get above the dome, I
could
> also increase the covereage area.
> So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you
get above
> the dome?
>
>

--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
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